Championship Weekend: A Rooters Guide

Submitted by skegemogpoint on November 29th, 2021 at 11:42 AM

Preface to below...must. beat, Iowa.

Big 12 Championship.  #9 Baylor v #5 Oklahoma State.  Noon, ABC. Not super important to Michigan but would be nice to see OKST win so that they gain spot in playoff to Notre Dame's detriment. I feel less confident that Baylor would leapfrog the Irish, Let's go Cowboys!

SEC Championship game. 4pm on CBSReally need for consensus #1 UGA to eliminate #3 Alabama from contention. If Georgia doesn't beat Bama in ATL now, it's fair to question whether anyone else will. Go Dawgs.

American Conf Championship 4pm, ABC. #4 Cincinnati versus #16 Houston.  Cougars have a much improved defense and Holgorsen's offenses are always productive,  Really feel like this is a key game and has big implications for Michigan - a Bearcat win sets up a likely playoff matchup with UM in the Cotton Bowl. 

Fallout from above (this is a virtual certainty):

Georgia v OKST in Orange bowl

Michigan v Cincy in Cotton Bowl

 

mGrowOld

November 29th, 2021 at 11:52 AM ^

I appreciate your insight here OP but candidly I will not give two shits on what happens before our game Saturday night.  

My rooting interest consists of one game and one game only.  Ours.

BobbyRizigliana

November 29th, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^

"If Georgia doesn't beat Bama in ATL now, it's fair to question whether anyone else will." 

I don't understand this logic. I would say it the other way. If Bama doesn't beat Georgia, will anyone?

Erik_in_Dayton

November 29th, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^

Here's a question: let's say Michigan*, Georgia, Baylor, and Houston all win.  The playoff teams are now Georgia, Michigan, ND, and...who?  Would Bama still be the 4th team if they give UGA a good game? 

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EDIT: *So that we are not smitten by the sports gods, I should note that I am not assuming a Michigan victory.  This is merely a thought experiment, oh wrathful ones!

Kilgore Trout

November 29th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^

I think your contenders in that situation are...

Baylor - 11-2 - Big 12 Champ

Oregon (if they beat Utah) - 11-2 - Pac 12 Champ

Alabama - 11-2 - no conf champ

OSU - 10-2 - no conf champ

Ole Miss - 10-2 - no conf champ

MSU - 10-2 - no conf champ

Houston 12-1 - AAC champ

Cinci 12-1 - no conf champ

 

I think it would probably be a tough call between Alabama and Oregon. Seems like it would be weird to make Bama the 4 and have them play Georgia again, but I don't know what else they'd do.

SeattleWolverine

November 29th, 2021 at 12:23 PM ^

I wouldn't rule out Houston. Preserves the no two loss team precedent, quiets talk about it being P5 only, and 12-1 with a win over Cincinnati is a solid resume. Past that I think if they let in Alabama off of a loss to GA with 2 losses and seeing that they really should have lost by Georgia it is a bad look for the committee. Oregon at least can offer the conference championship. Nice to see teams rewarded for going on the road to play tough non-conference games too. 

Monk

November 29th, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^

I don't think it will be that tough a call, Alabama would get the 4 pretty easily, they could swap Ala and ND to avoid a rematch, which I think the ncaa basketball committed tries to do in the early rounds. So you'd have GA-ND and UM (if they win of course) and Alabama.  The metrics all favor Alabama in this and I'm guessing they'd still be ahead of Oregon, right now Oregon is 20 in fpi, 16 in Sagarin.  The hockey committee explicitly seeds so that two teams from the same conference don't meet in the first round, I could see cfp committee doing the same thing.

M_Born M_Believer

November 29th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^

First of all, I with MGrowOld.  The ONLY game I am interested in kicks off at 8PM and I will be there with swag on cheering like a Mother.......er.

But you do bring up an interesting scenario..... Does Oregon get a look if they can beat Utah (doubt it but lets play along....)?

Does Cincy still get in with that scenario (again, it would most likely depend on how their game played out)?

Do the Buckeyes get some consideration (I think no, but now that we are dipping into 2 loss teams....)?

Does Bama steal the last spot?

