Trey Burke is still clutch

Submitted by Tate on

I came across this article on Twitter. 

We're in a down period of good news, so I thought some of you may enjoy this. 

Trey Burke's height may not have adjusted well to the NBA, but his clutch factor did.

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Fuzzy Dunlop

October 10th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^

I'm all for statistical analysis, and normally am one of those who get frustrated when jocks dismiss advanced metrics by claiming that us nerds can't possibly use our numbers to understand the game as well as they do, etc.

That said, anyone who has played a sport on any level knows that pressure has an effect on performance.  Hell, I get the yips when I have a short putt to clinch a mini-golf win.  Of course some people handle that pressure better than others.  It's not that some players perform better when the game is on the line -- it's that their performance stays steady regardless of the situation.  That is the real definition of clutch, and to deny its existence is to deny human nature.

nowicki2005

October 10th, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^

always literally about a 90% guy on my free throws in practice but for games, I shot about 50%. In baseball though, my best hits always came in full counts the last couple innings when the game was close. I was always able to just mental bear down and focus in. Hit .400 so its not like I wasn't getting a lot of hits just a different mindset/confidebce when the game was late in baseball

ZooWolverine

October 10th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^

I am in the "clutch does not exist" camp, but I do still believe in grace (or yips) under pressure. I think it's undeniable that some people get worse in high-pressure situations, and I think it's also likely that some people get a little better. I would even argue that there are patterns--but I think that has a lot to do with the "oh crap, not again" feeling that some don't handle well (John Cooper) or "I've been here before, I'll stay calm and composed" (Derek Jeter, I guess). I think randomness trumps "clutch" by far.

Trey Burke is a perfect example: if his last season ends after the Big Ten Tournament, I think there's no way to argue that Burke is clutch at all. Coming down to the wire, with the Big Ten regular season championship on the line, Burke missed game-winning shots against Wisconsin and Indiana. Remember that Josh Bartelstein described being 2 seconds in the future against Kansas by saying that he kept telling Burke he would eventually hit the big shot--not because he thought that Burke always did, but because he had missed them up to that point.

Tom Brady was the clutchiest clutch that ever clutched because he won all three Super Bowls he ever appeared in, and then he obviously lost the next three. Nobody's arguing that he's not great under pressure, but the "great players just win" style of clutch really feels like an impact of humans being designed to see patterns, and to want to see patterns.

Noleverine

October 10th, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^

There is a certain level of confirmation bias going on when people call a player "clutch." One of the most "clutch" players of all time, Michael Jordan, said this: "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed..." 

People don't remember those failures, only the successes. However, that is not saying that he didn't hit more game-winning shots than others, but people forget about the failures, and focus on successes, because they support the point of a player being "clutch."

UMaD

October 10th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^

Every study that's ever looked at this stuff says 'clutch' performance boils down to randomness. Everyone does react differently to pressure, but to hypothesize that the reactions affect performance is dubious when no one can find ANY statistical proof that it is so.

Any baseball fan will tell you guys go through 'slumps' and 'hot streaks' and results are sometimes random.  One day a guy goes 3-4, the next he goes 0-4, then the next it's 0-3 with a walk.  He is not a great Wednesday hitter, it's just randomness.

Trey is a great clutch player because he is a great player. 22 three-point attempts tells you nothing.  You can pull his numbers for any 2 or 3 minute chunk of the game and find similar outliers.  Trey just kills it in the 13th-15th minute of every game.  MAKE SURE HE IS IN THE GAME THEN, because guy is clutch at the start of 2nd quarters.

MayOhioEatTurds

October 10th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

Right.  Because Robert Horry's randomness is just better than his teammates' randomness.  Which is why, within the last minute or so of a close game, teammates tried so hard to get the ball in Horry's hands. 

Look, Horry was a great shooter all game long.  But during the last minute of play, with the game on the line, with the opponent knowing full well the ball would go to Horry, his teammates still got him the ball.  They did so not only because he was a great shooter all game long, but because in highly pressurized late game scenarios he still shot the ball well--even though the defense was all over him.

