trump tweets BigTen may play w/o UM & MSU
September 6th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
I'm with ya...
September 6th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
Works as well as your link button.
September 6th, 2020 at 7:32 PM ^
Can we just delete this post now
September 6th, 2020 at 7:33 PM ^
Ah, so we’re gonna UChicago ourselves?
September 6th, 2020 at 7:48 PM ^
‘Ourselves’ from the guy with absolutely no connection to the university other than liking its sports teams.
September 6th, 2020 at 8:01 PM ^
C'mon. Fans are fans and WD is one of the most passionate.
September 7th, 2020 at 7:23 AM ^
I’m so confused. Did I just wake up from a 5 year long dream? I feel like I remember pictures of WD moving into his UM dorm. What did I miss in this alternate reality I just awoke to?
September 6th, 2020 at 8:15 PM ^
I'm curious what you mean by that. I hope not that the opinions of alumni are more legitimate. Because that would be moronic.
September 6th, 2020 at 10:11 PM ^
I am by no means interested in disparaging WD or other non-alum fans, as I was a non-alum fan for nearly 30 years of my life. But, outside of the fact that UM is a state university and therefore subsidized in part by state taxes, can you explain to me why it is moronic for someone to believe that the opinions of alumni regarding the direction of their alma mater matters more than the opinions of someone who happens to like the university's sports teams?
September 6th, 2020 at 10:55 PM ^
Because we are part of the greater university family and have vested interested in the welfare of the school? The reputation of the university matters to my career! And how many non-alums have donated (both time and money) to the university like I have (not just so that you can buy football tickets)?
September 6th, 2020 at 11:05 PM ^
If the reputation of the university matters to you because of your career, I assume you work for the university? If so, I absolutely agree that you are a major stakeholder in the university and that your opinion matters as much, if not more, than someone whose only relationship to the university is as a former student. That said, it was my interpretation based on OP's comment and WD's relationship to the university that OP was referring to people who are fans, not employees.
September 6th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
I am an alum, not an employee. And frankly don't care that much about somebody who has nothing to do with the university telling alumns how they should care about their school.
September 6th, 2020 at 11:36 PM ^
You misunderstood my post. OP said it is moronic for someone to value the opinions of alums over non-alums regarding the direction of the school. I was questioning why OP thought that was moronic.
TL;DR: you and I are arguing the same point.
September 7th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
Then you’re very dramatic and myopic about how the larger world looks at UM being worried more about safety than optics. No NFL team is going to blame the football team, either, or players, for the season not happening now.
You simply care about your interpretation of Schlissel’s decisions, and you care more about media fodder by sports personalities and smear head fans.
I am sure someone hiding is not going to look at a resume, see top 10 law school grad, and be like: no, your football team is silly so we won’t hire you.
September 6th, 2020 at 8:20 PM ^
Just yesterday you posted that you generally are not one to think less of UM fans who aren’t alums. You made it one day. Good for you, guy. Good for you.
September 6th, 2020 at 8:33 PM ^
Oh, please. I said generally, not universally. There are exceptions to every rule.
September 6th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
Using a mulligan on the first tee box?
September 6th, 2020 at 9:39 PM ^
Aka, “three off the tee” everywhere but the US
September 6th, 2020 at 8:40 PM ^
Wait is this where we're doing the Walmart Wolverine fight this year?
God that is my favorite part of every off-season on this board.
September 6th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^
I am not in favor the "Wal-Mart" wolverine appellation. People should and can be fans of any teams for whatever reasons. Until my loathing of Michael Jordan outweighed my respect for Dean Smith, I was a big UNC basketball fan.
That being said, we are in a weird situation where the stakes for the University are (at least potentially) greater than the importance of football or any other sports.
Not to slam WD, but if Michigan went "full Chicago,." I would still care about and be proud of my alma mater. I would be proud of the Nobel Laureates, the Macarthur Fellows, and other distinguished members of the alumni and faculty of the University. I would be proud of the education and opportunities that the University gave me and would continue to support its mission to give those opportunities and education to graduate and undergraduate students regardless of whether the University has Sports.