Given your scenario, I believe how the final games were played out would be a huge factor in the decision process......

I actually believe that Bama would be eliminated from the conversation early on because as the pending 4 seed, it would be a huge dick move to ask the #1 seed team to beat a good team twice.  In other words....Bama you had your shot and loss.  Lets give someone else a chance.....

Padog

November 29th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^

This has got to be what the Committee is rooting for. They get to leave Cincinnati out and keep Bama in with nobody able to complain. Michigan vs. Notre Dame is a dream and it guarantees a huge market in the Championship. 

If it's Georgia vs. Oklahoma State and Michigan vs. Cincinnati I think the ratings would be a little underwhelming. 

carolina blue

November 29th, 2021 at 12:08 PM ^

If Oregon can beat up on Utah, they could get a shot. But you’re asking for the #3, 4, & 5 teams all to lose. I find that highly unlikely. That said, I don’t see Bama getting a chance with 2 losses and no conf title. I really think if all of those three lose, it brings Oregon into the mix of potential candidates.  It’s a mess I certainly wouldn’t want to sort out. 

Benoit Balls

November 29th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^

Well, in that case, you'd have OSU, Bama, Ole Miss, Baylor and Oregon all with 2 losses.

Assuming Oregon beats Utah, Id= say it'd come down to Baylor or Oregon as both would be conference champs

Baylor and Oregon had similar seasons. Both lost a close game to an unranked team (Baylor 30-28 vs TCU, Oregon 31-24 to Stanford in OT), and have a chance to avenge their second loss this week in the Conference Championship games.  

In that case, I think its Baylor.  OkSt > Utah, and TCU > Stanford.  Also beat Oklahoma, and I think the Big 12 was a*little* bit better than the Pac 12 top to bottom this year

oakapple

November 29th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^

In your scenario, I think Baylor likely gets the fourth spot. The Committee is supposed to give an extra bump to conference champs. Baylor would have avenged one of their two losses, and the other was by 2 points on the road @TCU.

But it's a close call and I would not be shocked if Alabama got in, contingent upon all of your assumptions proving true.

yossarians tree

November 29th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

I think the committee is likely looking for a reason to get fresh blood in the playoff, and keeping a two-loss Alabama out is something I think they would readily do. People are sick of the same teams every year. A one-loss Big 12 champion should be in the playoff ahead of any two-loss team as well as a one-loss Notre Dame that doesn't have the balls to play a conference schedule and doesn't have to play a conference championship game.

ESNY

November 29th, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^

In my opinion, I would lean Oregon over Baylor and both over OSU and Bama. I don't think any one-loss G5 team has any chance of making the top 4.

Best argument:

Oregon - Pac 12 Champ, Big out of conference game and road win which is also the best win of the group [OSU] and win over another top 20 team [Utah]

Baylor - Big 12 Champ, three top 20 wins [Baylor, Ok and Ok State]

OSU - One top 20 win [MSU], probably looked the best week in and week out (ex last week - GO BLUE!)

Alabama - One top 20 win [Ole Miss], made it to conf. championship but lost to best  one loss to top team and one to a bad team that is over-ranked [A&M])

Biggest drawbacks:

Oregon - Lost to Stanford

Baylor - OOC is a joke, TCU loss is 2nd only to Stanford as bad losses

OSU - Didn't make conf. championship game, only one top 20 win

Bama -  Lost to a four-loss (yet still somehow ranked) A&M team, OOC schedule isn't great, looked pretty average in a few games this year. 

JarrettL

November 29th, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^

Go Blue! Beat Iowa! I don't give a shit about the other teams playing this weekend. Been waiting for a long time to root for the Maize and Blue in the B1G Championship Game.

However, here is a thought. I'm tired of hearing about the SEC and their teams getting a nod from whatever system we are using choose which teams get a shot at the championship. 

Michigan lost a close game to Ohio St on the road in 2006. The voters said we can't have a team in the BCS game that didn't win their conference. There would be no rematch when many fans and commentators were calling for it. So, Florida gets the shot. A few years later Alabama and LSU had a rematch for the championship. The game was terrible.

