mGrowOld

November 28th, 2014 at 7:02 PM ^

Richrod is a great coach at West Virginia

Richrod is a bad coach at Michigan

Richrod is a great coach at Arizona

What's the constant and what's the variable? Amazing how well the dude can coach when not having to deal with all the infighting and political bullshit that he had to contend with here. I hope the pricks who cared more about their personal agendas and the horror of having a HC who uses the word ain't and isn't a Michigan Man are happy. He got what he deserved and so did we.

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MileHighWolverine

November 28th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^

Do you honestly feel like Hoke has shown competence at any level at all during his tenure here? Because to me, it seems like a grab bag approach to coaching that somehow worked his first year (when OSU went 6-7 and MSU wasn't what it is today) and he has never shown any cohesive philosophy or game plan. 

And his record has been worse every year where RR's improved and his career record is around .500. After 4 years, vs 3 that RR got, why would we keep him? 

 

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Jack Harbaugh

November 28th, 2014 at 7:21 PM ^

They don't run a true spread. He runs almost the same offense that Tressel did: a power spread. Recruiting speed and a few small lineman won't win you games. Most of you seem to have forgotten what it was really like when RichRod was here. Against a competent defense he couldn't move the ball and against a competent offense he couldn't stop a popsicle from melting in January.

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rbgoblue

November 28th, 2014 at 7:25 PM ^

They don't run a "true spread"? What is a "true spread" anyway. I see a lot of small slot receivers all over the field and a qb who is running it 10-15 times per game. And regarding our "small offensive linemen" you must be referring to the 4 RR starters that are currently on NFL rosters, correct?


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Woodson2

November 29th, 2014 at 8:34 AM ^

RR would prefer running the spread geared towards the running game. The spread is used to get good athletes in space. It just so happens that during his time here, RR had one of the most gifted athletes in the country as his QB so he tried to call plays to take advantage of what his best player does well. He is doing the same at Arizona but Solomon is more of a passing QB, he isn't super fast but more of an elusive player who can evade the rush and make throws downfield. So people might say RR changed his offense but he did not. If he had Denard Robinson or someone like him he would be using his legs much more often. Similar to the way he used Pat White. Solomon is more like Shaun King. In fact one of the bigger issues Arizona has had this season is that Solomon is not taking advantage of huge running lanes created by the read option, he isn't especially adept at recognizing when to keep it. Thus RR is forced even moreso to utilize Solomon as a passing threat only.

Ohio State is the same way, Urban Meyer will use the spread to utilize his personnel. If he has a fast QB like Braxton Miller, you will see him running much more often. If he has an accurate passer like JT Barrett, you'll see more of a balanced attack.

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raleighwood

November 28th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

People like to conveniently forget that he lost his last three games by 20, 30 and 38.  That his teams moved the ball like crazy between the 20's but were ineffective in the red zone.  Remember the four tries from the one yard line they couldn't punch in against Illinois?  Or that they didn't move the ball at all against the reasonably adept/physical defenses of the world (Wisconsin, OSU,  MSU, Mississippi State....). 

Why doesn't Michigan have any 5th year OL on the squad this year?  Because RR didn't recruit any.

Why did RR nearly burn Gardner's redshirt for no apparent reason in 2010? 

Remember the ridiculously ill-advised fake punt against MSU?

I was at the 2011 Gator Bowl which was probably the worst loss in modern Michigan football history (post-1969).  No way he could keep his job after that game.  No way.

I can go on and on regarding RR's self inflicted missteps at Michigan but what's the point?  He was a bad coach at Michigan and deserved to get fired.  He's doing a good job at Arizona and he deserves to be complimented for that.  Good luck to him in the PAC 12 Championship game.  

 

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MileHighWolverine

November 28th, 2014 at 7:44 PM ^

@raleighwood - the bowl game was a worse loss than App State? I can go through every one of your points and show how 50% or more of the blame lays to rest at the feet of the fools in charge of the Michigan AD but I'm too tired to do that now. I'll let his record EVERYWHERE ELSE other than at Michigan tell the story. 

Maybe he took stupid pills while he was here....

