Just saw on Twitter that Ron English just put something up on Facebook about how he just receieved a call from Coach Hoke and that big news is coming out soon. English as the DC again?
Ron English as DC again?
DOOM of Mediocrity!
It's on his facebook page not twitter
or you could read the post
No thanks. He had beastly players when he was here. I could've "coached" that group and help win 9-10 games...just sayin'.
still, for the life of me, cannot figure out how M didn't beat OSU in 2006 with that D...
He was too much. I hate facing running QBs. Such a pesk. If that was a QB like Krenzel, Michigan destroys them but Smith was unbelievable that year.
English had Woodley, Hall, Branch, Harris, Crable, Taylor, etc. Like I said, I could have won with that group.
Smith made no big plays with his legs? Just the opposite in fact, he got sacked repeatedly. We lost that game because OSU went 4 wide and negated our front 7.
That, and a certain helmet-to-helmet penalty.
Yep. I will never forget that game. We had linebackers covering slot receivers all day. We were badly outschemed.
The 4-receiver sets neutralized our front seven and forced Johnny Sears to match up against Hartline and Robiske. Brilliant tactical game planning by Tressel and the difference when our two programs were otherwise evenly matched. Like the Clarett wheel route in 2002, Tressel always seemed to have a couple tricks up his sleeve that Lloyd could never match.
You mean a phantom helmet to helmet penalty
Let's go to the tape:
What part of "helmet to helmet" isn't there? As much as it pains me to say it, that's a good call, and a must-call every single time. Crable made a dumb mistake.
It was phantom because I'm a Michigan fan and thus believe every call against us is bullshit and the other team is holding our defensive line every time.
Honestly was that helmet to helmet, I think it was a late hit more than anything but still that was a bull shit call and I'm sticking to it.
Right or Wrong, Innocent or Guilty I'm behind Michigan 100% of the time.
I find it funny that you got neg'd for that comment - regardless of the facts shown on the video. Our perception of truth is greater than the truth shown on the video.
The way I saw it was that Crable lead with his shoulder (if you slow it down, you see him tuck his head and lead his shoulder out) to make the hit. Smith was moving laterally and moved further than what Crable was expecting. Smith was one of the most elusive quarterbacks in the league and had beat us on multiple broken plays along the sideline, so I don't blame Crable for making the sure hit. It was incidental and yes could be called, but also could have been a no call. I will never blame Crable for the hit.
IIRC, the flag was thrown for a late hit not helmet to helmet, which was a questionable call too. I dont believe the NCAA or NFL were penalizing helmet to helmet hits like they our today.
You recalled incorrectly. It was a flag for helmet to helmet, not a late hit.
Doesn't matter if he led with his shoulder. That's a pretty vicious head-to-head hit, that came after Smith threw the ball, with Smith straddling the sideline. That's a no-brainer 15-yarder every single time, no matter if you're wearing your Michigan blinders or not. It was a dumb hit, an unnecessarily vicious hit, and a late hit. Dumb, undisciplined, and ill-timed, as these penalties usually are.
Smith had just released the ball. I see these types of hits all the time when the QB is in the pocket and is hit right after releasing the ball. This happens so often that they actually mention this statistic, in addition to the actual tackles, many times during the game. He did not hit him late, which would have been undisciplined and dumb, his helmet hit Troy Smith's helmet, and this was done because of the lateral movement of the play.
Repeat, the call was not a undisciplined late hit, it was a helmet to helmet call. Since Crable lead with his shoulder, it wasn't a viscous intentional hit. The call was made, and it was a ill-timed penalty, but to call anyone who disagrees with you as just having Michigan blinders on, is an obvious attempt to use ad hominem attacks when your argument isn't as strong as you think it is.
Which is why I don't want English. It took way too long to adjust to that. We played nickel for most of the first half when they were spread out. Our linebackers just couldn't keep up. We actually played somewhat better in the second half, but too little too late.
My take while watching the game 4 years ago was that we were playing scared on defense. English was an aggressive play caller that whole year, and in the tOSU game he wanted to sit back in zones and let everything develop in front of them and not attack. Their fear of getting burned kept them from doing what they did all year.
