UM85

December 23rd, 2022 at 12:02 PM ^

The TCU coach is right, at least partially.  If TCU doesn't stop the run, it will be a long day for them. But stopping the run doesn't kill the offense.  TCU being 67th in the nation at stopping the run makes things very dicey for the Frogs.  They're going to have to pick their poison: 1) Commit more people in the box to stop the run which opens up passing lanes (OSU game revealed 45 reasons why this might be a bad idea), 2) play standard defense and hope your D-Line can match up against our O-Line (PSU game revealed 41 reasons why this might be a problem - hey did you know M gained 421 yds on the ground in that game?), or 3) disguise / mix & match.    Really, TCU have to go with the third option and hope that JJ won't be able to read their defense and put offense in the right play.  I'm OK with that plan as a M fan.

Robbie Moore

December 23rd, 2022 at 12:35 PM ^

If I'm the defensive coordinator for TCU I'm first worried about Edwards (and Corum?) running behind the best offensive line in college football. Then about JJ's legs. After that it's Loveland and Schoonmaker. And, if somehow that all can be kept in control, there is really nice group of wide receivers. Michigan has made the first three elements work all year without ever really deploying the deep passing game. If TCU can actually neutralize the running backs, JJ's feet and the tight ends they will be the first team to do so. Their reward will be having to account for the wide outs. The Horned Frogs defense just isn't that good. Maybe Georgia's NFL talent level on defense is that good but finding out will mean we a playing for the National Championship.

Bo Harbaugh

December 23rd, 2022 at 11:28 AM ^

Didn't really work for OSU.  Loading the box with 8 or 9 was OSU's only shot to stop the run and they were hoping JJ was a Denard (sorry, love him too but need to call it like it is) level passer. 

JJ was really good on intermediate passes all year and one of the best in the nation on play action passes (dominant running game obviously helps).  JJ has also proven to be a really good passer on the run as well.  JJ was only subpar on deep shot throughout the year as he was overthrowing on a bunch of these that often looked flat or like laser shots.  

I understand OSU's game plan of not wanting to get bludgeoned to death again, but with those corners...ooof.  JJ indeed found his touch and if this becomes a trend the offense will be really tough to stop. 

All that said, TCU may not be as soft as OSU and need to put 8 in the box every play to limit the run.  We shall see.

Eng1980

December 24th, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^

Please be reminded that Denard Robinson did not finish his career as a QB.  He was unable to throw the ball at the end due to injuries.  Denard was injury prone and Hoke did all he could to protect Denard and extend Denard's career.

I find it odd that so many speak as if Denard went on to a hall of fame career in the NFL or that he beat MSU or OSU single handedly (or ever) when Rich Rod was coach.  Most people don't remember that Denard was unable to run or throw effectively late in the season,

Joby

December 25th, 2022 at 4:18 AM ^

You're right that DG was asked to do more pro-style stuff, but Denard was placed under center by Hoke and Borges and was asked to go through reads. You can't run a spread with zone reads under center. You lose too many natural advantages. He had a productive year, but as a spread QB he would have put up even greater numbers and had a better 2012. 

 

And Denard was not "injury-prone." He had one injury. 

PopeLando

December 23rd, 2022 at 11:57 AM ^

"Ohio State DOMINATED the game, if you take away all of Michigan's scoring plays" was always a weird narrative. 

OSU sold out to stop the run, and tbh it kinda worked for a minute. But, and Seth really drove this point home, it was a VERY Big12 kind of defense. Meaning that all of those defenders spending themselves on stopping the run were REALLY missed on pass defense. 

TCU is a bit more of a hybrid than a typical Big12 team on defense. But can they really think they're better than Ohio State? Do they think they're going to score more than Ohio State? 

jdib

December 23rd, 2022 at 12:18 PM ^

It's funny when people use that argument.  That's how every team jumps out to large margins.  It's off the back of big plays.  I find it incredibly weird that anyone thinks you just dink and dunk down the field and somehow surmount a large lead.  Sure, it can happen but more often than not it is off the back of big plays. 

Mind you, those big plays are often setup by creating tendencies.  Michigan creates tendencies with the run and then all of a sudden changes it up resulting in a big play.  It's not like the big plays ONLY just randomly happen out of nowhere.

Every team this year has thought they had us solved.  They all said "just stop the run and they can't score."  Yet, they either found out it wasn't that simple or they eventually couldn't "just stop the run."

 

MFanWM

December 23rd, 2022 at 1:56 PM ^

Hopefully this has given some time to just focus on the basics.

I think often times his misses getting into the season wasn't ability, it was just getting out of alignment with proper mechanics and trying to rely a bit too much on arm strength vs. foot positioning and mechanics.  

smotheringD

December 23rd, 2022 at 11:08 AM ^

What's great about it is that JJ will get more game reps throwing the ball, which he needs.  Like the pick he threw against Purdue, the throw he made to Ronnie in the endzone against the Nuts that drew the PI. and how about that NFL dart he threw to Ronnie in the back of the endzone against Purdue, on a rope!

This is just his first year as a starter and he has so much upside.  JJ gets better every time he takes the field.  He just needs more game reps with the ball in his hands.

Go ahead, stack the box horned frogs, please.

HarmonHowardWoodson

December 23rd, 2022 at 10:32 AM ^

The first half of his statement is spot on. Against this team, you HAVE to stop the run. If you don't, we will churn out yards and first downs and scores and you will have no shot at winning.

The second half, while at times this year has looked accurate, was proven patently false against OSU.

There's a middle ground, which is what I'd assume any rational coach would do, where you sell out to stop the run but still keep SOMEONE deep to prevent Michigan from taking the top off. When guys aren't running completely wide open there is still a smidge of doubt in my mind that JJ can hit those deep throws. 

rc90

December 23rd, 2022 at 11:37 AM ^

Yeah, Michigan's oline is good enough to give McCarthy some time, even against kitchen sink blitzes, and McCarthy is then athletic enough to get the ball out. Ohio State did Michigan some favors with its "make McCarthy make a play under duress" strategy because McCarthy is basically the anti-Stroud.

OTOH Michigan humiliated OSU's defensive backs. The game plan gave the DBs tough assignments, but this isn't Rutgers, they should be able to stay in the picture, and they just couldn't. Loveland has emerged as a pass-catching demon, and if you add in a healthy Edwards, then the passing game should get some (gus)WIDE OPENs(/gus) against a stop-the-run defense.

MGoGrendel

December 23rd, 2022 at 10:35 AM ^

If only we had the best offense line in the country… maybe then we would have the opportunity to say “try and stop us” before we exert our will and run the ball down their throats.

Amazinblu

December 23rd, 2022 at 10:39 AM ^

Great point the coach makes.  Michigan cannot throw the ball.  On offense,  I think Michigan is close today 2:1 ratio of run to pass.  I hope TCU leverages everything the Buckeyes exposed - and fill the box.  I believe that’s the key to the game.

If only JJ was a mobile QB who could use play action or his legs to buy some time.