Why Can’t the NCAA Allegation Be Published?

Submitted by Mattinboots on October 19th, 2023 at 4:05 PM

I understand that Warde, et al can’t talk about the allegations, but why can’t the allegation be made public?  I assume it was in written format. Pure speculation here, but I’m assuming the allegation would have a bit more detail that would at least help those interested understand what exactly is being investigated. 

maizenblue92

October 19th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^

Because there is no allegation yet (technically). The NCAA is merely launching a investigation. If anything arises from the investigation then a notice of allegations will be provided. Basically at this point the only thing the allegations are from are opposing staffs. 

Midukman

October 19th, 2023 at 7:28 PM ^

Considering that the the athletic wants $ to read what will be free an hour later? Fuck them! This seems like a political hit job in the world of college sports. God forbid Michigan steals any thunder from the sec. I couldn’t stand Tressel and his bible thumping bullshit, but the guy got cornholed dry. The icing on the cake is the ncaa calling future opponents and saying “watch out”. I hope Harbaugh runs the fucking ball 80 times and never attempts a pass on Saturday. That way they know what’s coming. The whole “2 of our opponents” said we knew their plays? I’m guessing Urbans knob slobber Schianno was one of them, if it’s even true. 

MeanJoe07

October 19th, 2023 at 4:11 PM ^

Because the neckbeard rat fucks at the NCAA want to control the narrative and take down Michigan no matter what it takes.  We probably did violate some rule that every other team also violates among many more, but they only get hard ons by trying to fuck Michigan and Harbaugh.  They didn't like Harbaugh's tone after he bought the cheeseburgers and they did the proactive 3 game suspension.  We miscalculated. Now they're gonna take us down. Warde will gladly bend over and take whatever the NCAA wants to give him in order to protect the block M and holier than thou facade we wish to maintain even though it's all a joke and every team is doing this shit and it prob made no difference to the outcome of any game. 

Hab

October 19th, 2023 at 4:20 PM ^

written form, so it's libel

 

But there is no libel in publishing a true statement, even if it results in harm.  The truth is an absolute defense to a claim of slander and/ or libel.

 

All of this is to distract from the fact that MSU sucks and people are starting to really be concerned that UM might actually be very, very good.  So, rather than take the L that is coming, let's come up with other bullshit.

bronxblue

October 19th, 2023 at 4:16 PM ^

I'm somewhat surprised the evidence they do have hasn't been sent to Michigan, or at least that was the case when they announced the investigation.  

Not to get political here but we've seen throughout history, even somewhat recently, organizations publish information about an investigation that basically ratfucks someone and then said evidence turns out to be minimal/the violation trivial but the damage was done.  Not saying that's the case here but the info out in the public sure reads like "someone is mad he lost so he's claiming UM is cheating" like a message board poster.  I'm fine being wrong and will admit to it if more comes out but there's a vibe here.

goblu330

October 19th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

I’m starting to get the feeling that Harbaugh has some real enemies not only in the NCAA and Big Ten but also in the Michigan athletic department. The entire way this is being alleged and discussed throughout the media is highly suspect.  In the ESPN article it says that some of the allegations pre-date 2022.  Based on that wording, it is entirely possible that these allegations are not even from this year.  
 

Manuel’s statement was also very strange in light of the circumstances.  It’s highly unusual for somebody in that position to not at least be a little defensive.  Particularly when the NCAA and the Big Ten are essentially telling Michigan’s opponents they are doing something that has not been proven.  He should be irate.  
 

This is all really really shady.

 

bronxblue

October 19th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^

The enemies inside the program may just be that recruiting idiot they fired who then got fired by Miss St. and who was the guy behind the burger claims.

Warde might not be defensive but he might also not have any information.  I feel like his initial statements around the burger situation were equally milquetoast 

goblu330

October 19th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^

Yes, but in this case the NCAA and the BIG are ACTING on the allegations already.  Them having contact on the issue with future Michigan opponents is completely unacceptable and patently unethical.  It’s CRAZY he did not address that, to the point that it makes me highly question his motives.

MeanJoe07

October 19th, 2023 at 4:26 PM ^

Spot on. That's obviously what's happening. There's all kinds of gamesmanship that goes on.  Teams mix up their signals and do various things. Some of it is probably technically against the rules. You still have to block and catch the passes and make throws and tackle, etc. I doubt it changed the outcome of any game we've played this year.  This is just them getting us on a technicality because the NCAA doesn't like us and people don't like Harbaugh. They could do this to amy school if they wanted to. Leaking the allegations and not providing evidence first proves that their motive is to ratfuck us and give them every advantage with they feign it's a out integrity of the support. Of course every other school that's been dog walked by Michigan is gonna agree Michigan cheats.  It's sinister, but ingenious and very smart strategy by NCAA.

djmagic

October 19th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^

what evidence is there?   from what I've read, there are accusatory posts on rival teams message boards, and two unnamed teams who've said after the fact that they thought M had stolen their signals but offered no evidence claiming M had done so illegally.