BTW, isn't English still the HC at EMU? How much damage would that do to our in state recruiting with the high schools knowing that we had a man on staff that resigned 2 weeks before NSD to take a lesser position at another in state school?
no one will fault him for leaving EMU, even if it is as DC at Michigan. It's still a step-up IMHE.
Brady Hoke has continually said it is about the kids. How would English leaving the ECU program in that manner be about kids? I cannot believe that Hoke would even entertain the idea, and if he does we will know it is all coachspeak and fluff.
Who cares about their kids. We can't touch every kid in the world.
...let's be honest. English is probably getting fired after next season anyways (as one of the very few EMU Alums who are fans on this board: My program kills coaching careers, it just happens...).
I get the same thing from my friends every time I say this but the field was horrible that game and though we both played on the same field and all of that, I believe we got the worst of that deal trying to get traction to get after Troy and those receivers of his...
Also do you remember how awful that field was in the game. i just remember woodly trying to use his speed to get off the ball and his feet just slipping and him not moving.
Yes, osu created themseves a real home fied advantage that day.
because we only played press coverage in the second half ):
OSU spread the ball out and went total anti-Tressellball. We did not adjust soon enough and that goes on both the DC and the HC.
Coaching makes a big difference with two evenly matched teams.
I give Lloyd and staff a pass for that game. It must have been real hard to coach when Bo had passed the day before, much less adapt to osu's uptempo game plan.
It was the Rose Bowl where they looked befuddled that bugged me.
I agree.. I can let the 3 point loss, on the road, to the #1 team in the land go, especially the day after Bo died. It was a great game (although the play that sticks in my head is Henne missing Manningham on a double move in the first half). But the loss to USC in the Rose Bowl was embarrassing. It looked as if we had never watched a minute of USC game film, and didn't adapt our game plan. It reminded me of Tressel vs. SEC.
what came first.. the chicken, or the egg? would those players be who they were without Mr. Ron English? The world may never know...
And why do you think we had all of those beastly players? Because Ron English is a hell of a recruiter and while his scheme had its flaws the issues were fixable and I believe he would do a solid job back as DC
That year was English's first year on staff. Said beastly players were upperclassmen. Thus Ron English did not recruit them. Instead Ron English left us with the big dearth of defensive upperclassmen we have now.
It was his first year as DC but had been on the staff since 2003 - his California connections got us leon hall, donovan warren, and of course Johnny Sears
Yes, but only when those good players underperform. If you're Larry Coker and they perform worse than you know they should (and the team gets less talented every year), yes, you are a bad coach.
FWIW his profile picture is of him in Michigan gear. If I'm looking at the same Ron English Facebook page as you.
Just noticed that the profile picture has comments from 2009. So the profile picture is probably irrelevant now.
You can't blame him. Who makes EMU gear anyway, CafePress?
no longer available
resign as head coach (granted 1 win in 2 years) to be DC of another. any other examples of this?
left Grand Valley to be a position coach at Notre Dame.
I don't think leaving a DII program is in the same ballpark as leaving a DI program. DII coach to DI coordinator (especially BCS conference) makes sense to me. I think it's much more rare to see DI head coach leave to take a DI coordinator position.
This sounds sort of like Greg Robinson's track record before become our defensive coordinator, except:
- Greg Robinson had a better record as head coach; and
- Greg Robinson had perfected the art of "touching players" by rubbing stuffed animals on them.
Current DC at Washington, left the Idaho job to take the USC DC job under Pete Carroll.
More or less.
he is leaving. Friend of mine talked with him recently and he is not likely to leave for a coordinator job when he is head coach. He is also optimistic about the upcoming season, so doubt there is much validity to this.
No!!! Doom against Spread Again
What should I title my threads?
Please make your thread titles as informative as possible: "Justin Feagin" is bad. "Justin Feagin leaving the team?" is good.
Good to know. Fixed.
Aw man, I was trying to edit it once you changed the title. Here's a creepy cat.
I would say "better", but the idea of the thread title makes me shit icicles.
Don't forget the air siren to let people know they are about to get roasted...
I didn't know where to find it....I have failed you master.
Nonsense. A surprise death is probably better than a slow one at the hands of DB.
that would not be good -- like the hire of Ron English as the DC so shortly into the flameout that is Eastern Michigan. Mattison or Austen rumors are sounding mighty nice about now.