Fast forward to 2016. Michigan loses again to Ohio St in a close game. Michigan also lost to Iowa at night on the road in a close game that season. The committee said they can't make it in with 2 loses. Now in 2021 we have people talking about Alabama possibly making it in with 2 loses and no conference championship. They have struggled all season. 

bacon1431

November 29th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^

I don't see OK State finishing 4th if they beat Baylor. If they beat Baylor, they'll jump Cincy IMO. OK State would have two wins over Baylor, a win over Oklahoma, plus wins over Kansas St and WVU. Only loss is to a respectable Iowa St team. Cincy might be undefeated but they only have two wins against power conference competition and one of those teams went winless in their conference. They beat ND, which is a big win. But their next biggest wins would be SMU and Houston. Neither of which are impressive and will be ranked. 

I think it would be Georgia, Michigan, Ok State, then Cincinnati. They've only got Cincinnati where they are because the rest of the power conference teams keep losing. Ok State would have a more impressive resume even with the one loss. 

MightyMatt13

November 29th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^

100% agree with you. On top of your logic, I also believe the committee would prefer Cinci is fed to Georgia if they have to put them in.

Baylor beating OkSt is in our best interest - it opens the debate up for ND or the best 2 loss team, but in either case it would be very difficult for Cinci to not secure the #3 seed.

In order of importance: Michigan W, Georgia W, Cinci W, Baylor W

Midukman

November 29th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^

This. You know dam well that the committee is grinding their teeth even having Cincy at 4. Now throw in the sec slappy side of things and the money cannon that a Michigan Georgia natty would bring and they’ll use the bearcats as a pawn.  If Cincy gets in it’ll bet at 4. Idgaf, just beat Iowa!

Midukman

November 29th, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^

First off beat Iowa and let’s not assume that’s a given.
 

i don’t want Georgia in the semi finals. They’re the mirror image as us with better recruiting. They can be beat but I don’t wanna find out game 1. Bama looks beatable and I haven’t watched OSU enough to know our chances, but it sure sounds a hell of a lot better than playing Georgia. 

stephenrjking

November 29th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^

I somewhat echo MGrowOld's focus on the one game that matters--win and we're in--but, for the first time this year, I feel like I can really eyeball the larger implications of what happens and enjoy it. And, for our purposes, IF we win, chalk results are good. Because I like the playoff mix the way it is, with Bama and OSU well behind deserving but beatable candidates. 

A Bama win probably puts us in a semifinal with Georgia, which I'd prefer to avoid. A Georgia win without huge chaos downballot draws in Cincy and either Oklahoma State or Notre Dame. But if those two teams lose then you're starting to look at chaos candidate teams with two losses. And one of those could be OSU, which I don't want to see make the playoff even if they get annihilated by Georgia, because I want our win to keep them out. It'd be them or Baylor or Oregon or Bama, I guess (behind Notre Dame, whose season is finished) and I'd rather not chance it. Cincinnati beating Houston eliminates such a team from a playoff berth. 

mGrowOld

November 29th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^

For me the gametime means everything.  If we were one of the earlier games (and we won) I'd absolutely care who won what games that followed us.  But because we are the last game, (and because I'm superstious as heck), I cant bring myself mentally to root for any outcome as that would presuppose a Michigan victory that hasnt happend yet.

I guess in some wierd way I'm like WD on that front.  I need 100% focus on OUR game, the game that hasnt played yet, that day.  I wont enjoy a thing that happens before 8:00p - those games are just time-fillers to keep me from worrying about THE game that day.

MightyMatt13

November 29th, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^

This is fun. The team needs to play like Iowa is the most important game of their lives, we're allowed to watch the earlier conference games and fantasize the best possible path.

Relax, embrace it and enjoy the ride.

bronxblue

November 29th, 2021 at 12:15 PM ^

UM's gotta take care of Iowa first, but count me in to facing a failed OSU HC who might be not-so-secretly negotiating a contract to coach somewhere else.

JHumich

November 29th, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^

I actually expect CFP standings tomorrow to be

1. GA
2. Mich
3. OkSt
4. Cincy

I don't care about Notre Dame, OkSt, Baylor, or Cincy, because those aren't the teams that matter to us.

