Rumor: Hoiberg might be out at Neb due to recruiting violations
Link to a tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/speed_in_space/status/1470609401476177924
Word on some message boards is that this might be Nebraska digging up dirt to have him go without needing to pay the buyout. The tweet is obviously not our Gattis, but supposedly some Nebraska beat writer. Apparently a *lot* of chatter on Nebraska insider boards about this in last 12-24hrs as well.
December 14th, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^
What are “recruiting violations”? Is that like some medieval shit like trepanning?
December 14th, 2021 at 4:53 PM ^
Trepanning is soooo medieval. Haven't you heard? Now everyone's quadpanning.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
If trepanning is drilling a hole in my head to treat my health issues, are you talking about drilling a hole into my quad? One sounds like the ill informed doctor and the other does sound like some Marcellus Wallace going to get medieval on your ass.
December 14th, 2021 at 8:22 PM ^
Theodoric of York says you never go straight to trepanning, but start with leeches first.
December 14th, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^
Breaking this news first: Gattis also getting it done with speed in cyberspace
December 14th, 2021 at 4:58 PM ^
Considering how well they have played and recruited in the B1G, he really needs to up his recruiting violations game. Hopefully he lands at LSU as an assistant and they can show him how it is done!
December 14th, 2021 at 10:03 PM ^
Fred needs to hire Chuck Person ASAP - see Auburn recruiting
December 14th, 2021 at 4:58 PM ^
wow this will be a real hit on their wins/losses
December 14th, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^
That's a shame. How many seconds before that 5 star is in the portal??
December 14th, 2021 at 7:09 PM ^
I coached Bryce and Trey. He won't leave as long as his brother is there
December 14th, 2021 at 5:18 PM ^
I've always said that mere cheating doesn't guarantee success to any coach or any program, which is why I've never gotten incensed by the notion of bagmen at Alabama during Saban's tenure.
Dirty coaches have been around forever; few of them have been huge successes. You still have to coach the players.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^
Look no further than Will Wade
December 14th, 2021 at 8:40 PM ^
Look no further than Will Wade
I don't think that's a good example. Dude has a 92-40 record at LSU. The problem, as you allude to, is that his teams far exceeded his coaching ability. Any decent coach would have done much more with his talent and made a run in the tournament.
Will Wade is an example of how an incompetent coach can lead a winning team when given enough talent.
December 15th, 2021 at 10:14 AM ^
Pretty sure you just proved his point. With the amount of talent he's brought in, Wade has underperformed.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^
sure. but good coaching + cheating (e.g., Urban) will often beat good coaching.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^
I agree the coaches and players still need to be able to develop and execute a sound scheme, however, having overwhelming talent makes a huge difference at the college level.
My issue with cheating has always been how much. Most schools have the ability to get a recruit/player money. Some schools still advocate the use of steroids. Some schools make sure academics are taken care of. A few schools are willing to make sure no scandal ever sees the light of day.
AND THEN...there are the Alabama's, Clemson's, LSU's, and OSU's that say, "fuck it, we're going to pay them, we're going to roid them up, we're going to make sure they are all B students, and if anyone get's in trouble they'll be protected".
And this creates the problem. Every school has at least one thing they would like to keep hidden. That one thing prevents them from calling out the schools who are willing to egregiously break the rules.
December 14th, 2021 at 6:53 PM ^
Some schools still advocate the use of steroids
Gonna need a citation on this one because you're explicitly stating that the S&C/Medical staffs at Alabama, Clemson, OSU, and LSU are committing felonies.
December 14th, 2021 at 9:48 PM ^
I’m not willing to look up all of the links but…
- Alabama had the guy who failed a steroid test at the combine shortly after playing in the championship game who also roid raged at some combine official
- Clemson had the 27 out of 42 test positive for steroids incident.
- MSU has had multiple middle linebackers suddenly not eligible for their bowl games due to a positive test over the Dantonio era.
That’s off the top of my head. I’m sure others will remember more examples.
December 14th, 2021 at 6:56 PM ^
i am not sure the ncaa cares if there is cheating anymore, so in effect, it doesn't exist. LSU basketball gets caught with actual phone call evidence. ncaa does nothing. north carolina basketball gets caught with academic fraud. ncaa does nothing.
December 14th, 2021 at 7:53 PM ^
Just to reiterate, because your erroneous take is all too common, the NC problem was an academic one, not a sports one. Non-athletes benefitted from the bogus courses more than athletes. The NCAA had no jurisdiction. LSU basketball is a more interesting case because its resolution has been delayed by an ever-expanding scope of inquiry. It is easy for laypersons to assume that the NCAA "does nothing" because the investigations continue, but people reading your post shouldn't believe that that is true.