You know Yoopers are held to the highest standards!
we are doomed.
It might be fake, who knows. I was looking at TomVH's page and someone tweeted this. Can't find him on facebook so who knows.
Today is MLK Jr. Day, not April Fools. Stop it.
Hold me Hunter. Hold me tight.
If Ron English is hired, and we have a same or worse year as a team, no children or women will be spared nuclear holocaust. Brian's recent dispute will seem like a smokebomb to the amount of vitriol that will be spewed. Hoke and English?! That's is the best we could do?! I am alright on Hoke for now, but if English is hired, I cannot help but think that DB is stuck in some kind of glass case of stupidity.
8- and 9-win seasons to the MAAAAX!!!
If English or anyone of similar talent is hired, I will forever refer to DB as RF (Ric Flair).
DB's biography tape he sent in to MSC for athletic director job:
this points to LC running the coaching searches...
There are rumors that Ron English had something to do with information being leaked to the Freep. I guess he did not take it well when RR got the job. Those are just internet rumors by people who have "connections" so believe them at your own peril.
There's rumors of a lot of things.
Little secret: They're not all true.
Profile has over 1000 friends including current and former players and someone named Brian Cook:
I think it's a 4 year old fake rather than a today fake but a fake nonetheless.
Lloyd is soooo running this program.
if true, I am afraid, very afraid.
It isn't saying much, but I am trying to take any solace I can.
What happened to DB's grand speech about opening the checkbook and not holding back about the best available coaches out there?
If we are forced to say English > GERG, we have failed on epic proportions. App. St > English
I don't know if it was all English's fault however - thinking back to McNabb and Syracuse, it seemed we couldn't defend a mobile qb/spread attack well before his time.
I hope you are right, but English hasn't really put together a dominating defense at EMU even in conference play.
the money is for the new scoreboards, duh.
you didnt think we'd let jerry win, did you?
has the cold war taught you nothing?
Also the money is to buyout the adidas contract. The players were able to persuade DB after hours of chanting Nike.
Brandon's response was "We don't break contracts", which he said a week after firing his coach and breaking his contract...
Technically it's only breaking the contract if he refused to pay the buy-out since said contract has a "buy-out" close written into it to allow for a parting of ways.
That Ron English facebook page has got to be fake. "Ron" is friends with "Lloyd Carr" and "Rich Rodriguez."
I mean, I am, too (with RR and LC, that is), but yeah, they're fake.
I hope it's fake, but can't see how it's real.
Of all possible candidates out there, I find it impossible to believe Ron English is the best Michigan can do. How English is mentioned in the same sentence as Mattison, Trogovac, Austin, and Bedford is beyond me. I am going to bed and hoping I dont see a Hello Ron English post in the morning.
Kind of like Brady Hoke in the same sentence as Ji-.... Oh, wait.
I'll follow this lead and go to bed also, but in the morning knowing what I know now I don't know how I can type in those 7 letters in the am. I'll be for sure closing my eyes as the page loads praying for no Hello: Ron English again posts
You mean Ron English Camo Deer? It's all the rage on Twitter right now.
But no, this is definitely fake.
DAMN DAMN DAMN......
I need to stop following Mgoboard. All this shit is killing me.
But you'll be back. Yeaaah....you'll be back. You always come back.
I thought Hoke was a bit of a defensive specialist...... wouldn't his DC be granted the same power as Rich Rod's OC; essentially nothing?
but his return would make sense for Carr Loyalists and would go with the entire pattern of this hire...stick with what worked in the past (even if it was for just a year with some fantastic defensive players)
I agree...I was only trying to find a logical reason for this hire which in the current climate means that anyone with a Carr connection is a shoe-in
Enough with the backups.
Time to reveal the A Team for serious. The joke has gone on long enough. You may now reveal plan already.
Involved in app fucking state needs no consideration
Weird standard to use, considering that wasnt even the worst defensive performance we had that MONTH
how could it really be worse?
That's what I thought the last two years.
Disagree. I prefer doom with silver hair and puppets.
