Sam Webb Believes Favorable Ruling Likely For Patterson
February 28th, 2018 at 7:30 PM ^
Not to mention one of the players is going to the SEC. The players transferring are:
Shea Patterson, to Michigan
Van Jefferson, to Florida
Deontay Anderson, to Houston
Tre Nixon, to UCF
Jack DeFoor, to Georgia Tech
Jarrion Street, to UAB
"The NCAA" (which it's not the NCAA in the sense that we talk about passing rules, it's a completely different committee ruling on this) would have to decide to screw Florida, Georgia Tech, Houston, UCF, and UAB in addition to Michigan. They would have to decide to punish schools and players in 5 different conferences, including 3 Power 5 conferences.
Even if this were the body of member schools (aka a body including people who do have anti-Michigan bias), which it's not, there's no way to make this a "screw Michigan" decision with so many other parties involved.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^
"there's no way to make this a "screw Michigan" decision"
February 28th, 2018 at 7:29 PM ^
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February 28th, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 6:37 PM ^
Sorry if this has been posted before, but I couldnt find any info on it....can Patterson participate in all team acitivities while this process is going on? I haven't seen him in any of UM football social media video posts of the team workouts or anything like that. Which I totally understand on Michigan's part until he is determined eligible. It would just be a bummer if the NCAA drags this process out and he misses out on these workouts, and team building opportunities.
February 28th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 6:45 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:10 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:31 PM ^
He's not on campus. He's been in California training. He could potentially come back to the team in the summer, but I'm sure will not choose to do this given Shea's eligibility.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:36 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:27 PM ^
To file an injunction they would have to show they would suffer harm. from a ruling they haven't opposed and hasn't been made.
February 28th, 2018 at 6:59 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^
Am I the only one annoyed by the typo in the first sentence?
February 28th, 2018 at 7:08 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^
if all other MS transfer got granted eligibility except for Shea, then you would know the NCAA just hates on Michigan.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:08 PM ^
As much as I want Shea to play, we shouldn't be disappointed if the ruling isn't in our/his favor. Ive seen so many teams play freshmen QBs and be successful, I expect a sophmore/junior that has been with the program to be serviceable.
I know that our QB play hasn't been stellar, but our offensive line protection has been even worse and our running backs can't shoulder the load. We have so many holes on our offense...
Shea will help but we need a lot of other puzzle pieces besides the qb position.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:21 PM ^
with a servicable QB (MSU. Wisky, OSU).
February 28th, 2018 at 9:41 PM ^
late in the 3rd and 4th QTR we would have beaten WI and OSU, even with a subpar QB. The '97 D did not let OSU come back and take the lead. I think eventually we will have a great D that will be able to shut teams down in the 2nd half.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:39 PM ^
The OL was not worse than the QB paly last year. It just wasn't. It was real bad in pass pro, but it was an objectively good run blocking unit, and it didn't cost us more games than the QB position.
If you gave Michigan Josh Rosen last year with the same OL, we go 11-1.
If you gave Michigan Missouri's OL (or whoever the best OL was, Missouri was top 20 in 6/9 S&P OL categories including 3rd in Adj. Sack Rate) with John O'Korn, we still go 8-4.
This offense only needs a quarterback to hit our record goals. We had a really good rushing offense last year and an OL that could actually run block. We have all our WRs, TEs, and RBs coming back. This offense doesn't have "so many holes" it only has one that is keeping us from being a playoff contender.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^
Thanks. I walked on at Michigan, have done some coaching since. I just love the game. Glad someone thinks my anonymous shouting to strangers is good.
February 28th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
i mean, really, you're like 5' 2" and nearly as round as you are tall.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:08 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:51 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^
Yeah, he really had a rough career for the talent he brings to a team. He's a phenomenal talent, I think he's the best in the draft, but I also don't like his attitude. He's a bit entitled and he reminds me a tad of Johnny Manziel in the sense that he doesn't need football, his family is very well off. Obviously there's no evidence of the substance issues that Manziel had, but there's just something to be said about the willingness to take a brutal pounding for years to make your money when you don't need it to be rich. I think he'll stick in the NFL, but I just don't know that he will ever be as driven to be great as guys who came from middle and lower classes.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:18 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^
As Alabama said, I wasn't arguing that the OL was good at pass pro - they were quite bad at it and I said as much. However, that's only half (less really, because we ran the ball significantly more than we threw it) of their duties, and they were quite good at their other duties. The pass pro wasn't bad enough to lose us the MSU, Wisconsin, and OSU games, however. JOK (and Peters) had enough time to complete passes in those games.
However, to your specific point: A. Speight's injury was freakish, and B. it was not caused by the man the line (Cole) didn't pick up, but by a guy who hit Speight late. I actually don't blame the OL for Speight's injury, because you couldn't predict the nature of it to be that severe - a QB could get hit a million times and not break his back, what happened was very unlucky - and it was outside the rules after Speight was already on the ground. You can't blame someone on the line for not blocking a guy when Speight is already down.
If it were the guy that Cole missed that broke Speight's back, then yes, that's the OL's fault. However, it was a guy that hit Speight after the play was already over, and I don't hold the OL responsible for that.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^
It very well could have been a miss assignment by the RB not to pick up the DT who ran right through the gap. If I remember correctly the OG was pulling on that play and the WI DT just ran straight up the middle right into our young QB who could not lateral to the side but took the hit dead on.
February 28th, 2018 at 10:27 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:15 PM ^
to take it to Michigan. Would be a ludicrous result subjecting to even more public criticism than they are facing today. Everyone knows it's ridiculous that a coach can leave one college to for another to sign multi-million dollar deals, but kid who did nothing wrong can be subject to NCAA penalties. Would be shocked if Shea and Michigan don't win this one.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:04 PM ^
The only ones proposed are fueled by paranoia. That's been true all along. Michigan and the other schools involved were always expecting these players to be eligible immediately.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:23 PM ^
the NCAA approves Patterson and these three players...but then again, logic and common-sense are not particular strenghts of the NCAA
February 28th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^
Patterson's eligibility needs to be paired with Warriner fixing the OL. Get those two things to HAPPEN and I think we should all be very optimistic in 2018-19.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:53 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:10 PM ^
Not trying to be a nay-sayer, but I'm still worried. Sam's article was refreshing, but didn't necessary apply the NCAA rules to the evidence presented or cite precedent etc.. It did however list a ton of evidence.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:16 PM ^
think it's a lock for him to be eligible. If he was the only one who transferred this would probably go the other way but as it stands it think it's an easy decision for the NCAA.
I am really excited about Patterson even though I don't think he is as good as some of the hype has claimed him to be. I think Harbaughs offense needs a qb that can make plays with his feet like Rudock did. If Shea can play at that level or above we win the conference next year with what looks like the toughest schedule I can remember in my lifetime.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:19 PM ^
neither the NCAA or Ole Miss are going to be interested in weathering another shitstorm of horrendously bad PR for the sake of these players. He acknowledges that it's not impossible they could do something stupid, but the chances of that happening in this case are tiny.
I'm as pessimisstic and cynical a person as you can find on MGoBlog, but I think he's right.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:21 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^
All of this is based on the fact that we just submitted the appeal yesterday. I'd say 2-3 weeks. Ole Miss needs to respond (or have their chance to respond, which they could decline to do) within 10 days, then the committee goes from there. Should be short after that. I'd be surprised if it was more than 3 weeks, especially if Ole Miss endorses his eligibility.