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joe got a ton of credit for

joe got a ton of credit for taking prince in the 20's (and okur in the second round of that same draft). he probably gets the right amount of respect for drafting stuckey.

drummond, monroe, and knight were all obvious picks. one might have said the same about burke, but....

really glad to see trey and

really glad to see trey and tim doing so well. i expected big things but they are far exceeding them.

it is good for the program to have established nba talent, but one does have to wonder if the talent on last year's squad was better than given credit... not doubting beilien but i thought he run said more about his genius, but maybe we just had a damn good backcourt. or both.

so sick of dumars. i would have bought league pass to see trey on the pistons.

addidas payed millions more

addidas payed millions more than nike, enough for the past regime  to go with them. the new regime will be moving us back to nike.

UA doesnt support all UM sports, which makes it a non-starter.

 

<--- in the know.

i was hoping jim harbaugh

i was hoping jim harbaugh would slap him around again before he got canned.

the guy was a mediocre coach on his best days, a complete bafoon always.

the economics of baseball are

the economics of baseball are changing, big time. revenue sharing, more tv money for the national and local contracts (by factors of 2x's and 3x's). this contract, and this offseason, is crazy in comparison of past years, but might be reasonable compared with future years.

i like our platoon in left, but i did hear the good argument that we may have wanted choo after this season, and next year the fa market for OF will be weak.

all in all, i am content with this offseason. the tigers never reached their potential last year, and i think we may be worse on paper this year but i bet we win more games, and our ws odds should be about the same. so to slim down the payrole and accomplish that is great gm'ing.

one critique is the fister trade. no one seems to like it. in hindsight, i wish we have traded fister to boston for iglesias rather than the deal that was made (and kept garcia). seems like a package could have been made, and garcia would have made the choo debate a non starter. 

 

you keep bring up trey's

you keep bring up trey's injury like  he's greg oden. he missed 8 games. he was healthy his entire michigan career. its a non factor in a year where the pistons are conetending for nothing.

you getting so emotional over people defending a michigan folk hero makes me think you are posting on the wrong board.

the pistons have been

the pistons have been irrelivent for 5 years but they couldnt have survived trey missing a handful of games? what planet are you living on?

the burke pick is, was, and will always be unpopular. 

i dont know what knight has to do with this, since he was traded anyway.

umumum is right, you are truly puzzling.

im not guru but this kid

im not guru but this kid seems like a better kid than you get in most classes, the kind of kid that buys a coach on shaky ground more time...

answer to op: one more than

answer to op: one more than he is gonna get.

couldnt happen to less classy individual. seemed like a sharp guy, but not as smart as he thought he was. which is as bad as being dumb sometimes.

some of you really need to

some of you really need to chill out.

this wasnt a moral victory. thats not where this team is. it was a step in the right direction. 

beyond robinson, i think we will be stuck in the mud until walton gets better control of the offense. right now, we rely on one or two guys going off, but rarely does it feel like a team playing together (like the title run last year). but the potential is there, big time. and i love having  a coach i 100% trust to get us there. i dont mean to blame walton, either. i dont see reason for blame at all after this game. taking the #1 team to the wire really isnt so bad.

im guessing the people sour about this loss werent around in the dark ages. this season has been a ton of fun to watch, and its going to get even better. i think this team is really close to getting there. 

i was thinking about when he

i was thinking about when he grabbed lewan and schoefeild.

i don't personally know devin, obviously, but from a distance he strikes me as someone who could come off the better for going through a little hell - and i think this season qualifies as that.

pretty frustrated. the

pretty frustrated. the coaching staff lost me in penn state....

but it also gets old whining about the coaching. its the easiest scape goat.  as far back as the early 2000's i remember people saying it was time for lloyd to move on, and it only got worse till he finally did. 

some people wanted rodriguez gone before he even coached a game.

now its hoke's turn. firing someone doesnt automatically fix a problem. telling some or all of the coaches to take a hike would feal good in the short term but im more worried about beating osu and (sigh) msu more than once in a while.

to me, it looked like this team had a lot of youth, and lacked on field leaders. devin wasn't quite that this year. but after this season, i think he might be one next year. with that, hopefully a stouter O-line, bigger threat recievers, improved running backs, and what could be a great defense, this team could turn a corner next year.

so frustrated hard to make a

so frustrated hard to make a rational prediction. its really going to suck losing to OSU and MSU yet again, but seems inevitable.