Your avatar very much coincides with this comment. Just thought I should point this out :)
Total bullshit. You cannot compare the players on those teams. I might as well argue that Robinson is better because he coached a Super Bowl-winning defense. But that would be stupid, because they're not comparable.
It would be too much like coming back home with your tail between your legs. RE doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.
Who the hell knows.
2007 Rose Bowl:
"That's now 12 straight passes completed against this Michigan defense by Matt Leinart."
Didn't Tolzein (sp?) complete some ridiculous number of passes against us this year?
This is not happy laughing.
really really hope it isn't
David Brandon, we all know you fucked up so far but don't do this to our program
also, it would leave me to believe that DB is less pimp hand and more prostitute
That he would come back not as the DC but as a position coach? Please?
the man just got his ass whooped. you expect him to be smiling and give RR a big hug? perhaps attack him with a cuddly stuffed animal?
Yeah! Ron English shakes hands like a jerk! Screw him!
(I really hope this is all nonsense and he's not coming back, but criticizing him for shaking hands improperly is pretty silly.)
What did Lloyd Carr ever do to you?
Hell, I wouldn't even want him to be the defensive backs coach. Please no!
Will Brady Hoke recruit players in the same way he is recruiting his coordinators?
I think I'll die bit by bit everyday if that is the case.
//Sorry I am feeling really depressed today (maybe to do with the fact that I am getting married in a week)
I am hoping against hope that this is someone's idea of a sick, twisted joke.
Are you people forgetting the disaster our defense has been the past 3 years?
Sure, "the Horror," but we also beat MSU, PSU, ND and Florida that year. We finished the season...gasp...RANKED. Remember that? Sure it was #18, but REMEMBER THAT???
Not saying hiring English would be a dynamic move...he wasn't a great DC, but rather a decent one with some defend-the-spread issues. But he was millions and millions of mega-miles better than anything we've had since. We live in a smashmouth conference, after all, so it's far, far worse for us to have defend-the-smashmouth issues than defend-the-spread issues. Incidentally, that's exactly the problem we've had. 6-18 in the Big 10 proves it.
Would I choose English over Mattison or Austen? No. Would I choose him over GERG or Shafer running the 3-3-5 on crack? Hell yes.
Giving up 35 points to Florida that year. We gave up 24 to MSU. ND was starting a true freshman QB on a bad 9 loss team. PSU's offense was boo boo that year as well. So yeah, I remember that.
When the season started, most people said the defense would lag behind the offense, so that was no surprise. But I'm not going to be lulled into the myth that the Big Ten is a "smashmouth" conference and he could help in those areas. Every team outside of maybe Wisky has elements of the spread. If we can't defend it, we'll get butchered.
Does he suck? No. But the 2007 season just shows he's an average coordinator. But I would take him over Mattison. He ran off multiple good players in the early-mid 90's, and I don't want to see a repeat of that.
1) Won the Florida game, against Tim Tebow in his record-setting Heisman season
2) Shut out ND, freshman QB or no
3) Beat MSU
4) Beat PSU
5) Won 6 games in our conference
6) Finished #2 in the Big 10
In Rich Rod's 3 years we never:
1) Beat an SEC team and/or a team with a Heisman-winning QB
2) Shut out anyone, even cupcake teams
3) Beat MSU
4) Beat PSU
5) Won even 4 games in our conference
6) Finished even in the top 6 in our conference
Agree with you on English's merits as a DC. But the fact that people seem to misremember the past 5 years so egregiously baffles me. Our defense UNDER English was somewhere between "solid" and "meh." Our defense AFTER English was, first, "a step in the wrong direction" and then devolved into "historically, uniquely bad." Realistically, then, a return to English would thus probably mean incremental improvement over the status quo. Again, is that what I want? No. But it's still soooooo much better than GERG's 3-3-5 on purple drank.
You realize that 07 team had 5 players from the offefnse alone drafted into the NFL right? We didn't have to win with defense. It's fun to list off facts. Here are some off the top of my head:
1. First team in NCAA history to lose to a DII (I think they were still called that back in 07) team while ranked inside the top 10.
2. Got beaten so badly by Oregon that the starting running back was laughing in the huddle at the end of the game, wondering which defensive lineman was going to give up next.
