Scout has just upgraded Carvin Johnson. He was previously almost non-existent in their rankings. Now they have him as a three star. Did he really improve that much? Or did the "gurus" just mess up on this one in the first place? Could it be that they didn't rank him higher now is that it would be too embarrassing to admit not noticing a four star recruit? Maybe. Time will tell.
Doesn't a 2* mean that he
Saw Him Play this weekend
Rummel just played hahnville this past weekend in state playoff game. Most people had hahnville winning the game. Not so. It wasn't even close. A lot of that had to do with Carvin Johnson. Hahnville's QB is a junior getting some looks from lower Div 1 colleges. Johnson and his fellow D men made a good QB look below average. I have lived in the New Orleans, Baton Rouge corridor for five years and this place might be the best high school football in the country.
WHO DAT NATION
WHO DAT NATION
DREW BREEEEEEEEESSS
DREW BREEEEEEEEESSS
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Thanks for the local perspective!
Found another poster that was pretty impressed by the Rummel D.
"Rummel flat out dominated giving Hanhville their only 7 points on a fumble. 9 QB sacks, 2 INTs and a blcked FG that was returned deep into H-ville territory. If you like defense, this Rummel teams is very impressive to watch. I would be willing to bet Hanhville had negative total yards at the half. As it was most of their 163 yards came on 2 drives, going in reverse in most cases... I was amazed at how fast the defense played."
Not much else there, but it came from here: http://www.yogwf.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=329928&sid=d3fa31d109c1bc10248a...
I love a hoppy ending!
This is simply wrong
I have no idea where you could be getting this from. Edit: Seriously what's your source?
Galileo was also chastised.
The problem with this
The problem with this statement is - why do you say he is wrong? What is your source?
Rivals/Scout says they don't
Rivals/Scout says they don't take offers into account when ranking them. In addition it's not uncommon for a big name school to have a commitment from a two star every once in a while.
Galileo was also chastised.
And if they say anything
And if they say anything other than that their credibility is shot. They bump unevaluated kids up and do the same with blue chippers who drag out their recruitment. They just do.
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
You have zero actual evidence
You have zero actual evidence of this. Just because random people on message boards say so doesn't make it true.
Galileo was also chastised.
Rivals/Scout
Also say they take into account a prospect's potential to reach and/or succeed in the NFL. A relatively unevaluated recruit signing with a big name school certainly increases his chances of entering the NFL draft. Perhaps that should affect the rankings.
source? common knowledge
source? common knowledge
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
Do they do footnotes in
Do they do footnotes in Kinesiology? I don't know where that qualifies as a source.
Galileo was also chastised.
Water's chemical formula is
Water's chemical formula is H2O. Do I need to source that? no, common knowledge
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
I guess they don't teach
I guess they don't teach analogies either.
Galileo was also chastised.
There is no chance that was a
There is no chance that was a coincidence. Although personally, I think it's funnier this way.
I emailed him to change it
Who is this "Brian" and how
Who is this "Brian" and how did he get so many points. Conspiracy? I think so
I've been called the songbird of my generation, by those who have heard me. THAT GOOD
I would ask him about it, but
I would ask him about it, but he doesn't list any contact information...
I think we should have this
I think we should have this Brian guys name arbitrarily changed to something else too. Like maybe "The Other Brian" or something like that...
Think they just missed him
I remember how Hart wasn't ranked that high coming out of HS. I think that Carvin was just not seen or rated, more than being underrated.
Yes, in general, getting four and five star guys is a great way to go for a team. But the more a staff can uncover guys who were "missed" by the recruiting services, the better off we are. Everyone and their brother wants Seantel. But what if guys like Carvin and Conelius, who were "meh" and under the radar, pan out? Finding guys like that is part of what will push us over the top.
This reminds me that there is only so much correlation between what the recruiting services say and see and what the coaches are actually looking for. I really think that sometimes, the coaches "know" stuff about a so called three star, or even two star, such that an offer is given. Likewise, coaches also are aware when some of the 4 & 5 stars are over-rated.
"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi
The Run put Hart on the map
The Run put Hart on the map and in our Hearts.
MGoGTI
A 2-star rating means he's
A 2-star rating means he's just not very good, and is probably a MAC-level talent.
A 1-star rating on Scout means that he hasn't been evaluated.
A 0-star rating on Rivals means that he hasn't been evaluated.
Patrick Chung
was a 2* for Oregon and went like 33rd overall to the Pats
Has the whole world gone CRAZY!?!
It's not just Magnus--it's the facts that are going apeshit.
