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Tom Izzo suspended one game for secondary violations
It's seriously difficult to run a program in this day and age and not break a few here and there. It's a matter of degrees. I am surprised to hear that he's suspended, though.
What I'm hearing is the NCAA contacted MSU about the possible violation. The MSU AD and our compliance people got together with Izzo and decided to suspend him for one game. They called the NCAA up and asked them if that was punishment enough and would resolve the issue, the NCAA said yes.
For real? Too bad we couldn't just "call up the NCAA" and say, "Hey, we counted a few practice hours wrong. We've docked ourselves double the amount. Is that OK?" Sure would've saved a lot of time, money, effort, and agony.
That is kind of what we did do, except for the violation "failure to foster an atmosphere of compliance" that is the one we did fight.
You missed my point. Apparently Izzo's issue was resolved with a phone call. Michigan went through a months-long investigation, an infractions hearing, millions of dollars, etc.
(And just for the record, while I've been pretty down on RR lately, I still do not think the Practicegate crap is anything to be held against him. I'm sure there are plenty of programs guilty of those "major" violations.)
The only reason Izzy had to sit was because it's a new rule that requires any contact- intentional or not, to be dealt with. Hitting Izzy with a game guarantee every D1 coach will take the rule book to bed with them tonight. Something tells me, too, Izzy won't be the last because the rule is vague.
Who qualifies as an "individual associated with a prospect"? (This is apparently where the issue occurred; Izzo didn't think whoever the camp worker in question qualified and the NCAA disagrees.) Does it have to be someone associated with a prospect you're actively recruiting?
If this is the interpretation that the NCAA is going to use, every summer basketball camp is pretty much permanently ended now; you can't hire AAU or high school coaches even for camp unless there's absolutely no chance they'll ever be coaching a player you might want to recruit.
Frankly, it's an absolute joke that Izzo is getting more of a punishment for this than Calipari has for getting entire seasons wiped off the record books at two different schools. This is as overblown as the excess stretching at Michigan (not getting the forms in in a manner that could be considered even remotely "timely" might have brought the hammer down harder on you, but the actual violation seemed a difference of interpretation only).
While I do like the idea that Izzo is dirty, I unfortunately have an extremely hard time believing he is. This is probably pretty ridiculous considering what some coaches get away with.
I'm surprised it wasn't our football team cited for "secondary" violations.
Suspended...for tomorrow's game against Prairie View A&M.
They could run out their 3rd string team and beat Prairie View A&M. This is nothing more than a break for Izzo.
Before any noob tries to neg or reply angrily to this post, when a post begins ZOMG, it's probably not serious. Know the Signs.
If it was serious, I loled anyway
will be a 5 page spread on it tomorrow in the Freep. Probably all over the front page.
But seriously. Am I the only person who thinks it is kinda sleezy to be paying a guy who is associated with a potention recruit. I get that 475$ is nothing, but the potential recruit is just a jr high kid so he likely had his dad with him during the whole camp. If they paid his dad or uncle or something..you have to know that you're probably not allowed to do that.
And the NCAA release on the topic said that the "individual associated with a prospect" was not in contact with the prospect while at the camp and was not accompanied by the prospect.
Given the extreme vagueness of the rule regarding who counts as an IAWP, I would be very surprised if it's a close relative or coach of the player in question. Those are too obvious, and the quotes coming out indicate a disagreement over interpretation of the rules.
All that is really available is the rule that was broken. If in fact it was someone who was loosely assaciated with this kid but did not have contact with him during that week, then this is a stupid thing to get dinged on. It just seems unlikely that someone would be considered assaciated with the jr high kid, be working the camp he is attending and have zero contact with the kid.
But whatever I really dont know what happened, and I doubt the newspapers will dig into the story and let us know excactly what the situation is. 2 bad this didn't happen in AA because by now we would all know the kids name, the relationship to the person who was paid..where that person cashed the check..who the kid is taking to his winter dance..his favorite color...you get the point.
thesnews_sports Men's basketball coach Tom Izzo will be suspended for one game for employing someone connected to a recruit at a bball camp.