what pisses me off is hokes "this was a shitty season" speach he made last year. this year was 10x worse. was he just thinking out loud or do his words mean anything? because if they were more than words you'd think we'd see some accountability in action.

right now i'm feeling like hoke and co are all talk. "this is michigan fergodsakes" doesn't seem to mean so much 3 years later.

pretty bad sign when one team

pretty bad sign when one team dominates the second half of a game tied at halftime.

if you told me schwartz won

if you told me schwartz won some sort of madden tournament to get his job i'd believe it. he's got a fan's mentality coaching an nfl team. if he could strip 60% of his emotion, he'd probably be a good coach. too bad that wont happen till he gets fired.

turning down 2 field goals is the story of the game, imo.

i am of the mindset that 2014

i am of the mindset that 2014 is B1G championship or bust. unless we are decimated by injuries, anything less is unacceptable, and it will be time to restart. the schedule wont be favorable, but the team should have no excuses with a roster full of talented upperclassman, most of whom will be brady's recruits.

 

we will have to win at nd, sparty, and osu (how did that happen to our schedule?), but imo, falling to 1-3 to either of sparty or the buckeyes in and of itself is nearly enough for dismissal. its a tough proposition, but when this regime served up shit sandwiches back to back years it is fair.

if hoke wants borges, funk, whoever - that is fine. but it should be his job on the line.

edit: at northwestern too. wow.

nice perspective for those of

nice perspective for those of us a little gloomy about stuff that doesnt matter at all.

very glad to see this milestone for him. hopefully he enjoys it.

 

I don't hate Borges like

I don't hate Borges like some. The book is out on our offense. O line is porous, FItz can't pass block. Devin is majorly rattled. No playmakers to bail him out.

Granted, he hasn't fixed the problem, but not sure there is a fix this year. The high water mark of the year was beating a fringe ranked team, who would certainly beat us if it were in ND or even if they played us now.

Terrible season. So much worse than last year. Strike 2 for Hoke. Next season is everything for him.

so happy its not gene lamont

so happy its not gene lamont or dusty baker.

 

i would have been happy with larussa (never seemed likely), gardenhire, or ausmus.

 

ausmus is obviously the riskiest, but also boldest. i dont think managing ego's is too big of a deal. cabrarra, hunter, martinez, scherzer, and verlander are team first guys. i'd say prince too, but he was pretty moody this year and a more delicate situation. the secondary guys might be the tougher to manager.

 

dombrowski certainly gets the benefit of the doubt from me.

fate?

Capture

sending in shane rather than

sending in shane rather than taking a TO cost us a crucial down and maybe 4 pts.

very bad night for the coaches.

devin is good at picking up

devin is good at picking up globs of yards. settling for a 41 yard attempt without any real attempt to improve field position was a stupid decision.

coaches gave away OT #1. if

coaches gave away OT #1. if it werent for recruiting i might be pretty sour on these coaches.

Can't he get someone to take

Can't he get someone to take the test for him?
-SEC

 


thought he looked

 

thought he looked better than woolfolk, who didnt seem to be playing well. better than avery too. coaches must have thought so, as well, since he stayed out there after floyd came back.

dont think he took anyone's starting spot right away, but i think we have a new regular on the defense.

he honestly couldnt have played better for his first real action.

interested in this too, even

interested in this too, even though its probably not going to end in anything.

selling a good you own doesnt = income, but if the items were the schools and then his, the transfer in ownership should technically have been income as well, right?

for example, winning the championship ring was taxable income if he was making above the minimimum reportable.

hopefully that stays true.

hopefully that stays true. wont hold it against him if it doesnt, though. hopefully a nba lockout talk heats up and the decision becomes alot simpler for him.

the play of the game, to me, was the play after nolan smith broke hardaways ankles. morris took the ball down the court, posted smith up, and took him to school. awesome play, and way to have his backcourt mate's back.\

 

 

 

 

this feels imminent. if we

this feels imminent. if we dont conclude the meeting with les as coach tomorrow (or seems likelier tonight) it would be very odd.

i have alot of reservations but its far from a disaster.

he's proven he can win with other people's talent. and combine the 2011 schedule with les's luck and we very well could be the it story of 2011.

the wins look nice, but

the wins look nice, but consider that NC was with saban's players. that before the second half of this season, the fire les contingent at LSU had been very loud since about the year after he won the championship. that many people think lsu wins despite his coaching, not because of it.