3. Let up at least 34 points to 4 different teams.
4. Lost 4 games while having the leading passer and leading rusher in U of M football history on the team.
Please don't think that winning 9 games = good defense.
No it was a D-1AA team who we all totally underestimated. He also only gave up 14 pts. to OSU who played for the MNC that year. And with that great offense that you speak of we scored a grand total of 10 points in the losses to Oregon and OSU, so all can't be blamed on RE. Is he the next reincarnation of Buddy Ryan, no but he is better than what we had.
We allowed far fewer points in 06 and 07 than in 08, 09 and 10. We beat as many Big 10 teams in 07 as in 08, 09 and 10 combined. Oh, and Michigan's record setting offense? Wasn't in 07, it was in 10. But our record-setting defense? You know, the wrong kind? Also wasn't in 07, but in 10. So, all things being equal,far more credit for wins goes to the offense in 10 than in 07.
This is now academic since we hired a different--and better--DC. But the point stands. English's defenses were far, far better than what came after him. Sorry.
There is no comparison because GERG + 3-3-5 = DOOM! What I remember is our defense getting hammered against OSU, USC, App St and Oregon between 2006-2007 in 4 consecutive games. Not until the fearsome duo of Jimmy Clausen and Anthony Morelli did our D stop someone.
If you start equating English to GERG, then yes, that would be an upgrade, but what are we upgrading the D to? What we had three years ago? I'd rather get it right and hire a DC that's going to get us well beyond "improvemnt over the status quo".
So it's moot. But my point was that too many people on here have come to accept this myth that things were so horrid under Carr and his staff, while they were promising under Rodriguez and his staff.
The fact is, in 2006 we had a very good team that really only had one bad half the whole season, and in 2007 we had a talented team that did not live up to expectations but still managed to win a whole bunch of games against good competition, in part because of its defense.
While that's not ideal, I made the point that it was light years beyond the unmitigated, deepening disaster we experienced on defense 2008-10.
Like I said earlier, I would not have wanted English over Mattison or several other candidates. But I would have seen his re-hire as a step up from GERG's and RR's sherm-3-5. Some of the reaction on here was as if English would have been a step down from that. I don't see any way in which it would have been, unless you're so mired in revisionist history that you can't see clearly anymore.
Still wouldn't have been a great hire, though...
But why must we be content with just good. Why can't we have a DC that can be great. Just because our D has sucked the past few years doesn't mean we should shoot for a goal of 9 wins a year from now on. Can't we just get someone who may actually may be great?
On his purported facebook profile? I give it five fakes out of five.
For the love of Christ, just no.
I'm willing to give Hoke a chance, and his enthusiasm for the program is great to hear.
But this would be a huge step backward, which could cause serious head asplosion.
I am just trying to find a positive- everybody seems like a Debbie downer lately- as they used to always say on Fantasy Island.....smiles everyone, smiles.
Lloyd Carr is secretly running this program from his basement in South Carolina via skype.
Seriously if English comes back it will set us back even more defensively. WTF
Skype? That's ridiculous. Everybody knows Carr used ham radio to tell DB's facetube kids when to tweeter the Ron English rumor.
Or smoke signals? Carrier pigeons, perhaps?
Don't sell Carr short - he has a CB Radio for going mobile.
Yeah God forbid that we go back to the days where we actually could stop teams in the B1G. Even with the horror and the Oregon game his defenses never came close to being as bad as what we saw here the past 3 years.
Ron English was a great DC. He has put many of players in the NFL. Since he's left we may have a few go, but that is it.
The only problem with our defense then was our players were not conditioned well and that is not RE fault. That was the S&C coach's problem then. The S&C coach had been with MICHIGAN since Bo and no one would let him go until RR came in and then he retired. With Enlgish we were feared.
I hope this is true. I've been wanting this since he left, cause they would not give him the HC job.
Come home RE, COME HOME.
When you get the chance look up his bio and then look at the S&C coach.
Don't blame RE. Blame the old HC's for not bringing in a new S&C coach
We will be safe.
It's a post on a probably fake facebook page and everyone's crying?
The Sith Lord smiles. It is the end of the republic.
I like Ron. So far I'm not blown away by the rest of the coaches coming here from SDSU. Get as many M guys as possible.
