Washington St athletics with money troubles

Submitted by Ezekiels Creatures on May 23rd, 2023 at 12:30 AM

 

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1660857296006594569

 

 

Vasav

May 23rd, 2023 at 1:35 AM ^

I don't get the folks on twitter who are cheering for our/their conference over this news. I'm officially an old college football fan.

the Glove

May 23rd, 2023 at 8:11 AM ^

This is just the cycle of college football. The pac-? destroyed itself once before and had to rebuild into a new conference named the same damn thing.  There has always been conference realignment. It is just a part of the game as what goes on on the field. Were you devastated when the Southwestern conference died and turned into the Big 12 in the '90s?

Vasav

May 23rd, 2023 at 9:23 AM ^

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/how-i-stopped-worrying-and-learned-tonot-hate-realignment

I was 8, so no. But yea that kinda sucked for TCU, SMU, Rice and Houston. And in hindsight i do feel for TCU and Houston about it, and even SMU to some extent. I feel for WVU too, even tho they're in a major conference, all their rivals left them behind. I'd feel for Wazzu, Oregon State, and even the much maligned Cal fans. The left behind with little prospects but who do care and played recently competitive football - yes i care for them.

the Glove

May 23rd, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^

West Virginia is absolutely the loser in all of this. The ACC destroyed the Big East football conference and now karma has come back for them. It was one thing when they took Miami and Virginia Tech, but when they came back for the death blow with Boston College, Syracuse and Pitt. 

There might be two super conferences that come out of this, but as history has shown they'll probably break up at some point. The Southern conference in the early 1900s housed both the SEC and ACC schools. Teams split and it ended up making three conferences.

Vasav

May 23rd, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^

It's also weird to me that we talk in terms of conferences - the ACC has 5 of the original 8 Big East schools, and half of the 12 that ever made the conference. The ACC and Big East basically merged. The old Big East is just fine, mostly as the ACC, or are Temple and USF - those 2 didn't get screwed, Temple especially just wasn't competitive. Cincy was in the same league and made the CFP. UConn remembered they're a basketball school and are happy in the New Big East. West Virginia got screwed. But when Clemson, FSU, Miami and others leave, who knows, maybe someone will call them back in to play Pitt and VT again.

Don

May 23rd, 2023 at 9:52 AM ^

Were you devastated when the Southwestern conference died and turned into the Big 12 in the '90s?

Not devastated, but I thought it sucked because it was the end of the old Big 8, which was a conference that had two of the biggest football powers in the country during the 1970s in OK and Nebraska, plus another historic and extremely bitter rivalry between Kansas and the school that my parents and sister went to, Missouri. 

The destruction of the Nebraska-Oklahoma rivalry is a crime against college football.

the Glove

May 23rd, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^

But those rivalries stuck around in the Big 12 though. You could also argue that it enhanced the Texas Oklahoma rivalry. It wasn't until 2012 when Nebraska left for the big 10 and Missouri & Texas a&m left for the SEC that it started messing up the rivalries. You could really blame the greed of Texas for the destruction of these rivalries.

Hypothetically maybe Texas a&m in the future leaves the SEC because of Texas. 

Naked Bootlegger

May 23rd, 2023 at 12:13 PM ^

Were you devastated when the Southwestern conference died and turned into the Big 12 in the '90s?

 

I wasn't devastated by the specific demise of the SWC, but it did officially usher in the era of 10+ team conferences that eliminated the optimal way to determine a conference champion - round robin play.   Everyone plays everyone within the conference schedule and a conference champ is crowned as the football gods intended.   

I'm in love with D3 football for many reasons, but a major one is the simplicity of the schedule.  3 non-conference matchups.   For the better D3 programs, at least one of the 3 non-conference games is against another D3 powerhouse or a D2 program.   Conference champions are determined by round robin play and receive an automatic bid to the D3 playoff.   A handful of coveted at-large playoff bids are also available.   

This model will likely never be adopted by D1 because of $$$$, but I personally would love to see it.   I still think the $$$$$ would work out, except that bowl moguls will be marginalized in the process.  

 

 

CFraser

May 23rd, 2023 at 3:18 AM ^

I’d like to see the books to see how badly they messed this up. Maybe it was such a drop in revenue that they couldn’t recover but how did they not have prudent reserves? Strange; you have essentially a multi-million dollar business with nobody securing the books. 🤷

JonnyHintz

May 23rd, 2023 at 5:07 AM ^

I mean, the “business” is designed to come as close to “breaking even” as possible. With the vast majority of ADs running at a net loss. 
 

Sure, they can fudge with the numbers a bit to get there but these “reserves” you speak of are non-existent for the most part. A revenue drop, and especially one that looks like it won’t recover in this case, is significant to a college athletics department. 
 

The book keeping failure is a problem in its own right, but it shows how small of a deviation from the budget can impact the ability to operate. 

trueblueintexas

May 23rd, 2023 at 11:12 AM ^

Then you will be wasting your time. That accounting issue was entirely within the DOD and  happened because someone initially chose one valuation model vs. another. Once the hire level auditors chimed in on which was the right model to use, it created the discrepancy. On the scale of the DOD budget, that "error" was worth .34% of the total budget. 

matty blue

May 23rd, 2023 at 5:30 AM ^

fucking whatever, man.

could you at least follow a few more people, so you’re not doing some weird brett mcmurphy mirror account thing?

dragonchild

May 23rd, 2023 at 9:46 AM ^

Don't do it again.  Or else.

Or, you know, just don't do it because this is real easy.  The relationship between Yoodub and Wazzu is ridiculously analogous to Michigan and STAEE.  Washington is considered academically superior, it's the urban darling to Wazzu's podunk irrelevance, Washington hasn't been perfect but Wazzu's AD is more consistently shameless, and Washington has historically dominated the football rivalry.  Washington leads the Apple Cup 75-33, Michigan leads their rivalry with STAEE 72-38.

Washington:Washington State::Michigan:Michigan State.  Once you know, you can't screw it up.

Ezekiels Creatures

May 23rd, 2023 at 6:10 PM ^

It sure seems a lot of information is being withheld from the public at this time. But Pac-12 problems are not new. They go back some years. USC and UCLA left because of problem that existed for a while. When the whole story comes out of what's been happening, who will the blame be pinned on? Will it go rightly onto the Pac-12 presidents who weren't awake on their feet over the years while problems were just left laying on the floor?

There's going to be some suffering coming soon to the schools left in the Pac-12, pay cuts, layoffs, some sports program cuts. The Pac-12 slow train wreck from neglect is far from done.

S.G. Rice

May 23rd, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^

What glee are you referring to?  There is no glee here.  There is definitely some astonishment that an organization (a "nonprofit") with Power 5 annual revenues is so badly mismanaged that there need to be cutbacks.

Credit to them, though, they only are paying the head football coach $2.7mm.