his on the field stuff is questionable, but off the field is not: he's got more than one closet full of skeletons. dicking over 18 year olds is wrong. bringing those sanctions on LSU should make his hiring a non starter alone. the negative recruiting against carr means we're unlikely to have a united program... i could have sworn that was an issue at one point... and then theres that rumor about les and moeller's wife.

if les is the hire, fine. ceratinly not my first choice but i'd support the program still and hope for the best. i just would prefer not to have to hold my nose while cheering on the team.

if not gruden, maybe tirico?

if not gruden, maybe tirico?

he allegedly just turned down

he allegedly just turned down 7 per from miami. but miami aint no michigan! err... we can hope anyway.

maybe those interviews he did with the top qbs' in last year's draft gave him the college football bug.

no doubt it'd be awesome. just not going to get my hopes up on this one.

the problem with hoke is that

the problem with hoke is that its an underwhelming hire.

had brandon sold it, maybe had some people in the press write some stories lauding him. hired him early so it didnt look like we're settling like he's left over pizza. maybe then it would have worked.

personally, from what i've gathered, i think hoke could be a good hire. but if we learned one thing from the rodriguez era its that the support of the extended UM familly is necessary to success. i get the sense hoke would be a tough sell.

one thing is for sure, i bet michigan is regretting adding SDSU to start next year's schedule.

craig james and whitlock (of

craig james and whitlock (of course) rave about hoke.

not the sexiest pick ever but i believe coaches improve just as players do. i think his previous few years are exceptional. and you have to atleast appreciate a guy who wants to be here, and not just for the $$.

mortensen is saying "it looks

mortensen is saying "it looks like he's staying at stanford". but what does "looks like" mean?

its my fault for sleuthing so much, but modern journalism is awful. 

whitlock says it looks like harbaugh is taking a 6 figure deal to coach at ball state. seems just as reasonable.

coaching luck one more year makes sense, but missing out at michigan, seemingly the most logical nfl spot (49ers), and a godfather offer from miami does not. hard to imagine harbaugh's stock being any higher. sticking around stanford for just one more year seems to be the dumbest of all possible choices he could make. 

as of a couple hours ago, dan

as of a couple hours ago, dan lebatard was reporting harbaugh to the dolphins was all but a done deal. as of an hour ago, that is no longer true.

right now, the top 3 favorites (us, san francisco, and miami) are probably all thinking they've struck out on him. stanford is obviously still in play as well, but the above tells me that our chances are atleast just a little more alive than is conventional wisdom.

harbaugh's in a position to call the shots. he's listened to the offers, now he can decide. i wont be surprised if he picks any one of those four destinations. 

these numbers are all

these numbers are all rumored, but i heard harbaugh wanted 7 million from 49ers, and that dolphins offered 7 million to gruden. i guess you could assume they would offer harbaugh the same or even the 8 million you mentioned.

if 49ers really only offered him 5 per, i think michigan's hopes would be alive. all in, we paid RR an average of 4.17 per year. i think we could come up with an offer very competitive to 5/25, maybe something like 7/30.

its all just pure conjecture, but i think all we can do is hope our offer is comparable to what the nfl, and harbaugh decides that being equal he'd just as soon coach in ann arbor.

people need to think

people need to think logically about this. the most brandon has said was today at the conference, and as far as i can tell harbaugh has been even quieter.

john harbaugh has been speculating, but has he really talked to jim about michigan vs 49ers? and its cool that john can just tell whoever stuff jim is saying absolutely nothing to anyone else about? i dont think so.

my guess is 99.99999999999% of what we hear is just guesses reverberating off each other.

if you guess harbaugh wont come, youre just guessing. but if i quote you as saying he wont come, i can list you as my source. 

if harbaugh said "i'd coach there for free", like hoke, it wouldnt have to be this way. but since he's the hot name looking for big money, it probably couldnt be any other way.

if brandon really had been sitting on his hands for the last month he deserves to join rodriguez. but i dont think that is at all what he's been doing.

not just negotiations between

not just negotiations between 49ers and harbaugh, but perhaps between him and brandon as well.

no one knows whats happened so far with harbaugh. maybe it got to the point where they talked money and the sides are just far apart.

harbaugh knows the job at michigan is his if he wants it (one would think, anyway), so he can afford to play coy. perhaps he's just trying to get michigan to up the $$$.

one can hope, anyway.

harbaugh supposedly will meet

harbaugh supposedly will meet with the 49ers today. the picture should be alot clearer within the next day or so.

i realize the tea leaves dont all point at michigan, but sometimes negotiations get tough.