I would def. take Mattison over English.
Big news could also mean UofM and EMU are working out a long term contract to play every year or now that Hoke is back in town they are getting their garage band back together.
or it could mean Hoke contacted English to talk to Steve Morrison. Morrison (started as a true freshman, was all Big-Ten and played 4 years with the Colts) is English's lb coach.
my plan worked perfectly everyone! I hacked into his account and put that up. Guy hasn't used it in months.
What a great way to make the mgoboard panic!
I don't know if his FB post was ever confirmed.
I hope our defensive players all have fathers. If not, Ron English doesn't want 'em.
While I'd like to paint it in a positive light, I have visions of Chris Graham covering slot receivers dancing through my head.
I was able to cope with:
- the past 3 years
- the delay in firing RR
- the "national search"
- The Hokester
- and the loss of a few rew recruits.
But I simply cannot cope with Ron English as our choice for DC. The very thought of is has me in slight panic mode. I have work to do today yet this news will now force me to neglect my responsibilities and research the hell out of this rumor in hopes that it's not true.
(As I type this, I'll rationalize that the rumor ISN'T true because there's absolutely no reason to wait to hire a DC if the choice is some guy whose season has been over for 2 months.)
Also an outstanding recruitor as well.
I don't think he would give up a head coach job though, even if its EMU
I believe you forgot the /s at the end.
Honestly, I can't figure out the negativity regarding English (and just about everything tied to the Carr era).
In 2006, we had one of the best defenses in the country - we were scary good. Yes, we couldn't stop Troy Smith - neither could anyone else - dude won the Heisman, wrecking just about every D that he faced that year.
Ron English is a good D coordinator. And, more importantly after the debacle that DB caused with the 2011 recruiting class, he was a great recruiter (D. Warren was a 5* from Cali that he pulled in).
English would be a hell of a step up from whatever the excuse for a D staff that we had the past few seasons.
We were scary good against a scary bad Big 10. We won a squeaker against our current coach that year, then got lit up by the two good teams we played in 2006. Then at the start of the next year, with loads of talent, we were again torched by Appalachian State, then Oregon in consecutive weeks. Ron English was very average if that, and played with a massive talent advantage over most of his 2006 opponents, with players who somebody else had coached up.
He also left the cupboard very bare for the next staff. Had Lloyd not left, we may be talking about how English let our secondary get so bad.
If it wasn't for Ron English, we would never have had the opportunity to watch the genuis of Johnny Sears at work.
obvious sarcastic remark...so maybe he is better suited as an Asst. Coach (DC). Maybe the combo of Hoke's defensive mind and English together would bring the D back to U of M standards.
Ron English - EMU
He's improving....I guess
On WTKA this morning, Sam Webb stated his opinion on this, saying that he thinks that that Facebook post is a "hoax post on a hoax page." He said he is 99.99% sure it's a hoax.
He talked about Greg Mattison or Teryl Austin being more likely possibilities for DC.
why does my week have to start w/ sadness?
Please God No. Ron English is a nice guy, but I absolutely do not want him anywhere near my defense. To me this is like a younger version of Gerg.
can you explain how, exactly? I see no similarities.
No coach would hint at these things on Facebook. This isn't a high school recruit we're talking about.
Mods/ or OP you may want to edit the original posting.
Please God not Ron English.
so that gives it hoax status
Yeah, apparently he had a post up two weeks ago saying "the interview went well", and then took that down as well. So I'm guessing it's either someone with a fake account trolling people, or Ron English himself is a master troll/incredibly delusional.
I hope not sounds foriegn to me. He was a really good dc when he had that NFL front 7. Even at at that he was powerless against the spread he couldnt even scheme against app state someone please tell me this is a cruel joke No habla.
If we hire English, my nascent support for Hoke will instantly evaporate. I think anyone who was on campus for 2007 will likely concur.
As a friend of the FB "Ron English", I do not believe that to be really him. "He" also posted a status about 2 weeks ago that read, "I really hope my interview goes well tomorrow..." FWIW...
Ron English, Michigan DC + Appalachian State = THE HORROR!
Does he still have all his fingers? I don't think he ever atoned for THE HORROR or the Oregon beat down the following week.