Zach Charbonnet Has Minor Knee Surgery
From Harbaugh's Press Release: Isaiah Hole WolverinesWire Staff 2h
"A couple of other changes:" Hassan Haskins is at RB now "he already looks really good." Walk-on Lucas Andreghietto (sp?) has moved from safety to RB. "Also, we're looking at Ben VanSumeren at running back...he's got an upper gear as well."
"Charbonnet -- Zach came in with a procedure we knew he needed to get done...." Says he had a minor surgery on his meniscus. Wanted him to have it done here and have him not participate in spring ball.
Interesting that the team would want him to wait and miss spring practice in order for him to have the team doctors perform the surgery.
Harbaugh had them install Blue Steel. Both twisted and untwisted.
To hell with steel; let's bond Adamantium to his entire skeleton.
It seems like a lot of schools sort of want medical issues overseen by their staffs, which makes sense. But yeah, it's a little funny they basically told him to wait until they got him on campus.
A little, but depending on when he had the surgery in CA, it may have kept him out of spring ball anyway, so might as well have it done here, especially since all of his follow up appointments could be here with the doc who did the procedure. Could be some financial reason for it as well.
The slight delay in timing didn't affect his Spring Practice availability. Wasn't going to be available either way.
having had two serious knee surgeries at Michigan, I think that is a very wise move. My surgeon at the time just operated on Roberto, and their PT program for athletes is top knotch.
It’s because of cash money. I work for a large company, and a knee surgery would be $6-$7K out of pocket with my insurance.
Also, he may not have been covered by the “good” surgeons.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:02 AM ^
Ok, I'm not getting it. Why is it interesting?
That's just fucking swell
Hopefully there's not too much swelling.
Umbig11 mentioned this a while ago. Not a major deal. Bummer to miss spring but with a full fall camp should be ready.
Exactly- not new news
March 18th, 2019 at 10:10 PM ^
And he isn't completely missing spring practice. He'll get a good start on learning the system and adjusting to college.
Can't wait for our MGoAmateurDoctors to pipe in with their diagnoses. That'll give us the real skinny as to whether or not worry about his availability this Fall.
I'd still rather have Charbonnet than Mike Weber.
Agreed!!! ZC gonna be a stud!
DPJ, Michael Dwumfour, Nico Collins, Lavert Hill all out with boo boos as well per Baumgardner.
That is a lot of starter level talent. Better now than in August I guess.
Lavert sitting for the 3rd straight spring. Now I really believe he is trolling Zordich ...
It’s the only reason he came back. s/
Harbaugh also mentioned that Christian Turner has "Surged"
Im betting RB1 Turner RB2 Wilson RB3 Charbonnet. But Charbonnet will take Wilsons spot midseason
Im not in a football mindset right now so Im probably missing someone
Uh, no you're not. That's the problem.
Yeah, man. It was right in the OP, you're missing Lucas Andreghietto (sp?)
I think I had some Andreghietto with marinara sauce the other day.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:06 AM ^
Pair that with a nice bottle of California Charbonnet and you’ve got the makings of an excellent entree.
Was that Andreghietto fabulous?
I think Charbonnet will start cutting into Turner's PT, not Wilson's. Wilson will always have a role as a third-down back because of his ferocious and willing blocking.
You're going to need to find room for VanSum in your rotation, especially on passing downs.
Charbonnet will be RB2 by the start of the season and will be splitting carries with CT by the end of the year. Still think ZC clears 500 yards with ease this year - probably closer to 1000 than 500.
If Charbonnet is only RB2 by the start of the season that will be disappointing.
Unless Evans is reinstated by the start of the season that means our starting RB will be a 3rd string walk on. I am optimistic about our team next year, but it isn't good news for our RB situation when Harbaugh seems to be having open tryouts for whoever might be capable of running the ball.
These actions aren't because we have so much talent we are trying to find the most talented RB. These actions have a bit of desperation behind them.
March 18th, 2019 at 10:27 PM ^
Why? He’s behind a 4 star RB who’s older. Our starting RB will be a 3rd string walk-on? I don’t understand that comment. If it’s Turner, Charbonnet, Wilson, then our 3rd string walk-on is...a 3rd string walk-on. Also, Wilson is on scholarship now.
You know Hassan Haskins was recruited as a RB right? Staff evaluated him as a five star RB. The RB room was just too full last year so they tried him on D.
Turner, Charbonnet, Wilson, Haskins makes us 4-deep at true RB. Mason and BVS have some versatility here as well. I think if the staff were truly desperate, Mike Barrett would have moved to RB by now. I don’t think the staff thinks the situation is dire.
Watching our RB's last year, only Higdon could be described as good. Evans play was merely average. He flashed nothing exceptional. My observations on Wilson are the same. Serviceable, but no home run ability (Magnus actually listed a couple of facts about this...can't remember what they were now). Other than Higdon, there was no back that showed ability to potentially take it to the house.
So on our roster now (if Evans is still an option) is Evans and Wilson that, at the top of their ceiling, look to be no better than an average Big 10 back. Furthermore, I am assuming that Harbaugh is evaluating talent correctly and that he is not putting talent on the bench that is far better than Evans or Wilson. Thus, Hasskins, Turner, Mason have all been evaluated and deemed not better than Evans or Wilson.
Now there is always room for kids growing, developing, learning the playbook better, blitz pickup schemes that could allow them to get better. I just don't see how one could come to the conclusion, based upon who played last year (Hidgon, Evans and Wilson) that there is this amazing explosive running back on our roster that is gonna set the conference on fire in Hasskins and Turner. If they really had that potential and ability they would have been in the mix last year. Now, with ZC, I think we do potentially have that.
