Start blaming the Ivy League now [OP EDITED]
Ivy League’s impending decision could be a ‘big domino’ for college football
By Bruce Feldman and Nicole Auerbach
Jul 6, 2020
An impending choice by a conference that plays in the Football Championship Subdivision could have an impact that stretches across college football.
College athletics is bracing for the Ivy League’s decision regarding fall sports in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic, an announcement that is expected to come down on Wednesday. Multiple football coaches in the Ivy League told The Athletic over the weekend that they expect Wednesday’s announcement to be that the league is moving all fall sports, including football, to spring 2021. The coaches spoke on the condition of anonymity because the conference has not announced its final decision.
“In order to have an effective season without hiccups, time is the answer,” one Ivy League coach told The Athletic. “If we play in the spring, it won’t bother me.”
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This is called plagiarism and it is bad
Edited for correction: this is actually called copyright infringement but it is still very bad
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As someone who has studied Bird Law, who knows about the law and other lawyerings... Filibuster.
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I barely follow FCS but I didn't know that the ivy didn't participate in playoffs.
If there's a few token football games in the spring, I won't be mad at that. I bet you see more uniformity in the conferences with an actual postseason.
Pppptthhht raspberry.
Let me use this double post as an opportunity to express that I will be totally miserable if football is postponed. Miserable for over four fucking months. I will not spend the months of July and August handwringing or being neurotic because the mike florios of the world need clicks. On the day the word comes across my twitter feed, I'll deal with those feelings then.
Start thanking the Ivy League now. Somebody has to make a freaking decision.
Harvard also announced that fall classes will be all online.
Which is a bit odd because they're still going to have 40% of the students on campus.
Morehouse was first. Give credit where due.
Well like my Grandmother said when she got her Ovarian Cancer diagnosis, "At least I know how I'm going to go."
College Sports are dead if this happens, but at least we'll know why it happened.
Yup, if there’s no football season soon my interest level is going to plummet.
Hard to be devoted to something that never happens. Not having sports since March has been very kind to my bank account.
Those in the know know we’ll be playing though. I’m not worried about it. The schedule will look much different.
You’ll be back. So will everyone else who claims their interest goes away or it’ll never come back. Same as the people who say “Ohhh if they NFL does this I’ll never watch another game ever again.” And then, regardless of what happens, they’re right back where they were, cheering their team on during Week 1.
Sports will come back. When, no one knows for certain. And it’ll be even longer before sports as we knew them come back. But make no mistake: they will come back. And you’ll come back too because everyone else is going back and you don’t want to be the one missing out on the fun.
I don’t doubt that no sports has been kind to your bank account, but knowing your particular level of fanaticism with all things Michigan, I call BS on your interest level plummeting on any kind of long term basis.
I’ll still be a fan but my involvement won’t be the same.
You show em WD
Who are you trying to convince of that? Me? Or yourself?
Not making fun of you, but I’m just skeptical.
I have watched maybe two NHL games since their cancelled season 15-20 years ago. I used to watch it multiple times per week, but it went away, I found other things to fill my time, and I realized I didn't miss it. Some fans will probably be lost should there be a cancellation.
I pretty much stopped watching baseball after 1994. Tried to get back in around the turn of the century, but the love had died. I don't think I've watched more than a couple of batters at a time since.
Basketball's probably taken a big hit for me - I didn't feel any loss when the tournament was canceled. But I think football is rooted too deeply. This will be a tough year - programs won't compete unless kids sign waivers and kids probably shouldn't sign waivers. Plus the lost development time will be enormous - it won't be the same game in terms of strategy and player development. I think we'll end up only having the NFL this fall, and odds are many players will get sick - hopefully none seriously.
With the budget crunches and the cost of sports programs and the uncertainty, with many universities already planning on mostly online learning, I think the university sports model will be quite different in the future. Maybe sports no longer makes sense at many places. Except e-sports, of course. Most of the MAC is committed to fielding teams (many players on scholarship for this) playing League of Legends. Tomorrow's athletes will never even need to leave their parents' basements.
If the Lions still have devoted fans after decades of Lions Football, then I don't understand why college football can't withstand a delayed season.
I did stop watching the Indy 500 after the strike in the 90s, but that also coincided when I went to college and got really busy. I will come back to Michigan football when it comes back and be excited to cheer them on.
You say that now but once anything of substance starts you'll be in. Anyone posting in July at a sports forum is already in to deep.
I don't quite understand the argument that you won't follow college football going forward if they don't...proceed with a truncated season involving unpaid college athletes while the country is dealing with a deadly pandemic and, at best, slapdash protections in place for the athletes. Like, if you'll follow college athletics after numerous teams and players get busted for performance enhancement abuse, covering up sometimes horrific crimes, latent and active racism, and a slew of other maladies, I severely doubt you'll close up shop because you miss one season of football due to a once-in-a-generation global pandemic. But hey, you do you.
College Sports are dead if this happens
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The Ivy League voluntarily holds its champion out of the FCS postseason because it interferes with academia.
Let me know when a conference people actually care about does this.
Exactly.
They pay money to play football so why would they pay to play in this environment? They save money by not playing. They don't have TV contracts and huge AD budgets as obligations.
For conferences that make money to play football (and for players that are trying to become professional), I think this means pretty much nothing.
The money equation is completely flip flopped for the Ivy league compared to Power Conference FBS.
Every conference is just waiting for the Ivy League to make the first decision. It's not happening this year.
No they're not. That's what the media tells you so you'll care about this Ivy League decision. The SEC couldn't care less what the Ivy League is doing.
No it's what an SEC Head Coach told me you idiot.