 

this whole thing smells like nonsense to me.  should I see an ENT specialist?

Beat Rutgerland

October 19th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^

My overwhelming feeling is that because this is bullshit. I understand I'm biased, but this certainly feels like another whisper campaign without a shred of evidence i.e. "Harbaugh lied."

Add in Ryan Day coming up with yet another excuse for why he keeps losing to Michigan if he's involved.

Michigan should demand evidence, fuck staying quiet while we're getting smeared on the basis of allegations. If we did it, I'd like to know, but I'm well past the point where I'm taking the NCAA's word for it.

Midukman

October 19th, 2023 at 7:52 PM ^

If that lard assed Ward had a pair he’d make a statement as such. We don’t need the ncaa in any way shape or form. The sec made that clear and that’s precisely why they don’t even get sniffed. Ward cowers and we constantly get fucked with. Ward was typing his response while he was on the phone and apologizing. 

bronxblue

October 19th, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^

Yeah, the fact we didn't get a bunch of info here feels intentional, seeing as the earlier investigation about the burger and visits were pretty flush with dates and details.  Now I get this is an investigation instead of the end result of it but accusations still usually have leaks with them.

My working idea is that this will be another minor technical violation that the NCAA will try to make big and everyone will sort of shrug at.

MgoBlueprint

October 19th, 2023 at 4:30 PM ^

This is the ncaa making a mountain out of a cheeseburger. The rule was about cost not competitive advantage. I think the ncaa is trying to regain some of the pr ground after the burgergate fiasco 

The Mad Hatter

October 19th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^

I've been saying for years that the power conferences should get together, dump the NCAA, and regulate themselves.  Created a P5AA (P4?) and let the NCAA worry about whatever petty bullshit they want to at the smaller schools.

And if the Big 10 is trying to fuck us in this particular situation we should leave for the SEC.  Or go it alone like ND.

RealElonMusk

October 19th, 2023 at 4:41 PM ^

Yes-  this treatment by the NCAA is very close to intentionally damaging.   

Michigan is a member of the NCAA  but that doesn't mean U of M needs to accept what is obviously biased application of NCAA "rules"

DennisFranklinDaMan

October 19th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^

God I hate the idea that the NCAA is "out to get us." When was the last time the NCAA actually levied a penalty against the Michigan football team (other than the penalty we levied against ourselves, of course)? Was it during Rich Rod's time? There may have been one since , but I can't remember it. 

Sure, there are "investigations," and "allegations," but so what? If there are allegations against U of M, there's nothing wrong with the NCAA announcing it's going to investigate them. If we're innocent, nothing will come of it. If we're guilty, yeah, something might come of it.

But this idea that the NCAA is "out to get us," has taken on a life of its own. Good God people on here like to believe that the winningest team in NCAA history, which has been in the four-team playoffs two years in a row, is nonetheless the victim of an NCAA agenda. Despite the fact that, in fact, other teams have received penalties in recent years (Oklahoma State, for instance), while we have not. 

I'm not saying that the NCAA is always consistent, or that it punishes all wrong-doers equally, or appropriately. But playing the victim all the time is so boring. If we cheated, punishment is fair. It seems like people say, "we should be able to cheat! It's not fair to hold us accountable for cheating!" 

Poor us, no? Not being allowed to cheat?

Hensons Mobile…

October 19th, 2023 at 4:55 PM ^

Good God people on here like to believe that the winningest team in NCAA history, which has been in the four-team playoffs two years in a row, is nonetheless the victim of an NCAA agenda.

I mean, that is kind of what happened with the NFL and the Patriots. Other teams got jealous and got the organization to target them. Deflategate being the prime example.

Hensons Mobile…

October 19th, 2023 at 5:10 PM ^

If I recall correctly, they actually did that, no? Maybe not. But the deflategate was nonsense, ideal gas law and all that. They thought they had something and tried to drop the hammer when they had nothing. It seemed crazy they would want to destroy their biggest team and star without good evidence, and yet that was what they set out to do. Ultimately Brady got in trouble for not cooperating because he wouldn't let them go through all of his private texts. He didn't get busted for deflating the football.

MGoBlue96

October 19th, 2023 at 5:01 PM ^

Please tell me on what planet it is normal or ok for the NCAA to tell other teams about allegations against a team that haven't been investigated yet let alone proved? That part of it is absolutely unacceptable and the discussing player health and safety concerns with MSU after what has actually happened to UM players is the cherry on top of the absurd sundae.

BBQJeff

October 19th, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^

I kind of agree with you.   Clearly some of those in power at the NCAA hate Harbaugh and that may be playing a role in this however Michigan football, especially where the program is at right now, is good for business.    For the NCAA money takes precedence over all else so a biased witch-hunt just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.  

michelin

October 19th, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^

The effect of this "leak" of a vague unsubstantiated charge is to change the narrative.  Otherwise, announcers on Saturday would be talking more about MSU and Tucker.