Not that big of a deal, IMO. Nothing to see here, move along.
No big deal, nothing to see here. Kinda like stretching too much!
I'm glad my life isn't ruled by the NCAA.
Honestly, I think what got you guys hammered hardest over that is the fact that the tracking forms were about as far from "timely" as possible. That remains ridiculous, as does this incident (from the few details we have; if it comes out that it was a parent of a player that ends up at MSU and there was any sort of understanding that this was a prerequisite for their commitment, then I will have to revise that conclusion).
Relatively meaningless. Every coach in the country probably unknowingly commits some sort of recruiting violation throughout the course of the year. Whether it gets reported are the coach even knows he committed one is a different story. I bet JB, Man of the Ethics probably has accidentally committed one, too.
Looks like Sparty fans can't keep deifying Izzo as much any more. They can no longer say he has a squeaky clean record with no violations. I'm sure it won't be anything too serious though.
it's not like they were doing a bunch of excessive stretching...
Everyone at MSU knows he was ready to jump ship if the deal had included LBJ. They are not going to see him in the same light as before. This will make it a lot harder for him to maintain control and get his kids to give the effort to which he is accustomed. I still haven't seen anything out of his team so far to convince me that MSU won't be THE 5/12 upset victim in the NCAA's this year.
When State makes the Final Four (AGAIN, dammit) I'm going to remember your post.
They would have to finish 4th or 5th in the conference to get a seed that low. They'll do their typical late regular season push, get bounced early from the Big Ten tourney, then gain a 3 or 4 seed. Who knows what happens after that.
I had a feeling Tater would provide his patented boiler plate response: "Tom Izzo has lost this team; he handled the Cavs situation badly; his players don't believe in him; won't give the extra 5%; lose in a 5/12 upset, etc"
especially since he's dead
Because it's MSU the headline would be:
Tom Izzo Tricked Into Hiring Shady Character: Rich Rodriguez Suspected
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth tonight in Iron Mountain.
THIS IS AWESOME
getting sick of this same picture post? Or picture posts in general?
this means the world is coming to an end, right?
This may be meaningless...however, there isn’t a program in the nation, especially of this caliber, that likes to have the NCAA sniffing around their backyard. This very well may be foreshadowing a downward spiral (see Iowa). Regardless of the severity level…It opens doors. After all, imagine if we really knew how many programs in the nation violate the “practice hours rule”. We all know the ramifications of allegations and open/transparent doors!
I almost wish this was more serouse so it would shut up the sparty inlaws. But it's not so I will have to continue to listen to there inane crap about stretching and ncaa coverups. But it is piddly so I will just continue drinking heavily at family partys.
Maybe Mateen Cleaves can help Izzo, he seems to have a way of getting into and then out of trouble:
At least Izzo didn't force his players to exceed monthly practice time limits, he just paid cash for a recruits buddy!
This is a very good day!
but this is nothing, ovby state was actually smart *gasp* and got out in front of this caus ei am SURE he will be missed for praire view a&m or whoever there cupcake is tmwr ... seriously i could easily coach state to victory tmwr (in no way am i comparing me to izzo)... if it was a big game tmwr, i doubt this would have happened
Friday afternoon happy hour?
but i just finished all my finals and papers and am running on like no sleep so plz forgive me
In other news: right this second on CNN, the guy in the back ground working in the studio is wearing a UofM hat. Seriously. We are World Wide!
is this here?
BTW here are the details of the secondary violation:
- Individual was coaching middle school kids at the camp
- Individual was not accompanied by recruit
- Individual was paid $475 for 3 days of work, same as all the other coaches in the camp
- Individual wasn't personally hired by Izzo, but he's the main organizer of the camp so he is to blame
- Izzo, like RR, said he did not know he was breaking the rules. It didn't sound like he really agreed with the violation, but he said he accepts the punishment and will be back with the team on Sunday
- NCAA has informed MSU that the issue will be considered resolved once Izzo sits out tomorrow
Yeah, it doesnt seem like a big deal. However, after what happened to RR...maximum 20 minutes over the weekly limits turned into 19+ hours over the weekly limits by the Freep...people naturally want to see as horrible hatchet journalism done to an instate rival.
