Why all the UM hatred ?
Unfortunately the media manipulators are still hard at it controlling the talking points.. Most average fans don't look at the details. The see the title of an article and run with it. There was actually an article today that Michigan was too emotional after the win and playing the whoa is me.
i would really like to understand who has such an agenda against JH and such an obvious hatred for UM. Regardless of what they do on the field, that faction's talking points are going to try to diminish any accomplishments. Is hatred/jealousy mostly among fellow big ten coaches ? Has it spread nationally ?If so why ? Is it a psy ops orchestrated by Ryan Day?
Whether its sports or some other topic, these days people don't bother with details. They repeat talking points which eventually makes it true in the public spectrum. All UM can do is keep winning. AND LEAVE THE BIG TEN !! The hatred maybe national. But its definitely the worst in our own backyard.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
B, don't kill my vibe
November 12th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
Woe is me. Why all the threads?
November 12th, 2023 at 9:46 AM ^
A lot of people who'd been itching to post got up and posted.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:59 AM ^
Whoa Nelly!
November 12th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
You know, Keith Jackson died...
November 12th, 2023 at 1:06 PM ^
We were talking about that during the camping trip.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
Harbaugh has some religious, political, and social opinions the media doesn't like.
Revenue sharing being the latest.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:28 AM ^
Harbaugh is FAR from being the first or last football coach to be socially or politically conservative, or Catholic. That's not it. It's 100% the revenue sharing. That cuts into people's cushy salaries, and that's what kicks over the biggest load bearing pillar of the current "system."
November 12th, 2023 at 9:35 AM ^
It’s not all of, but there is certainly a component of it all play. But I agree it is not the primary issue involved.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:45 AM ^
Agreed. This narrative that keeps popping up that the media is after Harbaugh because of his Catholicism and resulting social/political conservatism is BS. He's not even that easy to put in that box. He has been very supportive of Hilary Clinton and Michelle Obama to his team, for example. This is all about his revenue sharing comments.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:53 AM ^
Agreed. I didn't put him in any "box."
But he is definitely not in lock-step with the media, which the media does not like.
He dares to have opinions of his own, that sometimes conflict with the media, which the media does not like.
He's not a sycophant for the entities "above him" (NCAA, B1G, etc). Which the media does not like.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:58 AM ^
All true. I think we also have to admit that he has a rather off-putting personality. There are a ton of very cringy interviews out there. It seems like he's very distant until the interviewer "gets him" or at least gains his trust. See Cowherd, or even local radio. As a fan base he's our weirdo, but he's definitely weird.
November 12th, 2023 at 12:55 PM ^
He does not suffer fools gladly. This, alone, makes him the antithesis of most sports media personnel.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^
Yes, he’s pro life but has a lot of other beliefs that don’t fit squarely within conservative ideals. He has a little bit of that 1950/60s Latin America catholic social Justice vibe in Him.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:02 AM ^
He also supports Colin Kaepernick, who is not the most popular dude around. And don't forget satellite camps.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:46 AM ^
If it was "100% the revenue sharing" it would have only been the last couple months after he stated it publicly.
The media/NCAA/B1G hasn't been kind to Harbaugh his entire tenure.
November 12th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^
Harbaugh's been an advocate for players in general though, going back at least to Kaepernick. He was one of the first to argue for the right to transfer without penalty.
November 12th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^
I grew up in Ann Arbor and went to Michigan with Harbaugh, lived in SF during his tenure with Stanford and 49ers. I don't know the man personally, but I've certainly been a close follower of his career.
The fact is, Jim Harbaugh has a real knack for pissing people off. He was wildly successful at both Stanford and SF, yet a whole bunch of folks were happy to see him go - and don't forget all the people who were calling for his head in A2 just a few years ago.
Lots of NFL people can't stand him - and I do personally know more than one guy who played for/with him who respected him but genuinely didn't like him.
People are complex, and Harbaugh is a big personality. He performs a lot of truly good, admirable acts, but he also says and does things that get under people's skin.
IMO it doesn't have much to do with politics or philosophy about paying players. He can be a difficult, abrasive, weird guy. He's also a GREAT football coach - and it's likely some people dislike him because they can't beat him.