I just don't see how one could come to the conclusion, based upon who played last year (Hidgon, Evans and Wilson) that there is this amazing explosive running back on our roster that is gonna set the conference on fire in Hasskins and Turner. If they really had that potential and ability they would have been in the mix last year.
This is clearly the fallacy that your whole view on the RB situation relies on and that all your comments here come back to. You're being a bit obtuse. Turner was a true freshman last year behind Higdon, Evans, and Wilson. The staff wanted to redshirt him, so they did. Higdon, Evans, and Wilson were all averaging well over 5 ypc, so we didn't need to pull Turner's RS. The notions that he 1. couldn't beat out Higdon, Evans, and Wilson last year, and 2. therefore, can't be very good this year are both incorrect. He's already passed Wilson on the depth chart.
Additionally, everyone around the program raves about him. Harbaugh in his presser yesterday, Shea recently on a podcast, Harbaugh before the bowl game.
The idea that we have RBs who can be top backs in the Big Ten outside of Charbonnet isn't based on who played last year, obviously. It's based on scouting, the OL/offense, and what people in the program are saying. Turner and Haskins are both backs the staff thought were incredibly underrated - same goes for Charbonnet. If you think Charbonnet can be a player, you should think CT and HH can be as well, because you're basing the thought on the same thing: the staff's scouting.
March 19th, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
I hope you are right. Truly.
Where I question you heavily is where you see to infer that the staff decided to Red Shirt Turner and so he was relegated to not playing because of that decision. The idea that Jim Harbaugh, Mr. Meritocracy himself, would purposely red shirt a player who has better talent than other people out there is just not plausible. If Jim Harbaugh red shirted Turner, it is because he believed Turner to not be better than the other RB's that played. Now his evaluation may have been wrong, but JH would not sit a better player so they could save an extra year of eligibility.
Also, unfortunately, we have heard prior hubbub of players "standing out" or "making great leaps" and usually (not always of course) it is nothing but words. The rhetoric never matches the actual on field production in most cases.
I think Charbonnet, based upon his film, ranking and evaluations is in a different category than Turner and Hasskins. He does look to be a bit special. I think Turner and Hasskins can turn out to be productive, but not a special player.
I guess what I am measuring our RB's by is do they have what it takes to be special? Do DC's have to account for them? I don't think that is the case with any of the RB's we have seen. Perhaps that is an unfair standard to place upon them.
Turner didn’t have to be better than Higdon and Evans last year to be a special player. Again, you’re not looking at this logically. How many very special players here were buried as freshmen below players they ended up being better than? Devin Bush, Chase Winovich, Cesar Ruiz, Mo Hurst, Karan Higdon, on and on and on. That’s just to name some recent guys.
Your thinking of “Turner must not be a good player because he didn’t play over 3 very effective RBs as a true freshman” is just perplexing me. I don’t see where you’re coming from. “Did not play a lot as true freshman” has never been a preclusion from being a great player. Ever.
I also go back to the fact that you think Charbonnet will be special (I concur) with less to go on than Turner. Turner has at least taken college snaps, done well with them, and been in the program for a whole year.
March 19th, 2019 at 11:04 AM ^
Eh,... if he's Saquon Barkley, or Leonard Fournette, etc. you don't save that redshirt.
Most great college backs play a good bit as freshman.
Correct my good man! If the back is special he plays early.
You’re talking Doak Walker level players who didn’t have 3 5ypc backs ahead of them when they got to campus.
If your RB room is thin and and you just brought in a first round draft pick, obviously they play.
If your RB room is full and you just brought in an All Conference guy, they probably sit.
Im not predicting Turner will be a top 15 draft pick, but there’s a ton of space between “top 15 draft pick RB” and “very good college RB” and a lot of the players in that space played sparingly to not at all as freshman.
March 18th, 2019 at 11:10 PM ^
I wonder if the Patriots are disappointed that their starting QB is a 6th round draft pick .
Turner is going to make an All Big Ten team. He will have a good line in front of him.
So you think that a RB that was at best 4th string last year is going to be All Big Ten? That comes close to reeking of fan boy delusion.
How about this? If you are correct I will donate $200 to charity. You can screen shot this if you like. I will honor it fully.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:25 AM ^
Your wrong about how you describe his ranking on the depth chart. He was our best back at the bowl game. He spent most of his true freshman season injured. When he finally got healthy and reps he made his move.
He has size and speed and in limited action looks like he can pick a hole and get upfield with good feet. His TD called back in the bowl game was explosive. I’m as excited as anyone to see what Zach brings to the table but CT looks like a gamer already against d1 competition
He is likely our #1 back heading into fall behind a veteran line that last year proved to be one of the better lines in the Big Ten. I happen to think the #1 back in a UofM offense should at the very least be contending for a mention on an All Big Ten team.
If you think that sounds like a fanboy that’s fine. But you’ll pick a kid out of high school who has never played a down and say he is going to be a stud? I don’t disagree with you but isn’t that a touch pot/kettle?
What’s your charity? How about Ace?
I would happily donate to Ace.
It’s a plan. No rooting against him though. Ha.
March 19th, 2019 at 10:59 AM ^
Hey my man, I hope you are right. I would LOVE to be wrong. I will be rooting for Turner all year. I hope he is as successful as he can be. Nothing would make me happier or have a more willing $200 donation with the biggest smile.
Which one is his minor knee, and like with all college students, I wonder what's his major?
Fuck, I hope he is able to get carries this year. But this definitely lowers my expectations for the year for him.
Probably shouldn't. Meniscus surgery is no big deal and it's well before the season. And he's a true frosh running back.
March 19th, 2019 at 12:23 AM ^
I agree meniscus surgery is a quick healing procedure, but missing spring ball for an incoming Freshman will be a concern. Sure, he can still learn the playbook but he has to get reps to really know it/execute.