December 14th, 2021 at 9:17 PM ^
you are completely wrong about the NC case. from the NY Times:
According to a university-commissioned investigation, North Carolina had for nearly two decades offered a “shadow curriculum” of fake classes into which athletes were steered. It appeared to be a stark subversion of the N.C.A.A.’s central tenet that college athletics are a mere component of education.
The scheme involved nearly 200 laxly administered and graded classes — frequently requiring no attendance and just one paper — over nearly two decades in the African and Afro-American Studies Department. Their students were disproportionately athletes, especially in the lucrative, high-profile sports of football and men’s basketball. They were mostly administered by a staff member named Deborah Crowder. In many cases, athletes were steered to the classes by athletics academic advisers.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^
There is no such thing as recruiting violations in college basketball. Nebraska will have to dig deeper if they want to fire Hoiberg with cause.
December 14th, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^
I would present their game tape and rest my case. Exposing recruits to what they're doing on the court should be a violation.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^
They should give the ncaa and Mark the middle finger and tell them to go pound sand. Hoiberg will be fine; that shit ain't going to be a 1 or 2 year turn-around.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:41 PM ^
I said it at the time, and I’ll say it again. They should’ve kept Tim Miles. He did about as well as you can do with Nebraska BBall.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:54 PM ^
Yup, I thought Miles got a raw deal. Plus he is such a nice guy. But hey this is the school that fired Bo Pelini because 9-3 seasons in football weren’t good enough.
December 14th, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^
And he brought TVs to their toilet stalls.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
You’d think if you were gonna cheat, you’d at least do it to the point you’d be good
December 14th, 2021 at 5:52 PM ^
They should have never fired Tim Miles.
December 14th, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^
Schools digging up their own recruiting violations in order to improve their team
What a time to be alive
December 14th, 2021 at 6:02 PM ^
As a Nebraska resident I can say with certaintly nobody here cares about basketball. Its puzzling why anyone outside of Nebraska would care about Nebraska hoops if people in Nebraska dont.
December 14th, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
Looked up his record. Holy shit he’s bad at Nebraska.
December 14th, 2021 at 6:06 PM ^
Should’ve confirmed via Counter Strike before posting a topic stemming from a rando on twitter with 200 followers
December 14th, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^
I agree, I just looked pretty thoroughly at the twitter account of this particular 'Speed in space/Josh Gattis' and see nothing that indicates he's a credible source on anything, other than the big foam Nebraska cowboy ? hat he's wearing in his Twitter userpic. Nothing there that I could find indicating he's a Nebraska "beat writer".
I'll now go look for an actual website/news outlet with real information.
(Edit @ 6:48 pm)
https://www.klkntv.com/trev-alberts-responds-to-speculation-surrounding-mens-basketball-program/
...UNL Athletic Director Trev Albert denies social media rumors of an NCAA investigation into Nebrasketball.
December 14th, 2021 at 6:21 PM ^
Turgeon to Nebraska
December 14th, 2021 at 6:23 PM ^
I heard they're planning on bring in Kelvin Sampson to clean up the program...
December 14th, 2021 at 7:30 PM ^
Why does a Nebraska beat writer use that Twitter handle?
December 14th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^
You would think Nebraska wouldn't mind a little creative interpretation of the rules if it meant better basketball. Still, interesting news indeed if it is the case...
December 14th, 2021 at 10:20 PM ^
Success with recruiting violations USED to work for just about anyone. Witness in football MSU in the 1970s with Denny Stolz - beat #1 OSU which caused Woody to finally rat on the MSU guy (before that Woody was glad Denny would siphon away some Ohio recruits from Bo).
Charlie Pell, formerly of Clemson then Florida was the Godfather of better performance thru cheating.
Long-timers (i.e. 1980s UM grads) will remember Illinois' Mike White (post Moeller era at UIUC) had a different kind of recruiting violation (bringing in JC players from Cali with questionable GPAs and transcripts). White was also very successful at Cal doing the same thing before his UIUC gig.
Bruce Pearl is the epitome of today's hoops cheat - but because he finds ways to win and is popular with fans he never seems to get fired.
After we smoked Nebraska and then laid an egg at home vs. Minn, I expected people would be ready to see him leave.
Smells like Tenn and Jeremy Pruitt.
December 14th, 2021 at 10:33 PM ^
Once they decided to keep Frost, they had to figure out a way to get out from under Hoibergs deal