People like this--the Reggie Millers, the MJs, the Horrys--are not merely good shooters.  Nor is their "randomness" simply better than others' "randomness" for a whole career.  They have a gift for focusing during big moments.  Anyone who has partipated in a competetive performace activity--from classical piano to middle school basketball--has experienced this phenomenon.  The vast majority of people fail when the pressure is on in spite of being highly skilled.  Performers who are clutch stand out like a sore thumb.  They have a gift, and the interesting part of that gift is that they are not merely skilled generally:  They remain skilled when it counts most. 

That being said, going one game better than .500 in tight games (like this article said the Jazz did) is not "clutch" by any stretch . . . . 

HipsterCat

October 10th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^

Feeding a player who is statiscally more likely to hit shots makes that player clutch? Consistent shooters are consistent, regardless of time or place. MJ still had off nights where he missed a game winner, had seasons where he couldnt pull out that playoff series. 

David Tyree made arguably one of the clutchest catches in recent sports during that giants/pats super bowl. Is he now clutch? Cause he was out of football in a season or two after despite being in his prime age. 

Remember when Lebron "wasnt clutch", or how everybody asks is Eli/Flaco/Stafford/Dalton/Romo/(insert QB who has won some games and lost other ones) elite? 

Is Peyton "Clutch" or Brady or Brees or Luck or Wilson? Those are just good QBs who are consistently good. Clutch is just a narative tool used to describe people and characterize how they play. 

Can you name any Superstars who consistely have poor 4th quarters of games? or any under the radar players who have a distinct uptick in performance in the 4th? I can't, because its never consistent. Players can get "hot" at the end of a game and if it happens in the playoffs or in the superbowl we call them "clutch" but its just flukey. 

UMaD

October 10th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^

because people were freaking out about the guy who was the better player. It's the same reason Derek Fisher and Steve Kerr were clutch. There are countless times that Horry did NOT get the ball. The vast majority of the time.  Parker, Ginobili, Duncan got the ball first.  Rasheed Wallace freaks and leaves Robert Horry open. Ball rotates and there it is...

People trusted these guys to be in at clutch time because they were good players for those situations (i.e., they could hit an open shot). They are RELIABLE complementary players - not just in the clutch, but always.

Yes - Miller and MJ and Lebron ARE "merely" good shooters. They didn't have better numbers in the clutch over their career.

"The vast majority of people fail when the pressure is on" -- something you just made up. 

I'm sure there are cases where some guys can't handle the stress or thrive in it, but the majority of people are who they and we make up narratives to justify randomness.

restive neb

October 10th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

Some, not all studies, show this, and I would contend that it is due to flaws in the studies. Sports are complex, and it's difficult to capture the effects of that complexity when you can't run a controlled trial -- compiling statistics of games is VERY far from a controlled trial. There was a study in the 1980s that showed that there was no such thing as a "hot hand" in basketball, that a player who had hit five shots in a row was no more likely to hit/miss the sixth shot. However, unless that study can block for how a defense will adjust, or how much more difficult a shot that player is willing to attempt due to soaring confidence, the study has little merit. A subsequent study, in fact, showed there WAS such a phenomenon as the "hot hand," and found that some players were statistical outliers -- that if they hit 3 or 4 shots in a row, they were much more likely to hit the next shot. From that study, the player who stood out most dramatically was a Detroit Piston, someone who was known for heating up and getting on a role: Vinnie "the Microwave" Johnson. I've never met anyone who has played a lot of competitive sports who doesn't KNOW that his confidence affects his performance. If you doubt yourself, you are less likely to perform at your peak. If you lack focus, you will not achieve the highest level. "Clutch" players are focused and confident in tough situations, and therefore perform at their peak. And SOME studies, that are constructed properly, actually support it.

Flying Dutchman

October 10th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

My two best games as an all-conference high school basketball player were when I was sick as a dog with the flu.    They didn't contain 'clutch moments' like last second shots because we blew the teams out, mostly due to my own early barrage.  These were both outings like 15-18 in the first quarter and then finish with 22-26 because I'm sitting in the 2nd half or even in the locker room.