Yeah, definitely seems like a minor issue that probably wan't intentional. That said, it is nice to see the NCAA really crack down on hooligans like Tom Izzo while Coach Cal is apparently allowed to coach despite the mountain of violations that follow him around every year. Good stuff, NCAA infractions committee.
Secondary violations are pointless. Almost every player will commit one at some point in their career. The NCAA has so many rules that it's almost impossible for players/coaches to even know they've committed a rule. Last year, a majority of the Iowa basketball team was cited for a secondary violation for commenting on a possible candidate for the head coaching job. They all go a slap on the wrist.
media on it? Student housing issue that is being buried !!!
throwing something out there as if it was proven and concluded is wrong.
conveyed the incident & comments he heard by campus police & officals to his Dad then to me is a liar. Got it. Just saying there is more to the story than being investigated.
that was an impressive appeal to hearsay. i, for one, am always convinced by things said to have been said by the sparty children of my work colleagues.
Before you make stupid comments about Mateen Cleaves, and Izzo paying for a "recruit buddy" perhaps you should think back a few years and remember Chris Webber. How soon we forget......
if anything it's proof that things occurred in MSU's backyard as well despite UM's admittedly poor behavior
Nothing to see here, move along. This will be long forgotten. Had this been Rich Rodriguez, however...
He failed to use the new cover sheet on his TPS reports.
Didn't he get the memo about the new TPS sheet protocol?
If only the Spartans had to deal with a paper with an axe to grind. Even Izzo can't keep the dirt from the "dirty dirt sandwich" off his teeth.
Mostly in response to coaches like Bill Self hiring a player's dad as "director of basketball operations", that player coming to Kansas ... and then the player's dad "resigns" as soon as his kid leaves for the NBA or graduates.
Repeat offenses have to be within five years and/or on probation to get hit harder. And even then if it's not an offense of a similar nature you won't always get much extra. And secondary violations (which this is) never get anything more than a slap on the wrist.
Seems ludicrous that this is suspension-worthy, but given the opponent MSU probably figured it's best just to get this over with ASAP. From what it sounds like this pales in comparison to what we all know has been going on for years in college basketball recruiting (hence the "dirtier than a dirt sandwich" tag on this site).
... in the current world of the NCAA.
Izzo's program broke the rules and he is responsible. A one-game suspension is a really big deal. Not quite a Bruce Pearl situation. As far as we know...
I don't see why people are sticking up for Mr. Attention Whore Izzo.
Can you imagine if RichRod was suspended for one game? Old-school alums would want him fired on the spot!
They announce it right before a slow news weekend, before a meaningless non-conference game.
It's a case of a top-ranked program getting a huge break from the NCAA (Auburn the most egregious recent example).
Here's Two-Timing Tommy pleading his case before Hollis and Lou A. ("Big Sis") Simon:
Anyone employed at the camp, in their signed agreement, stated they had no connection with or represented any recruit. With the Perals and the Caliparis of the world walking around scott-free, this is total BS.
I understand most here hate Izzo because he beats you like a drum. Most MSU people hated Bo for the same reasons. However, neither are or were dirty in the slightess.
So, if you consider this a "huge" break that Izzo "only" gets a one day suspension, that's your hate talking. If anyone takes the time to look at the facts, they'll know it's a total sham.
UM's 20+ extra hours of practice a week turned out to only be minutes a day?
And people were so quick to condemn Rodriguez straight to Hell.
However, when the chosen one (aka Izzo) gets into any trouble (no matter how insignificant), it's a non-issue, it's not exaggurated, and he gets suspended for State's most meaningless game this year.
RR has nothing to do with this. If RR goes 20 years, clean as a whistle--much like Izzo and Bo, then we'll talk. Like it or not, Izzo tries to do it the right way, and this is total BS.
Don't blame us for the Freep's vendetta against you.