TomVH: Kyshoen Jarrett's Top List
I've been mentioning that PA DB Keyshoen Jarrett was coming out with a top list soon, and he's finally ready. The top schools on his list are Michigan, Illinois, MSU, U Conn, Penn State, Pitt, Stanford, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
This is the first cut that he's made. He'll cut the list down again around August 16th, to see who will get official visits.
good news. Thanks Tom.
for too long to not know that Tim has already compiled an in depth list of all recruits with Michigan on their radar. It is located under the "useful stuff" tab at the top right of your screen.
Tom VH: How Rivals hates that name.
Black parents are clearly just fucking with the system now. And I love it.
might say the same thing about white parents who name their kids "Harley" or "Gauge."
Edit: Apparently some of you disagree. Are you disagreeing for a reason other than because I didn't find Charlie Sheen's comment as funny as you did? I realize that he didn't mean anything by it, nor was it particularly offensive, but I still thought it was unneccesary. Some parents take naming their kids to a level that borders the ridiculous, but it is not unique to African Americans. And personally, given a choice, I'd much rather have a unique name (or unique interpretation of a common name) than be named after a shotgun. That is all.
No, it actually is kind of unique to African-Americans. And attention-whore celebrities. You cannot tell me you look at a name like D'Brickashaw or Plaxico and think there's an equal chance the guy could be white, black, Asian, or Hispanic.
It's a good point:
- D'Jericho Johnson = Black
- Cristobal Santana = Latino
- Winthrop Worthington III = White
- Leilani Safflower Jade Appleblossom = Celebrity
of unique. Besides Harley and Guage, I know kids named Hunter, Fisher, Parker, Easton, River.....
I sort of agree, and I generally have more sympathy for black families who come up with wacky names for their kids than I do for white folks who appear to pick names out of a J Crew color palette.
However, it is nevertheless true that names like Hunter, while turning me purple with rage, are actual words and professions. What, on the other hand, is a "Barkevious"?
I know kids named Hunter, Fisher, Parker, Easton, River.....
As do I, except for Easton. Can't be all that unique. You can find them pretty easily on baby name lists. Along with names like Jamal and Lakeisha, in case you might be thinking the lists are white-centric.
1 in 1,000,000 or 1 in 5,000. I consider both to be unique. The intent of my original comment was to suggest that what one person considers odd or unique is not necessarily the same for everyone or, in other words, what is trendy for some may seem odd to others and vice versa.
This discussion has gone way too far. Kyshoen, we want you in blue.
Ram
Dakota
Sierra
Colorado
F-150
(that last one, I kid. I kid.)
Favorite name evah? Out on the west side of Michigan's LP, Holland area. Dude's nameplate states "Herk Lastname." We joked it was short for Herkules. (The Dutch influence...Herkemer.)
My cousin works in the maternity ward in a hospital in Columbus. A mother named her child "Mydreamkitchen", because she had saved up for her dream kitchen, but when she got pregnant, the money was then going toward the baby.
Guess which ethnicity..
...how many named their kids Tressel, Terrelle or Brutus?
The worst I have seen is L-a, pronounced LaDasha.
I've seen that too.. but this may overtake it:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/How-junior…
P.S. Brian had me laughing for a good five minutes when he commented on a man named La El pledging to LSU, which translates into "The The" in Spanish.
Is that his ordering, or did you list Michigan first because this is obviously a fairly Michigan-centric blog? I'm not sure if recruits even say what order their lists are when they're still this long... but if we're actually first, that's definitely a good sign
That's not the order, the order is different on scout.
but dont trust the scout order, it's usually crap. unless a guy comes out and says he has a leader, and then scout puts him on high interest for that team, they usually just make assumptions to give teams their interest.
My point was that there is no order, and I'm not talking about the list on his profile, rather the order he listed them in the scout article.
But personally I think his name is up there with Valdez Showers for coolest name in the class. I'll take him.
This list is heavily weighted toward schools with good academics, which makes me think that UofM, Stanford and PSU (home state with top tier football and solid academics) might be the favorites.
Can't say I quite understand MSU or UConn though. And Virginia's football program has been pathetic for most of its history (including most of the past 20 years; they won a share of the ACC with a freak upset of #2 ranked FSU in 1995, but otherwise bupkus), so why go there if you can go to a school that offers both?
Hey, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but fuck you, buddy. I recommend an overhaul of your definition of the word "pathetic" cause 215-99-1 ain't it.
Hey, so you are a Virginia fan. Great. Feel free to substitute whatever word you like better than pathetic. It still will not change the fact that they haven't exactly been all that relevant:
First Season: 1888
All-time Record: 599-520-48
National Championships: 0
Conference Titles: 3
Consensus All Americans: 11
Hey, if he's choosing schools based on how they did in the '50s and '60s, I guess UVA's out of the running. Some recruits do. Not all of them. I'm guessing with schools like UConn and Illinois on the list, Jarrett's not too worried about it. Cite all the numbers you want, it doesn't wash away the ignorance in your first post.
(By the way, a mistake earlier: it's 143-99-1, which is about a game and a half worse than Michigan over the last 20 years.)
Cite all the numbers you want, it doesn't wash away the ignorance in your first post.
Yes, why let facts get in the way of your opinions.