There is enough actual fact and solid information to say that anyone that uses a name, or three names, to try to debunk recruiting rankings has either not read the facts as they have been presented and linked to numerous times on this site, or is ignorant. I hope he simply hasn't read them.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
Sample size fail.
Sample size fail.
Galileo was also chastised.
I can't believe you just said that
Patrick Chung was a good safety, but you do realize the thirty third overall pick is the first pick of the second round right? A safety was taken there, but it was Louis Delmas.... The Lions locked down that first spot. Unless I missed it, I don't think the Pats were the worst team in the league last year. Louis Delmas was the better safety anyway.
Chung
went 34th overall. The Pats traded up behind the Lions to get him. The rumor is the Pats wanted Delmas but we'll never know since it's just a rumor.
Good to hear
I'm just happy we landed him. Sounds like a good player, and I think our recruiting class is shaping up pretty nicely, all things considered.
Christ in me arise and dispel all the darkness.
Carvin
They list him as the #76 player at his position (safety), so they might have scouted him.
That's cause he's so much
That's cause he's so much worse than the #70 guy, and light years better than the #86 guy. Duh.
/sarcasm
Bubbe Bursting
Magnus has been chopping people down to size since Haloscan and Dex's Hannah Montana obsession. No thread is compete with out it.
Ratings mean nothing
Everyone uses the same Mike Hart and Pat White examples to show how underrated some prospects can be. But what about us people? For instance, in my native dystopian future, I was rated as a low-3* embryo by a few people-breeding scouting services. When all was said and done, I ended up a 5* person and a time-traveler to boot, not to mention father of the leader of the rebellion. Suck on that, Rivals.
Ann Arbor is a classy broad.
"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2
Scout still has you as a 3*
Scout still has you as a 3* human. Sorry.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
here you go!
Sam Bradford, 3 star recruit:
http://www.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=64251
Colt McCoy, 3 star recruit:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/texas/football/recruiting/player-Colt-McCoy-22880
"And they'll never catch him!"
ok.
toby gerhart, 3 star recruit:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Toby-Gerhart-24345
"And they'll never catch him!"
Bad argument
Saying a kid like Colt-frickin'-McCoy gets a bad rating because he's a shoe-in for a certain school would be a terrible indictment of Rivals. I would suggest that either you are wrong or you are inadvertently supporting ghost's argument.
Go Blue
I was thinking the same thing.....
and due to who is posting, I would say it is inadvertently supportive.
ghost has no argument because he is wrong.
And there isn't really an argument to be had. The work has already been done and recruiting rankings are indicative--not predictive--of future team success. All the three star examples mean absolutely nothing. the facts are in. It's like saying a top ten NFL pick doesn't mean anything because Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington and Alex Smith suck. The exceptions are irrelevant.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
What am I wrong about, exactly?
The only thing that I am arguing here is that there are plenty of 3-star recruits that pan out better than a lot of 5-star kids. Each example I listed I picked only because they had either won or received plenty of heisman "buzz."
"And they'll never catch him!"
Exceptions do not prove the
Exceptions do not prove the rule.
OH MY GOD JUST BECAUSE
OH MY GOD JUST BECAUSE PATRICK CHUNG WAS A 2-STAR DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY 2-STAR IS GOING TO BE A 2ND ROUND PICK IN THE NFL. YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS A 2-STAR?
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THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS A 2-STAR BECAUSE NOT MANY OF THEM ARE FAMOUS FOR BEING GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
(Was that good enough, guys?)
No
Sharpen your axe damnit!
Good, not great.
Good, not great.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
Everybody Patrick Chung tonight
I don't know...it felt a little halfhearted. I'd say that's somewhere between a mid 3* and a very low 4* post.
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But I've seen 3* posts win
But I've seen 3* posts win Newbery Medals. Therefore...
Meh. Could have used some !
Meh. Could have used some ! at the end with a few 1's tossed in to really drive the point home but it will do.
"Tequila on the reg, chicks on the reg, fashions on the reg. Living the life most men can only dream of" - Kenny Powers
That was excellent. Thank
That was excellent. Thank you.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
Terrance Cody
Casey
Terrance Cody
Casey Keenum
Stephfon Greene
Eric Dekker
This list is longer, but I only added those making huge impacts. Not saying that he will progress to the levels that these guys have achieved, but the list is large for those who have been solid ball players.
Could have been better.
Poor
Could have been better.
Poor pad level.
Doesn't a 2* mean that he just wasn't ranked at all yet? Maybe I'm misinformed.
Always good to see kids move on up though.
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