As for the Michigan thing - I've lived around the country, and Michigan people (myself included) seem to be more connected to and oddly obsessed about our school than most; my Michigan support/obsession is baffling bordering on irritating to my friends from other schools/countries.
November 12th, 2023 at 7:38 PM ^
Move to the SEC territory, Michigan obsession is nothing compared to fandom down here. Peopleake thier entire lives about the college they share a state with and make thier entire lives about that football team all while simultaneously knowing very little about it. I hate talking sports with the vast majority of them, especially living in Georgia given the recent success.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:33 AM ^
Beyond that though, there has been a lengthy disdain for UM well before the Harbaugh years. I get it - when you are always cleaning others' clocks, a healthy portion of people tend to go against you (See Dallas Cowboys, Tom Brady, Yankees, etc). What I really do not comprehend is those with disdain toward UM are actually siding with osu. Why is there a lack of negative feelings toward them with all their issues the last 20 years? THAT boggles my mind more.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^
People think we believe we are superior to them and that we have a false sense of entitlement. The whole”Michigan Man” and “Leaders and the Best” piss them off. It’s stuff like that.
The only thing I really don’t get is why it gets so personal. It’s fun when it’s talk directed at a school, but when friends and family bring it up out of nowhere, that’s just weird. I had no idea that I was an “arrogant asshole” until i told my boss I went to Michigan. “You’re one of those arrogant assholes!??”
He was genuinely disappointed. And I had been working for him almost a year at that point.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:15 AM ^
I've experienced that too and it's bananas to me. If they want to form a bad first impression based on no other information - fine. That's lazy but at least you've got 1/1 "negative" data points.
But when someone changes a long held opinion of a person, undermines a relationship that had some real foundation? Why would you do that? It says a lot about them.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^
I had an acquaintance who, when I told him I went to Michigan, was shocked and said, "That's usually the first thing Michigan people tell you about themselves." He held it slightly against me after that. It's crazy how you can know someone for a long time and then something that's been true all along, but known only to you, then changes how they feel about you. I could understand if it was, "Oh, did I not tell you I served time in jail for murder?" But "I went to Michigan" doesn't seem to rise to that level.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:57 AM ^
And then they assume the worst of you when it comes to sports. When I worked in Lansing, one of my coworkers just went off on me, "Oh sure, you would do that today!" When I finally convinced him that I didn't know what he was talking about (which took a minute), he told me I was cheering for OSU the day before they played MSU because I was wearing a red sweatshirt.
This was in the dark times, so I wasn't watching football at all. Admittedly, I wouldn't have let the MSU - OSU determine what I wear. But he never did believe that I didn't wear that shirt to spite him. It's so weird.
November 12th, 2023 at 11:04 AM ^
TL;DR Resentment and Envy
People have not liked Michigan for way longer than when Harbaugh got here. It’s the same reason that people don’t like people from Harvard. In two words: resentment and envy.
It immediately brings a template to their mind about the kind of person that you are. Cue all the feelings that you got the free pass in life where others always had to overcome someone’s doubt. Plus the stereotype of the 1950’s Norman Rockwell-esque perfect TV sitcom All-American kid that’s smart, athletic, charming, popular, and well-rounded. That pisses them off probably because they either didn’t have that or did not feel they were treated well or fairly or could have do better if someone recognized their potential. That resentment can sting. Many of us are guilty, myself included, of coming across on the surface as holier-than-thou hypocrites at times. That doesn’t help.
But it also should be noted that a lot of people who didn’t go there do like us. Because if you wear a T-shirt with the logo of an Ivy League school it’s the equivalent of bragging about your accomplishment and smarts. But if you wear a Michigan, ND, USC, UCLA, Virginia, Texas, etc. you could be wearing it because you like the school or are a fan. It’s a lot more inclusive because these schools are good at both.
The downside is that being good at both just further inflames the sense of unfairness/inferiority to some people who have had a tough go at life. In a certain sense I can understand them and feel for them. No one likes to be second banana all the time.