Her?

Her?

Her?

similar story happened to my

similar story happened to my mom's dog monday.

she let him out on a leash in the morning, suddenly she hears horrific barking. 2 pitbulls are on him trying to rip his face off.

somehow, my mom amazingly got the bulls off him, got my dog inside, without even getting injured. the vet had to basically sew my dogs face back on, 500 dollars in vet bills (plenty more to come), and my mom's dog gets to be miserable for 2 weeks with a drainage pipe in his face and a lampshade on his neck. not to mention the social damage done (he was always nervous before this, now it will probably be much worse).

frustrating to say the least.

the worst part is that the dogs stayed in my mom's yard, so the police were able to collect them. however, since they only attacked another animal the owners were able to release them with only paying the housng fee (like 75 dollars). the detective said he will try to get them to pay the bills, but since the owners are in detroit, i have a feeling theyre not just gonna hand my mom a big wad of cash.

really crappy. personally, i think the owners should be criminally liable.

i did read it.
caputo's

i did read it.

caputo's argument: there is no evidence to the contrary that RR isnt being overwhelmed at michigan.

your argument: there are mitigating circumstances for his failures.

your argument, even if true, doesnt make caputo's faulty. what has RR done well since he's been here? the only reason he still has a job is because he hasnt done enough to be fired after just 2 years.

well, i believe wojo has

well, i believe wojo has written atleast one article similar in tone to that of the hack's.

evidence to the contrary does

evidence to the contrary does not include excuses. i think your post kind of just proves his point. its hard to come up with the stuff that has gone right here under RR.

also, for those bashing caputo, keep in mind he is consistently a very moderate, reasonable voice in the detroit market (him and wojo are #1 and #2, imo). he also just last week wrote in his article that "practice gate" was a legit story but grossly overstated by the freep. soo....

i like RR personally, and hope he gets this turned around next year. but things have not gone well by any measure, and more of the same means he should be gone. sometimes people on this board really do act like the iraqi minister of information. just because someone writes something that isnt glowing over michigan doesnt mean theyre an enemy of the state, or something.

2/3 of the posters in this

2/3 of the posters in this thread either have poor reading skills or live in a maize and blue painted bubble.

i couldnt blame the refs.

i couldnt blame the refs. sims is talented but he is such a mope. what could he have possibly been thinking taking that 3? and harris had almost a comically bad game. where did running into the teeth of the defense and throwing up a prayer come from? send that back.

the talent we'll lose this year will hurt, but i think having novak lead this team rather than sims will more than make up for it.

i doubt a change in rookie

i doubt a change in rookie pay would affect warren, who looks like a 3rd round pick to me.

RR might beable to sell warren on having his draft stock jump by staying one more year. but the shitstorm that is our d has to be a scary prospect for him.

either way, i dont see any reason to be optimistic about this defense going forward. we've got exactly one thing going for us and he's graduating this year.

i know people hope that having consistency from the dc will help, but thats overblown. its not like theres going to be some sudden sea change between coordinators.

i doubt a change in rookie

i doubt a change in rookie pay would affect warren, who looks like a 3rd round pick to me.

RR might beable to sell warren on having his draft stock jump by staying one more year. but the shitstorm that is our d has to be a scary prospect for him.

either way, i dont see any reason to be optimistic about this defense going forward. we've got exactly one thing going for us and he's graduating this year.

i know people hope that having consistency from the dc will help, but thats overblown. its not like theres going to be some sudden sea change between coordinators.

right now i see RR as a guy

right now i see RR as a guy who overly relies on one play, doesnt pay attention to details. the best thing about him was hope, but he has yet to justify any of that optimism.

he's not getting fired, even if he loses out. but i doubt the new AD will put up with a 3rd year of this. and right now, next year looks like more of the same is possible, losing graham, probably warren, and the likelihood that devin gardner plays as a true frosh.

there will be good candidates that would take over for RR. i have no doubt in that.

ps im rooting for rodriguez, i really hope he works this thing out. but right now, he's been more trouble than a positive. by far.

i agree with the notion its

i agree with the notion its dumb to second guess the power I, or whatever. we should have gotten in, rigardless. maybe he should have taken the 3 pts, but i liked that call too.

RR has one foot out the door, though. i think alot of people didnt understand how bad of a loss last week was. its carried over, and a 6th win is not guaranteed.