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raleighwood

November 29th, 2014 at 1:16 AM ^

The Mississippi State loss was MUCH worse than the App State loss.  People get way too caught up in the name.  App State won three consecutive D1AA titles.  They weren't chumps.  Michigan lost on a blocked field goal on the last play of the game.  Compare that to losing by 38 to a middle of the road SEC team when you could barely cross midfield all day.  It was a much worse loss.

Sure, please explain to me why the botched fake punt against MSU was the AD's fault.  Tell me why the AD didn''t have enough beef up front to punch it in from the one.  Tell me why the AD could handle and "down and distance" dilemma when Michigan was perpetually in 3rd and long situations (similar to 2013).  Tell me why the AD played a Josh Groban  song at the banquet!

 

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MileHighWolverine

November 29th, 2014 at 9:37 AM ^

We were the first ranked team in history to lose to a D1AA team....we were ranked #5 in the country and projected to win a MNC and we lost AT HOME.....you are delusional in thinking that losing to Miss State in a meaningless game with a dead man walking coach is worse than losing the opening game of a MNC season to a D1AA team.

All those things you mentioned, except for Josh Groban, were problems he had because he inherited a shit team and a program in complete disarray because LC lost it his last few years. It's hard to turn that all around in 3 years.....especially when every major player in the system hates your guts from the moment you step in the door.

Don't worry though, ask any impartial third party and I'm sure they'll agree with you that RRod is a shitty coach. 

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Woodson2

November 29th, 2014 at 8:55 AM ^

You simply only look at the record when evaluating a head coach and use no other context in your evaluation. If you want to find the best coaches you have to look at their records and why their teams performed as they did. RR had to rebuild an entire program in his style. And he was given bad players to rebuild with. So what does this mean? It means not only were the players on his original team bad, but he would also have to go through the growing pains of young, inexperienced players that he brought in. It's a miracle to me that he ever even improved his record as the seasons went on. Add on to the lack of talent, horrible administration that undermined his every move and it was shocking to see any kids even wanting to come to Michigan.

I wonder why his teams performed badly against dominant physical teams like Wisconsin, OSU and MSU. Hmmm, do you think it might have had something to do with starting more sophomores, freshman, and walk ons than other teams around the nation? MSU, OSU, and Wisconsin were established teams with deep rosters full of talent and upperclassmen. Of course Michigan had no shot genius. No coach would have coached those Michigan teams to victories over MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, or Mississippi State. That Mississippi State team was much better than you are giving them credit for. No way is that the worst loss since 69, you are insane! Not only could he have kept his job after that loss but he absolutely should have kept his job. He is a great coach and is proving it once again. You and the administration at that time were just horrible at judging the quality of a coach.

RR rebuilt an entire roster full of players who got us to the Sugar Bowl under an incompetent staff. I would say that was a success. RR would have crushed teams in year 4 with that offense. His defense would have been much improved because that team had more talent. No RR was not a bad coach here, he just wasn't given time to show what he can do with a full roster of his players. He's simply a great coach who wasn't given a chance here.


Again, what does RR have to do to show you silly "RR was the wrong fit here at Michigan" people that he is simply a great coach anywhere? If he wins a national championship at Arizona was he still just a bad coach here who would never have succeeded?

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RJMAC

November 28th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^

Because he wasn't a Michigan Man or laughed at him because got emotional at the banquet, karma is a female dog sometimes. That's #RICHRODKARMA .

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goblue81

November 28th, 2014 at 7:05 PM ^

*popcorn* - The only thing that is definitive is Arizona is better at football than Michigan - right now.  Woulda coulda shoulda...  I'm not part of the Fire RR camp nor part of the Told You So RR4Life camp.  I'm more upset Zona won because the Sun Devils are my adopted 2nd team since moving to Phoenix.  '

Oh Well... at least no one will be talking about how the RR/Hoke situation worked out this week. .... sigh

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blusage

November 28th, 2014 at 7:05 PM ^

Yeah, so please let's not accept any "we're a young team" excuses from any of our coaches anymore. Everybody else seems able to win with freshman in key positions.

 

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