If you can't say the same, fine. But don't piss on the opinions of others who value the University for reasons that go beyond sports.
September 7th, 2020 at 3:30 AM ^
This is both true and untrue at the same time. Football should never be more important than school, but some people here don't realize that football distinguishes this school from others.
When I was searching schools 15 years ago, the only thing I knew about Michigan was football. This is true of most people in the NYC metro area and the Northeast generally. Pretty much all students from the NYC area were also accepted to NYU/BU/GW, and a lot were also accepted to the low level Ivies Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth. What distinguishes Michigan from the above schools is the football and the "college experience" that comes with it. Take away football, and there's no reason why I or anyone else from the Northeast would choose to attend over say, NYU.
Notre Dame is even more dependent on attracting students from the Northeast. Without football and the subway alums scattered along with eastern seaboard, Notre Dame would be a shell of itself, and these students would also attend NYU/BU/GW, low level Ivies, or Georgetown/Villanova/BC (if they insist on a Catholic school).
September 7th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^
I'm from the Bronx--born and bred in the Boogie Down, kid. I went to BC as an undergrad back in the mid-80s--I selected it over the SUNY schools I also got into because BC had a great football program, and I wanted that experience. It also helped that Doug Flutie's senior year was my freshman year. I wouldn't and still wouldn't go to NYU if you paid me. No one I know who went there liked it, and they're a terrible employer. I went to Michigan for grad school ten years ago and had different considerations--the UM grad school I attended was rated either #2 or #3 of all American programs and high ranking were my priority. But, yeah, the football and basketball programs definitely sweetened the deal, since I've ALWAYS loved college football and was a huge Fab Five fan. Also, I knew people from high school who attended Michigan in the 80s, and they threw me Go Blues on my facebook account, which felt good. They clearly loved the experience back in the day as undergrads.
September 7th, 2020 at 4:23 AM ^
I am not sure I totally understand. If Michigan went "full Chicago," OK, GO BLUE. We'd be better at that, too. Kind of limited thing Chicago is good at, and Michigan's Law, Economics, and History is better too. What's the threat?
September 7th, 2020 at 11:31 AM ^
FWIW, I am an alum AND I shop at Walmart, especially walmart.com. It was the only place I could find toilet paper a few months back.
September 6th, 2020 at 9:03 PM ^
I don’t care about the school. I’m a fan of the sports teams. Why is that so hard for people like you to understand?
Gusss what? A majority of OUR fans didn’t go to U-M. At least the more passionate ones. Same can be said for every big boy flagship program
September 6th, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^
Says a guy too dumb to ever be admitted to the school.
September 6th, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^
Wow, just wow. You're a harbinger of empathy, respect, and kindness
September 6th, 2020 at 9:33 PM ^
If you went you obviously didn't learn much.
September 6th, 2020 at 9:34 PM ^
I have $0 in student loan debt at 25, a job good enough to let me get whatever Michigan stuff I want (or really any stuff as we just got a gigantic 4K TV) and live close enough now to go to whatever Michigan games I want.
I guess I’ll just have to settle with my BGSU degree ?
September 6th, 2020 at 11:12 PM ^
I certainly hope that YOU are not an alum, if so, you give epitomize the arrogant asses comment.
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September 6th, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^
The football team and its fans would not be nixing itself. The school and its alumni would. So you are not apart of the “we” in your sentence. That’s the gist of what Detroit was trying to say.
September 6th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^
WD, this is a pretty sad statement. I grew up a Michigan fan and was set to go there. My Dad had other plans for me and I respected his recommendation. It worked out very well for me.
Now I’m a fan of my alma mater and Michigan. I respect Michigan for it’s academics as much as athletics. I can speak with equal capability about it’s R&D programs as I can the athletic programs.
I may be old fashioned but I think college fans have some responsibility for caring about the school’s academic endeavors as well as athletic. If not, you really don’t respect the idea of student-athlete. And other than a very small percentage who know they will go pro, they are student athletes.