There is something that the studies miss or can't account for.   Those were scenarios where I personally didn't want to think about anything, I just wanted to get out, play hard, win game, go home, sleep.   Other games that didn't go as well, I may have felt a lot better, or maybe simply thought too much about the opponent I was playing or the shot I was taking.    Those 2 big flu games, I didn't care what the circumstances were, who the opponent was, or which one of them had the misfortune to guard me.

Maybe its the adverse condition, the sickness, or in Horry's case, the pressure, that will make someone thrive.   I don't understand it either, and I'm sure it has something to do with confidence, but I'm also sure there is a component of "not thinking too much".

South Bend Wolverine

October 10th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

Could you provide a link to the studies you mention that do show a hot hand?  I saw one based on baseball recently, but it was so methodologically flawed as to be useless.  I'd be interested to take a look at others.

Also, on another note, I absolutely hate the raw arrogance of statments like this: "I've never met anyone who has played a lot of competitive sports who doesn't KNOW that his confidence affects his performance."  I've played sports my entire life, from the playground as a kid to various different rec leagues now as an adult.  I would play sports every night for hours if I had the time & opportunity.  I don't believe in clutch, because I've never seen it show up in a methodologically sound study, and I've never seen it put points on the board.  I've seen a good shot put points on the board.  I've seen bad decision-making take points off the board.  I've never seen clutch, I've never seen momentum, I've never seen "mentality".

That's the great thing about sports - the raw purity of it.  Does your thing put points on the board?  Then I want it.  Does it take points off the board?  Then I don't want it.  Does it have no effect on the score?  Then I'll ignore it.

But don't tell me that oh, if I had just played sports, I'd know.  I've played my whole life.  I know.  Stop condescending.

restive neb

October 10th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

I was speaking to a near-universal experience of performing at peak level, and conveying that the experience should not be discounted simply because we're having trouble quantifying the experience or modeling it mathematically. I wasn't arguing that you haven't had sufficient experience, but rather that you were perhaps too quick to disregard empirical evidence unless you had a model to support it. As far as the source is concerned, I'll try to come up with it, but the study I'm referencing was detailed in a book that was a collection of sports-related statistical studies that I was given as a gift in the early- to-mid 1990s, and I've long since misplaced it. Update: So far no luck on my search, but here is an article about a fairly new study... http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/research-supports-the-no…

Noleverine

October 10th, 2014 at 1:33 PM ^

In sport psychology, we are constantly discussing the shortcomings of studies trying to research "clutch" or, on the flip-side, "choking." We can do our best to try to mimic the situations in a laboratory setting, but in my opinion, we still don't do a good job of localizing the actual phenomena discussed.

For example, in a study of choking, researchers might use a novel task, such as throwing a ball in to a bucket, or a learned skill such as free throws. Then, they will introduce some sort of stress stimulus (usually time pressure, but also things like cameras and monetary rewards for performance, to increase the pressure.) Then, when they don't perform as well as before, they say they "choked."

Well.... no. They just reacted differently under pressure-- choking is much more multifacted and complicated than that. So researchers find these things, and ascribe popular words to them, like clutch, or choking, when really what they found was a pressure-induced performance decline. 

A better option is studying it in the field, but there are so many other things going on that it would be impossible to control for everything. This is one of the ongoing discussions in sport psych, with everyone trying their own little changes to the research studies.

In my professional opinion, we would be much better off forming theories to fit the evidence, as opposed to trying to illicit "clutch" or "choking" performances for the sake of popular understanding of these complicated phenomena.

/rant

UMaD

October 10th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

Nobody said confidence doesn't matter. The question is if it fluctuates enough from person to person when pressure is applied to be deemed significant. Some people might not feel the pressure at all, other might feel it but have it not alter their confidence, reaction times, or any other aspect of their performance at all. Some may be affected, but it's not significant enough to be proveable.

Otherwise, you make great points about the studies not being 100% definitive. I should correct my statement to say MOST studies show that the clutch stuff is BS. 

Someone earlier brought up human nature and one thing that is consistently found in many areas, including sports but going way beyond to religion and many other relms -- it's human nature to ascribe a rational explanation for things that we can not explain. This is the foundation of religions going back to ancient times. You don't have to watch a lot of sports to hear announcers saying absolutely non-sensical things as ways to explain what just happened. Sometimes there is no explanation needed, the thing just happened.