How about this: I bet you $100 to charity that the Big Ten announces that its canceling the season by the end of this week, and the SEC is canceling by the end of next week.
Feel free to tell me that I'm right now, on account of even telling you they'd cancel by Friday.
Turns out the LIBERATE MICHIGAN! tweet was about liberating fans from another tortuous football season.
The sun belt has more of an impact then the ivy league due to the fact they are actually division one
Ivy League is Division 1, champ
They're in the subdivision, though, don't be disingenuous. Sun Belt is a level above the FCS.
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Involving Larry Scott in an important decision that could potentially affect tens of thousands of people's lives and livelihoods... I'm concerned.
As I stated in another thread but I have been hesitant to post since I don't work for the school and only get info 2nd hand from a regent and a mid-level employee for UMs AD...
The scheduling is going to be a complete cluster - f*ck. This is the biggest issue the AD is working with right now, as the smaller revenue schools don't have the same skin in the game to put a product on the field.
My friend claims that they may need to have open dates on the schedule and literally do in-season scheduling based on who is open and willing to play at the time (like scheduling teams 2-3 weeks before a game).
Smaller schools (the ones generally paid to play cupcake games) are also asking the big schools to cover the extra costs associated with Covid regulations being put in place if they are going to indeed play, as it may not even be break even for many of them to go forward with a season in the current situation.
I spoke with him over the weekend and he says we will be lucky to get to 8 games now. He was more optimistic 2-3 weeks ago before the latest spike. On the flip side, the regent I spoke with always said and still feels there is only a 25% chance we have a season that starts this fall.
Per the AD contact, the B1G teams he knows that are seriously considering opting out of the season are Rutgers and Maryland. NW does not want to play any games outside their division - I'm not sure what the logic is there (division vs. conference).
That's all I was able to pull out of him - I'm sure he knows a lot more that he can't share.
I feel like scheduling headaches can be reduced greatly by doing away with non-conf games. Then you don't have to worry about buy games.
So then the issue is what to do with teams that don't want to play a full conference slate. Not surprising re: Rutgers and Maryland. They don't play even when they're on the field, not much different to just not show up, I guess. My guess for them and NW is that they have an issue with travel. For the east coast teams air travel is necessary every game and for non-division games for NW, the travel is further.
Any idea if TV network payouts would be tied to number of games played? Gotta think they'll do what will get them paid and if there's no monetary incentive to play (since there won't be fans), why spend the money and take on the liability?
I think a 6-8 game schedule where the team plays every other week makes sense. Then you have time to get test results. If two big ten teams opt out you can divide everyone into three 4 team pods and play home and homes. Then pick 2 MAC schools that play those same teams once and get 4 pay days and play each other in a home and home. So now instead of every team in the country having contact with every other through 6 degrees of separation, every team has only had contact with 5 others. The whole country can be in these 6 team groupings where power 5 plays 8 games and non power plays 6. If all that works out flawlessly then you just play 10 bowl games with the top 20 teams. Then you can play a CFP final picking from the 10 bowl winners if you really want to.
There won't be a season this year. That's a fact.
1) Leave it to the smart kids to make the smart decision. Good for them.
2) Don't plagiarize.
Spring football would be strange and unfortunate, but certainly preferable to a bastardized fall season with multiple teams unable to compete and weird schedules. If planning for that now significantly increases the chance of a season happening then I think that's probably the smart thing to do. How wild would April be, if the Final Four, Frozen Four, then CFP happen on 4 straight weekends?
Also, OP should edit out most of the Athletic article and focus on the big items. Posting the whole article is plagiarism and bad mmmkay?
The problem with spring football is there's no guarantee or really even any reason to believe it'll be better to play in the spring.
There won't be a vaccine. So what's going to be better? This is going to spike in the north in the winter when everyone goes back indoors. It won't be less risky in the spring so they shouldn't consider that as a superior option when making fall decisions.
Please don’t copy entire articles.
Also, there’s really a limit on how many games you can play on the spring. You can’t ask these kids to play 8-12 games in the spring and expect them to do lay a full slate next fall. Maybe you could get pros to do it but not students.
If t or season has to be played in the spring, maybe just have the divisions play and do the conference championship and leave it there. I don’t want these kids to have to pack in that much physical punishment in a single year
Beyond the copyright infringement in this post. Don't blame the Ivy League for football not happening. Blame everyone who didn't/doesn't wear a mask, blame the yahoos that protested at state capitols for reopening because they couldn't get a haircut for a few weeks or yell at a server, blame everyone that tried to downplay it as "just like the flu" because that helped enable the spread, and most of all blame the current presidential administration for sitting on their thumbs for months and doing nothing about it when other countries were locking down, putting contact tracing into place and everything places like South Korea were doing when this broke out.
Amen.
Also, Schliss came from the IVY league and didn't know fuckall about sports before he got here.
I imagine that whatever the Ivies decide will factor into his decision.
You can also blame the protesters and rioters as well. Look like there was a big protest in Brooklyn Today with no social distancing and very few masks.
Nope. It's just the rayyycists and rednecks that are at fault.
I've heard the opposite. Most protesters are pretty good about wearing masks and the studies being done on them are showing that very few cases are spreading as a result of protests. In fact, about a month ago a warning was spreading on twitter that the right is going to try and use the protests as the reason cases are up. Because, the right always knew cases were going to spike because reopening is happening too soon. It was a convenient reason to satiate their base with.
The protests had a negligible impact. This is why Minneapolis and New York and Detroit and Seattle and many other cities that participated heavily in the protests are not experiencing spikes.
For one, only a negligible number of people participated and two, they were outdoors moving down streets where they could space and they were mostly wearing masks.