September 7th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
I think it's awesome that U-M is a great school. And I love hearing about our athletes doing well with their work.
But U-M could be a Kentucky-level academic institution and it wouldn't change a thing for me. I'm a fan because I grew up watching the Michigan Wolverines play and went to games with my step dad.
I make it very clear that I don't claim the academic side. That doesn't apply to me because I didn't go there, so I distance myself from it. Was never a dream of mine to even go there as a kid, I just wanted to be a Michigan Football season ticket holder some day. Any path to get there is the one I wanted to travel down.
Who do you really think likely has a better understanding of Michigan tradition? An out of state student who became a fan of the team just because he got accepted into the school or someone who has been a fan their entire life?
September 7th, 2020 at 5:43 PM ^
I think both have an equal ability to be a great fan of the school and athletic teams.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:42 AM ^
Yes, what would that student ever know about Michigan, Michigan football, and the traditions after having lived on campus for 4+ years, attending years of games in the student section, and interacting with others in the Michigan family on campus for years....
Look man, it's great you really, really like Michigan. But diminishing the impact of the student/alumni experience is just as off base as someone calling you a Walmart Wolverine
September 6th, 2020 at 11:04 PM ^
What are the sports teams without the school?
September 6th, 2020 at 11:08 PM ^
I think you need to understand there are fans of the sports teams here and fans of the school.
As an alum I want the best decisions made for the school, and not necessarily the football team. And, as a university first, those are the decisions we want to be making.
It is great that you're a super fan. There are many great fans that never went there. No one is doubting that. But Michigan is a world class university first and a football team second
September 7th, 2020 at 12:54 AM ^
Actually, it was the football team in the 70s that got me interested in attending Michigan, so I did. So my football fandom as a youth allowed me to motivate my lazy self to get into Michigan. I wish I was athletic enough to play football but I was too slow. I'm proud of my Michigan degree but if not for the football team I may have not had the interest and went elsewhere for my college education.
September 7th, 2020 at 4:26 AM ^
Every Michigan home game against Ohio has 25,000-30,000 Ohio fans thx to Michigan students. Just sayin.
September 7th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^
I don't think you understand how student seating works at all....
September 6th, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
Grow up. You’re no better than Spartan fans who use Walmart Wolverine as a smear
September 6th, 2020 at 9:51 PM ^
So, I went to NYU. Should I just go fuck myself though I grew up a Wolverine from the womb? And I'm 40.
September 6th, 2020 at 11:15 PM ^
....and I bet you are a man too!
/Mike Gundy'ed
September 6th, 2020 at 7:52 PM ^
So the governor of Michigan allows Michigan HS football but is holding back Michigan and MSU...who have much more money, testing capabilities, etc.?
September 6th, 2020 at 8:12 PM ^
High schools don't have to play in Ohio or New Jersey.
September 6th, 2020 at 8:15 PM ^
So the Governor of Michigan is holding back Michigan and Michigan State because they'll come in contact with regularly tested humans from those two states or it's just the fact that they'll be in those states?
How does this work if you play Ohio State in Detroit or Indianapolis?
September 6th, 2020 at 11:52 PM ^
You follow the team and conference closely. Just take a second and think how stupid that tweet is. The Michigan schools alone can't stop the conference from voting to go forward, Whitmer had no say on this topic (and is allowing sports to be played), and there are SEVERAL other schools in the conference that are strongly opposed to fielding a team. There's no reason to single out Michigan and MSU. So why are we having this mindless conversation? Votes. F*cking votes in November. This isn't about Michigan or MSU football. It's a sloppy attempt to anger Michigan voters in a state run by a Democrat. The tweet is so stupid and childish I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually Stephen A. Smith who posted it to start up a moronic sports debate.
September 7th, 2020 at 9:53 AM ^
I mean, SAS is a moron, but don't underestimate Trump's talent at idiotic tweeting. He's way better at it that SAS. And anyone else, for that matter...
September 6th, 2020 at 8:26 PM ^
Wtf would you believe anything that comes out of trumps mouth? The governor has exactly zero to do with anything.