What's the MBB negative recuiting pitch now?
This is something that crossed my mind when I saw that Thornton will visit Kentucky. A guy like Calipari probably has no qualms with negative recruiting, but what would he say? We've got a red hot coaching staff committed to stay together till '19, world class facilities, world class academics, great NBA opportunities, and incredible fans/students/alumni. So what does the guy say?
1) Sure, they're great with development, but you're already Elite. We won't ask you to work.
2) He's only had 5back-to-back tourney teams. That's not THAT many.
I can't think of any.
They tell them "Michigan can't afford you."
I've never understood why recruits like negative recruiting. Listening to Urban Meyer talk about how bad Michigan is for 15 minutes would be a turn off for me even if I didn't like Michigan at all. It would seem petty and like the guy's sleezy. As for Kentucky, Calipari offers recruits money.
When he visited Ohio State, there was a sign in the locker room. That went something like this: Goals for the year: 3. Get Better Everyday, 2: Win Big Ten Championship, 1: Beat Michigan. Marcus thought, "that Michigan must be a special place, I'm going there!"
Calipari certainly offered recruits money. I'm not sure whether that's even necessary anymore though. The results sell the program for itself. Sure, probably not having to go to class counts as sleazy, but if Calipari can tell recruits he'll get them to the NBA in one year, and has the proven track record for that, paying them under the table is an unnecessary risk.
We'll actually make you go to class.
source: I have none and no idea if this is true.
At Michigan they will give you no extra cash, no girlfriends for hire, you will have to go to class, pass classes, you will not get a car, and you will not own the town. Plus you might have to waste a weekend at Mott Childrens Hospital.
"Subpar Defense". Probably to negative-recruit a big man. No one wants to get posterized because their teammate was slacking on D.
While I see your point, I don't think anyone is able to say anything now anyway. All anyone has to do is look at this team's body of work from the past 3 years. Especially the last 2.
-A national title game appearance
-1 Consensus NPOY
-At least 3 first round picks, possibly as many as 5.
-Winning an outright BTT by 3 whole games without, arguably, our best player.
-One Hail Mary 3 point shot away from a potential back-to-back trip to the Final Four.
This is more than what any Big Ten team, or just about any team in the country, can say about itself over the past 2 years. If JMo makes an NBA roster, it just basically confirms and solidifies what we already know.
They use Adidas
2 sweet 16s since '94.
Wake up people, this is not a dynasty.
NEG NEG NEG NEG NEG
None of these kids were even born in 1994...
...also, I'm old.
That is the point. If I am negatively recruiting Michigan, I suggest that the sucess is recent and a flash in the pan. The truth is that Michigan has been awful for the majority of the lifetime of these recruits.
Championship game in the '70's; Title in the 80's; two champ games in the '90's; and a champ game in 2013.
That is the opposite of a "flash in the pan" program.
Seton Hall in '89; Minnesota in '94; Utah under Majerus; Every SEC team that makes a tourney run once every 30 years (but for Florida and UK). Those are flash-in-the-pans.
UM is not.
EDIT: Double post.
Well consecutive years of National Runner-Up and an Elite 8 appearance are nothing at which to sneeze. Not a dynasty but Michigan is presently positioned as one of the top national programs.
Perceptions can definitely change but the program has made big strides these last few years.
Not sure if serious.
If serious, wow.
Let's go by what has happened in the 2010s thus far-
- 104-41 overall record including 31 wins in 2012-13, tying the program record set in 1992-93 but holding the top spot if you listen to the NCAA.
- 49-23 record in the B1G including the most wins out of ANY B1G team the last two seasons
- Two B1G Championships in three years. A missed tip-in from going 3-for-3
- 2013 National Finalist, NCAA Final Four, back-to-back Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens
- Back-to-back B1G Player of the Year winners
- The first-ever winner in program history Trey Burke.
- Two NBA first round draft picks (soon to be more), both of them being named First Team NBA All-Rookie
Not to mention Beilein turning low ranked recruits into stars. LeVert was going to go to a MAC school and Trey Burke was headed to PSU originally which has a MAC-level program.
Every year we hear about how Michigan isn't going to have a good year because they're losing this player and that player and blah blah. Well, I've yet to see it. Because Michigan just keeps losing players to graduation/the NBA, and keeps winning championships.
Yeah, Michigan may not have won the national championship in 2013. What they have done sure beats the hell out of what they did in the 90s and 2000s combined.
If you weren't serious, then I'm done.
He was the first Naismith winner in program history, is what I meant to say.
yes, that is how you recruit Michigan.
The question was how does someone negativly recruit Michigan, to which I think suggesting the success has been recent and not sustained (with a convienent sweet 16 stat) would be the approach.
2 Sweet 16s since '13*
the true answer is "what have you done for me lately." This can work for us and against us, considering the situation...and the sport.
He only hangs one banner a year?
1989 vs. Seton Hall.
Name me one. He takes NBA ready players andgives them high exposure. He books tournaments wgen noone else is playing. He lets players pad stats with cupcake games. How does he do when he doesn't have the most talented team? He loses. What is his excuse when he has the most talented team but doesn't win? They are young. He is the basketball equivalent to Nick Saban. Nothing more than a holding tank for players. The same playerscould benefit, or get their wweaknesses exposed, at other places. Calipari is a vacuum salesman. No disrespect to vacuum salesmen.
A few college coaches run the same style, preach the same defensive hustle and runs an openCourt. That doesn't means he develops players. Since you did not mention a well developed player he has coached, I think my point stands. Learn to not be a dick.
I wonder about this because I think you might be right - I don't know that, at this point in his career, Calipari would have to do much if at all, at least until the day Kentucky starts to really tank for an extended period. For better or worse, he's developed a system - it seems - where he doesn't need to keep kids in school one minute longer than they need to be and his reputation alone seems to grab him abnormal concentrations of elite or near-elite talent and Calipari doesn't usually flinch when entire teams go in the draft now - it only helps him and it means more such kids are coming. He's a shady man, but now his "system" is reaching a point where it almost sustains itself for the moment. If you can do all this, do you care what others say or do or do you feel compelled to slam others? I bet it is not foremost in Calipari's mind typically.
It's cold.
No cash.
No cars.
Only subs. It would be crazy.
Naw.....Calipari knows that the oldest tricks are still the best ones....