November 12th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
A friend who's in her early 60's grew up outside of Detroit and went to MSU. She told me just the other day that Michigan has that "elitism" thing happening, so it goes back a long way. Definitely not a new phenomenon.
November 12th, 2023 at 11:38 AM ^
I had an acquaintance who, when I told him I went to Michigan, was shocked and said, "That's usually the first thing Michigan people tell you about themselves."
And yet, if you hadn't gone to Michigan, they'd call you a "Walmart" fan.
Green is an appropriate color for MSU.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:24 AM ^
The media is driven by clicks, so it's more than that. While Harbaugh's views play a part, the U of M is seen as liberal, arrogant (it's hard not to be compared to MSU and Bucknuts), and successful. Mostly it's the winning that drives them crazy. Fuck em all!
November 12th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^
The narrative when he arrived is that he would be a few years and back to the NFL. That hasn't happened and teams are getting irritated about it because they have to play the good version of Michigan.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
They hate us cause they anus
November 12th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^
Overhating anus?
November 12th, 2023 at 11:40 AM ^
We’ve been “Arrogant Assholes” since before my freshman year in 1978.
Ask yourself “why so much hate for the Yankees?” — because they fucking win all the time. Michigan is an elite education and multi sport school. Everyone else isn’t (can you tell I’m arrogant?)
November 12th, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^
DELETED - Great minds, different words posted at the same time. Hillbilly’s words made me laugh.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:24 AM ^
So you don't understand why there is an agenda against the only coach that has advocated for players to get part of the TV contract money?
November 12th, 2023 at 9:43 AM ^
Exactly. When you poke the matrix it tries to cancel you.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^
I understand the NCAA hatred regarding that. I don't understand the general fans hatred and the kissing up to OSU.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:57 AM ^
The media blitz that is happening to back the system is responsible for that. The mainstream media always backs the machine. People are outraged at what they're told to be outraged at.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^
I've been wondering the same thing. It's disgusting to me that a man who acts with such honesty, integrity, and human decency has been subjected to this character assassination. I also hope we leave the Big 10 and the conference falls apart.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:50 AM ^
Welcome to planet earth, dude.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:25 AM ^
Its making a lot of people rich one click at a time...
November 12th, 2023 at 9:53 AM ^
These types of witch hunts and character assassinations happen in the media all the time. Some only notice when it's to someone they know or care about. The big media organizations are whores who only care about the clicks and the revenue. The first casualty is the truth and then let's start whipping up the rumors and speculation. Most people who consume media are either too dumb to dig beyond the surface, or they just enjoy the circus and like to pile on. Like in the old westerns where the whole town turns out and has a festival when the hangman's noose is raised in the town square.
November 12th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^
What an interesting comment to read here.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^
Seems like the tone is turning in the media I read. People viewing what the big ten did as shady and michigan overcoming adversity and bullshit to manball a win. It's a great narrative and it's true, too.
Read better media?
November 12th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
Michigan has never pushed back. That corner may have been turned.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^
They Hate Us for Our Freedom
November 12th, 2023 at 9:28 AM ^
The headlines to start all this crap were intentionally misleading and were designed to gaslight people that don't pay attention to details (ie: the vast majority of people). This type of messaging has been perfected by political parties over the last several years, and has now moved into sports. It works - not a single person, including Desmond and Chuck - are saying that sign stealing is legal and that the 'in-person scouting' is iPhone videos by a friend of an analyst. Nobody is saying that simple detail!
And there's been an avalanche of 'righteous Michigan has fallen' added in for good measure.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:29 AM ^
“They hate us cause they ain’t us”
November 12th, 2023 at 9:30 AM ^
Easy,
It's MSU and OSU.
Last night at the MSU game both groups of fans were chanting F JIm Harbaugh.
They are very much invested in our demise.
They are the one providing the clicks and boosting the algorithm.
November 12th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^
Really? Wow. I did not watch a single minute of that game. I am not going to give my viewership to those two assholes as much as possible going forward. The rivalry has crossed the line. We knew MSU is trash, but I expected better from OSU.
November 12th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^
It’s ‘cause Jim Harbaugh took ‘r jobs.