The argument for this boils down to "I don't believe the scientific evidence".  Which, OK - sometimes science is wrong or too primitive to be meaningful - but most of the time it's right, IMO.

 

Nitro

October 10th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

Clutchness is actually pretty simple to explain. The big, tense moments affect people's mental states differently -- it causes some to focus better, while others become more distracted by the pressure moments. If you're able channel in on a desire to win, you'll be more successful in the big moments. If you're thinking about what happens if you don't make the play (or thinking more about "being the man"), you're less likely to be clutch. We're not robots. All Jordan ever cared about on the court was winning, so while not perfect, he had a very high rate of success in clutch moments.

JamieH

October 11th, 2014 at 1:50 AM ^

Anyone who watched Vinnie Johnson play and tries to deny the existence of streak shooting needs their head examined.  If he hit a few shots in a row you might as well forget it, he was giong to be unstoppable.  Didn't matter if you guarded him or not, he was just going to light it up.

On the flip side, if he missed his first few shots, you might as well pull him out of the game, because he was going to be useless. 


This pattern repeated itself so often over the course of his career that it was almost a joke.  The Portland Trailblazers were the last butt of this joke when Vinnie nailed down the 2nd of the PIstons back-to-back titles by single-handedly destroying them in the 4th quarter of Game 5 of the NBA Finals in 1990.  He could have been shooting blindfolded.  Didn't matter.  Everything he put up was going to go in. 

South Bend Wolverine

October 10th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

I know you're going to catch some grief for this, but it needs to be said.  The numbers in the article are all well below levels of statistical significance, and also don't account for anything about how coaching, different situations, etc. might impact things.  The best line by far, though, is this: "Clutch is defined in the NBA as a game with a five points or less deficit between teams within the last five minutes and overtime, and the Jazz were surprisingly good in clutch game situations games in 2013-14, going 9-7 in games decided by five points or less."  So, when faced with 50-50 situations, the Jazz were one game better than 50-50?  And this counts as "surprisingly good"?  Awesome.

South Bend Wolverine

October 10th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

No, it's not.  You're not taking into account sampling bias.  That's like saying wow, the Jazz won all their games where they were aheadby 15+ in the last two minutes.  They're really good when they're ahead by 15+!  Games that come down to a situation where it's w/in 5 points in the last 5 minutes are essentially toss-ups every time.  A crappy team might not have very many games like that because they get blown out a lot, but once they are in that situation, it's still basically a 50-50 shot.  By choosing a sample of very close games, they have made it highly likely that the Jazz will have a better record in those games than their record as a whole - precisely because all the blow outs have been eliminated from the sample.

Gustavo Fring

October 10th, 2014 at 12:05 PM ^

Last year he was mostly just a spot-up shooter, but he actually went 10-11 from the FT line in the Knicks first game.  They struggled as a whole offensively, as they are getting adjusted to the triangle.  But THJ could be the second scorer the Knicks have desperately needed for a long time.  

TheDirtyD

October 10th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

He hit one of the most clutch shots in MBB history. He led the resurgence of the program. In my mind he can do no wrong on a basketball court and his number should be hanging from the rafters.

I hope D. Green and Peppers do the same for football.

MGoRob

October 10th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^

I think they need to redefine clutch.

"Jazz were surprisingly good in clutch game situations games in 2013-14, going 9-7 in games decided by five points or less."

So you're saying when the score was nearly tied towards the end of a game, they won about 50% of the time (56% exactly). Law of averages, man, low of averages.  This is nothing special.

Also, could they use the word "game" any more?

Perkis-Size Me

October 10th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

I loved watching him play here for the short time that we had him. The stage was never too big for him, and it often seemed like the bigger the stage, the better game he had. He sank arguably the most clutch shot in the history of this program, and nearly willed this team to a national title all by himself.

As long as we have Beilein, we will have great point guards, but we will never have another Trey Burke.

Ivan Karamazov

October 10th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^

Half the comments here are in praise of Trey and his accomplishments while on the MMB team.

The other half of the comments have gone off into a deep statistical discussion of what "clutch" is/does it exist.

Best of both worlds IMO.