Why Are People Defending Hoke?
I for the life of me don't see him staying..
From Marcus defending him and Jon Jansen defending him today on his podcast..
Is it the Carr faction grasping at straws??
On a side note did anyone listen to Marcus Ray this morning?
He basiclly called Hoke out when he was stating OSU out coached MSU..
Amazing.
November 12th, 2014 at 10:14 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^
RR had a similar mismatch of talent and scheme when he started. At some point we have to stick with something long enough to have a roster that matches the system.
November 12th, 2014 at 5:56 PM ^
there is some incredibly bad logic in this thread
November 12th, 2014 at 6:30 PM ^
It's customary to not speak ill of the recently deceased. I guess it just accompanies the present situation.
November 12th, 2014 at 6:34 PM ^
My two cents - If we win out, give him another year.
If however Jim Harbaugh is available at any point, then all bets are off.
November 12th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^
Agreed.
If Jim Harbaugh is able and willing, we need to lock him down. Otherwise, Hoke with new position coaches may be acceptable.
November 12th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^
Why do you think changing position coaches would alter anything? The team would still flop on the road, still perform badly vs good teams, still field 10 guys on special teams. The man is not a good head coach. No amount of rearranging of the staff will change that.
November 12th, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
How many coaches does he have to change? It's not working.
And if we suck next year you would just say that they need more time to ''implement their scheme''.
November 12th, 2014 at 8:47 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 6:43 PM ^
If Hoke would have showed improvement after the whole DB debacle i wouldnt mind having him come back and in the mean time let the new AD take his time to hire the new coach, BUUUuT why keep him now.
At least give Nuss a year to try and turn this team around if we cant find our guy just yet..we cant afford messing it up this time around.
November 12th, 2014 at 6:57 PM ^
Bro, after all the bad times the past 7 years, I'll settle for any wins. I won't fault a team for winning close.
If they beat Ohio, in Ohio, I might get on the "turning the corner" bandwagon for a bit.
Another year of Hoke doesn't scare me if he can find ways to win. What terrifies me is the prospect of a non-Harbaugh hire, and going through this whole thing again in 3-5 years.
The Nuss idea is interesting, he was being looked at for HC by a few programs. But, our offense is kinda bad right now, so I dunno about him either.
Fuggitall, Jim Harbaguh or self-immolation.
November 12th, 2014 at 9:17 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 10:00 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 10:10 PM ^
They also played them on the road where we would most likely lose.
November 12th, 2014 at 9:58 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^
That is pretty naive for you to think that firing DB was going to lead to instantaneous results on the field.
November 12th, 2014 at 6:49 PM ^
I read big fat marshmallow and had an epiphany - Charlie Weis is still out there!!!
November 12th, 2014 at 6:56 PM ^
People support him because he is nice, has a cool head and is a great guy in general. But, not a great head coach
November 13th, 2014 at 10:10 AM ^
again, everyone says what you said, but what behavior can you point at and use as an example?
Nice? --Because he claps a lot?
Cool head? - Stuggling on this...doesn't wear long sleeves? I don't know, he can't manage games so this point is not valid.
Great guy in general? - Another meaningless point unless you can point to something that a Michigan HC doesn't do to be 'a good guy'.
I'm tired of these qualitative qualities that Hoke supposedly has.
November 12th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^
. . . the need to defend or feels sorry for Hoke? The dude's walking away with several million bucks in his pocket after all is said and done. I have no empathy for Hoke. How many of you guys on this will get that package from your employer?
November 12th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^
Apparently he's an excellent judge of young talent as well as his ability to be fun loving.
November 12th, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^
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November 12th, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 9:04 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 10:29 PM ^
So was Rich Rod and I witnessed first hand how my fellow alums treated him. I will give Hoke the same loyalty they showed Rich, NONE.
November 13th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 9:24 PM ^
The fan base basically fired Borges last year in retrospect was that a great idea?
I think he goes and probably deserves to go, but it's not hard to like Hoke and I wish more than anything he was the one to turn it around.
November 12th, 2014 at 9:56 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 9:33 PM ^
this is-- Where It Is-- at this point. The TRUMP Card in all of this is-- the Isaac-Peppers Combo for NY.
Now-- if there IS a loss H-Mry, then Im sure Most People will say
well-- I dont really care about The Trump Card . . .
BUT-- you get a WIN H-Mry, and then a Bowlgame-W, and I think most people are saying
--you know what, I kinda Like That Trump Card thats out there . . . GIMME that Trump Card
November 12th, 2014 at 9:46 PM ^
I still have no idea what you are trying to say.
November 12th, 2014 at 9:50 PM ^
Christopher Walken?
November 12th, 2014 at 9:56 PM ^
Ive Got a Fever--
for More MICHIGAN Football Victories . . .
November 13th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 9:48 PM ^
November 12th, 2014 at 10:15 PM ^
Because straw men are people too.
November 12th, 2014 at 10:31 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 12:08 AM ^
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November 13th, 2014 at 8:03 AM ^
how significant is one more year of shityness on top of a decade of shityness by letting play out his contract?It's very significant because Michigan is in a very percarious position. As bad as things have gone on the field, the one area where Hoke has succeeded is recruiting. The cupboard is not bare right now. While the turmoil of this season will probably torpedo the recruiting class this year, the class is small and it's impact on the roster will be minimal. The 2016 recuiting class though is going to be very big and figures to be key to the long term success of this program and it will be impossible for Hoke, with the lame duck tag on him, to stock it with top-flight recruits. We crater two recruiting classes in a row and we're looking at another rebuilding project for any coach we bring in. I agree with the general sentiment that replacing Hoke for the sake of replacing him is not the most productive move that we could make, but let's not kid ourselves over the consequences of doing nothing. Sticking with Hoke for another season probably means the program continuing to struggle for 4 or 5 more years. Four or five more years of struggling means more fan apathy, means less interest from potential recruits....this thing could snowball quickly.
November 12th, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^
1. Solely to irritate people like you
2. Because he's the head coach
3. Because obviously there are at least some former players who think this is just a rough patch and things will get better.
In regards to #3, I don't see it happening. I think the OL will be pretty good next year, but the QB ? Morris doesn't look ready. Furthermore our WR's and RB's are proving to be big, athletic... but slow. So what next season will change? I expect another year of struggle offensively.
If Harbaugh is available you throw the checkbook at him. Tell Hoke "nice try, but..." We need someone to come in, erase the Brandon stain on this program and get back to winning.
November 12th, 2014 at 11:03 PM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 1:12 AM ^
I have concluded that about 1 in 4 fans are pretty dumb.
don't worry, reader, you are probably in the 3/4.
November 13th, 2014 at 1:40 AM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
you need to do Some Reading . . .
November 13th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^
You are exactly like me. Strange isn't it?
November 13th, 2014 at 10:19 AM ^
Discuss--
November 13th, 2014 at 10:34 AM ^
November 13th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^
Dude is a deer in headlights. If you want that for your coach of Michigan football, defend him all you want.
At the end of the day, it won't matter, because he is not up to the task at Michigan, if he ever was anywhere. Greatest quality---saying yes to whatver Brandon said.
Worst quality---too numerous to mention.
Great guy, wish him well, but it's time to get a real coach.
Seriously...
November 13th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
I wouldn't care if they won the rest of the games by 50 points.
It's been obvious that Hoke and the coaches he has hired can not develop talent.
November 13th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
The product on the field this year has been pathetic. Hoke has had 4 years. No one has done so little with so much. Hoke should have been fired after the Notre Dame game. The program needs someone to come in and kick some ass.