My focus is that I don't want to avoid GA in the first round. I'd rather have a month to gameplan and practice our win against them, and then the shorter amount of time for whoever the lesser opponent is.

Right now, I think we beat everybody. It just sets up better if we have more prep time for Georgia. I just don't know how we get there without GA losing. We certainly aren't dropping to 4. As long as the team itself doesn't take Iowa as a foregone conclusion, I reserve my right as a fan to assume that we are going to beat them.

frodly

November 29th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

I care about one game and care a little about the Georgia-Alabama game, but that is it. I'd prefer Georgia win, because I want to avoid them in the semi-final. I know we'd have to beat them to be champions, but I want that to be in the title game, not before. Otherwise, I think we'd have a very good chance at beating every other team in the semi-final, so all I'm worried about is beating Iowa.

Ali G Bomaye

November 29th, 2021 at 12:34 PM ^

Assuming that we beat Iowa (not because that's a guarantee by any means, but because if we don't, none of this matters), we will probably be the #2 seed regardless of other results.

I see the "decision tree" of other results as follows:

  • Georgia is definitely in the playoff no matter what. They're the #1 seed if they win the SEC, and the #3 or #4 seed if they lose (in which case Alabama would likely rise to #1).
  • If Cincinnati beats Houston in the AAC Championship, Cincinnati would probably be #3, setting up a first-round matchup with Michigan. The only way Cincinnati wouldn't be #3 is if UGA loses and the committee decides to keep them above Cincinnati at #3, with Cincinnati at #4.
  • If Cincinnati loses the AAC Championship, they're out.
    • In that case, if UGA wins then ND would almost definitely make the playoff, making the playoff Georgia, Michigan, ND, and Oklahoma State, and setting up a likely first-round matchup of #2 Michigan vs. #3 Notre Dame.
    • If UGA loses, then the playoff would likely be Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, and ND (unless they get jumped by Oklahoma State), in which case Georgia would probably be #3

Since we'll definitely be in the #2-#3 game if we make the playoff, our potential opponents are:

  • UGA, if UGA loses and either the committee keeps them above Cincinnati or Cincinnati also loses. This might be the worst-case scenario for our first-round matchup. UGA is a beast (they've won each of their past 11 games by 17+ points) and would likely be favored by a TD or more against Michigan.
  • Cincinnati, if Cincinnati and UGA both win. I feel good about a potential first-round matchup with Cincinnati - they're a good team, but have had some close calls against mediocre AAC teams. Looking at their schedule, they've been roughly as impressive against their relatively mediocre schedule as Michigan has against its significantly better schedule.
  • Notre Dame, if UGA wins and Cincinnati loses and either Baylor beats OKSt or OKSt doesn't win impressively. This matchup would be great, because we aren't scheduled to play ND until 2033. ND is 11-1, but has played an almost comically bad schedule. Only 3 of their 12 opponents have winning records: 8-4 Wisconsin, 8-4 Purdue, and Cincinnati, who beat ND in South Bend. Who knows how this would go, but it would be fun.
  • Oklahoma State, if UGA wins, Cincinnati loses, and OKSt beats Baylor impressively enough to jump over ND. Oklahoma State is good, but is probably the weakest potential opponent we could face.

Personally, this weekend I'm rooting for:

  • Georgia, both to knock out Alabama and so we don't have to play them in the first round;
  • Cincinnati, because it would be fun for a G5 team to make the playoff and they could knock out Notre Dame;
  • Oklahoma State to absolutely crush Baylor and leapfrog ND; and
  • Michigan, of course.

lunchboxthegoat

November 29th, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^

You don't need any rooting interests outside of Michigan. Win and we're in. Its that simple. 

They will not pass up a name brand, conference champ with only 1 loss on the road by 1 score to a highly ranked bitter rival.

Not a chance in a hell. 

BuddhaBlue

November 29th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

I imagine we'd want scenarios where UM wins (so we'd be #2) and plays Cincinnati, ND or OK State as #3 (in that order). There is a scenario where we play UGA (if Bama beats them and takes #1) which I'd really rather not

Oregon and Baylor are in the mix too but I don't think there is a scenario where they would be #3 (because Cincinnati or ND)