However, for those who think facts matter, here are the records of all of Virginia's coaches going back to 1929:
| Earl C. Abell |
1929-1930
|
2
|
19
|
8
|
9
|
2
|
.474
|
| Fred T. Dawson |
1931-1933
|
3
|
29
|
8
|
17
|
4
|
.345
|
| Gus K. Tebell |
1934-1936
|
3
|
28
|
6
|
18
|
4
|
.286
|
| Frank J. Murry |
1937-1945
|
9
|
80
|
41
|
34
|
5
|
.544
|
| Arthur L. "Art" Guepe |
1946-1952
|
7
|
66
|
47
|
17
|
2
|
.727
|
| Ned L. McDonald |
1953-1955
|
3
|
28
|
5
|
33
|
0
|
.179
|
| Ben Martin |
1956-1957
|
2
|
20
|
6
|
13
|
1
|
.325
|
| Richard "Dick" Voris |
1958-1960
|
3
|
30
|
1
|
29
|
0
|
.033
|
| Bill Elias |
1961-1964
|
4
|
40
|
16
|
23
|
1
|
.413
|
| George Blackburn |
1965-1970
|
6
|
61
|
28
|
33
|
0
|
.459
|
| Don Lawrence |
1971-1973
|
3
|
33
|
11
|
22
|
0
|
.333
|
| Sonny Randle |
1974-1975
|
2
|
22
|
5
|
17
|
0
|
.227
|
| Dick Bestwick |
1976-1981
|
6
|
66
|
16
|
49
|
1
|
.250
|
| George Welsh |
1982-2000
|
19
|
223
|
134
|
86
|
3
|
.608
|
| Al Groh |
2001-2009
|
9
|
112
|
59
|
53
|
0
|
.527
|
In my original comment, I gave Virginia credit for being a good academic school, but questioned why a four-star recruit would go there for football when he could go instead to Stanford or Michigan or PSU. The only two conference championships Virginia has won in modern times (1989, 1995) were shared with Duke and FSU and were before BC, VaTech and Miami joined the conference. Virginia also just fired their coach of nine years for poor performance (barely over 50%). What exactly is the football "value" that this four-star recruit is supposed to see in Virginia?
Maybe we get a different view by looking at Virginia football in different eras. Unfortunately for the Cavaliers, going all the way back to 1929, only 4 out of a total of 15 Virginia football coaches have winning records. George Welsh, arguably the greatest coach in Virginia football history, only won 60% of his games. Like it or not, what the above history shows is, except for a couple of blips 20-25 years ago, Virginia has been more or less irrelevant in football for most of its history.
And your response is to call me ignorant and to suggest Virginia football is comparable to Michigan football? As I said earlier, pathetic.
And your response is to call me ignorant and to suggest Virginia football is comparable to Michigan football?
Impressive straw man. What you actually said was:
Virginia's football program has been pathetic for most of its history (including most of the past 20 years
Which is really the most ignorant thing of all, since it's actually in the past 20-25 years that UVA's been good. Face it: you made an ignorant statement without really knowing the history of what you were talking about, and now you're researching as you go, and trying to pick apart what I say in order to discredit my argument that four losing seasons in 20 years is not, in fact, "pathetic." And changing the terms of the debate as well; first it's "pathetic," now we back off that and say, "more or less irrelevant."
And Stanford? Really? A recruit should go to Stanford instead of UVA for a "relevant" football program? Are we talking about the same Stanford here? The one where you have to go back to 1941 to find a coach as successful as "only 60%" George Welsh? Is that the kind of fact that matters to you, or were we just throwing out names you thought would sound impressive?
Hey, like I said, if a recruit picks his football programs based solely on what matters to you, which seems to be how a program was doing in the 50's, 60's, and 70's (or earlier, since Stanford is part of this equation) then yup, UVA's out of the running. But there's also the possibility, however slim and remote, that the football "value" a recruit sees in a program has something to do with how he likes the head coach, his position coach, the scheme, the current group's successes and failures, the stadium, the facilities, his future teammates, etc. etc. I mean, I'm sure there must be some recruit somewhere that doesn't care how Dick Bestwick did, right?
Yes, let's face it together. Here is my statement (bold added for emphasis):
Virginia's football program has been pathetic for most of its history (including most of the past 20 years
Virginia barely has a winning record (.527) over the past nine years under Al Groh (the coach they just fired) and has an only slightly better record if you look at the entire 20-year period (.588). And as you quite appropriately point out, the past 20 years have been among the best in Virginia's history! If you do not think that is pathetic for a BCS school with a supposedly highly respected football program, fine. I do. I cannot think of a word that fits better, actually.
To be sure, over the past 20 years, I can find only one significant accomplishment that would seem to drag Virginia out of football obscurity -- Virginia beat FSU in 1995 to win a share of the ACC title (when the only competition in the league was FSU). And then they went on to win the Peach Bowl. Great. Congratulations. Again, I gave them the nod for this heroic achievement by saying "most of" the past 20 years in my original post. My statement was, for Virginia fans, painfully accurate.
But, since you continue to call me ignorant, prove it. What else has Virginia football accomplished over the past twenty years that is so notable that my failure to take note of it makes me ignorant?
pronounce that? I think Jose Jose was the best name for a recruit, I think he went to Tennessee
Pronounce like Kai-Shawn
After every play he seems pumped up and vocal which is just what we need in our secondary right now. It would be great if we could get someone to step up this year in our secondary and be a vocal leader to our youth. I am really hoping it is Woolfolk.
We really need corners. Plucking a very good one from Penn State's back yard would be a nice acomplishment.
No matter what your parents named you, it's never too late to get a uniqname; I think all students and faculty at the University get one.
This would be a HUGE pickup
Back in the 1980s Oklahoma had 2 brothers who played on their football team. The last name was Hipp first names were I.M. and U. R. Unique to say the least. This school year I had African American students in my class with names such as: Damarius, Quantae, Quinest, Rasheed, Deonte, Aisha, jayQuan, AnDrienna, Martwan, Reosha, Viccorion, Ju-Relle, Fanisha, and Qua'jane(Qwa/ja/nay). Yes, these are the actual spellings. In speaking to some of the parents, uniqueness was sought after when name selections were made.
Mike Cox. Say it 10 times fast.