The road ahead

Submitted by OaklandInPlay on September 12th, 2021 at 10:23 AM

We won those two games more convincingly than I expected. However, I would feel alot better with Bell in the line up and a passing game to complement our elite running game. 

The road ahead seems a lot less intimidating

Northern Illinois - Will be over by the first quarter.

3-0

Rutgers - They look better than expected, but I think we win by two scores.

4-0

Wisconsin - I think we keep it close but ultimately lose 24-17.

4-1

Nebraska - They look terrible, we win by 17

5-1

Northwestern - This could be a trap game, but we win by 10

6-1

Michigan State - They look good this year. This one will be a fight,and I see no reason to pick us to win this game after watching the game last year. But I think having Mike Hart on staff tips the scale and we by 3 late. 

7-1

Indiana - We get revenge for last year but it isn't easy. We win 27-20

8-1

Penn State - We keep it close but they pull away late. 31-17 

8-2

Maryland - We come out sluggish but win by 21

9-2

Ohio State - I think this is our ceiling this year, the chance to ruin OSU's season and make a New Years 6 bowl. It might not matter because I don't they get in over Oregon or Clemson anyway. We fight hard and go into halftime tied at 17, but they win 45-24

9-3

What say you? 

ImRightYouKnow

September 12th, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^

I'm more nervous, if anything. As awesome as the running game was, I want to see some balance out of our offense.
 

Someone is eventually going to stop the run (likely Wisconsin) and I'd like to have a QB and WRs who have had extensive in-game reps. 

Being so single dimensional isn't good. 

ypsituckyboy

September 12th, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^

I haven’t watched MSU at all. How does their DLine look? 
 

If I’m an opposing coach I load up the box and dare Michigan to beat me via the air. I’m not sure our WR corp is good enough to make other teams pay for that.

1VaBlue1

September 12th, 2021 at 10:37 AM ^

Washington just did that, and it didn't matter.

But I do agree with you that the offense will need to be much more balanced as the season goes on.  Wisconsin has won a lot of games through the years, consistently, on the strength of an over-powering ground game.  But we all know they have limits against the more elite teams in important games.  And by "limits", I mean they consistently lose those games.

As for MSU, if they can load the box and not worry about the pass game, I don't think UM wins.  That would play right into their friggen head games and turn it into a mucky game.  That's always how MSU keeps games against UM close, and/or win them.  

joeismyname

September 12th, 2021 at 2:46 PM ^

I agree it’s mostly been that way the last 14 years. I too remember John L. Smith. 2016 never felt in doubt to me, 2018 we pulled away and had cushion, and then 2019 was absolutely comfortable, and if last years team gave a crap which it seemed they were way overconfident, probably would have been comfortable as well. 
My fear is that somehow every transfer MSU got is a real upgrade for whoever they replaced…we know that’s true at RB, and probably QB, but what about the rest of the team? 

I also believe people are not giving us enough credit thinking we won’t improve, I think it’s almost certain we will. I would love to see Henning or Wilson and Eric All really step up. 

Buy Bushwood

September 12th, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^

If we can't find a downfield passing game, 9-3 is the ceiling, not the average. We'll drop another 1-2 games if we can't throw for more than 4 yards or threaten deep.  Wish we would have hired Joe Morehead. I can't tell if this is Harball constraining Gattis, or Gattis lacking the creativity to optimize decent athletes on the outside. But we've seen quite a few seasons like this under Harbaugh, where we look way too physically powerful against weak competition, but then slam our heads into a wall against the real teams. Funny, I remember when we first hired Harbaugh, a 49ers fan got on this board and said to get ready for this exact same exasperation as a fan. 

1VaBlue1

September 12th, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^

Downvote for "Harball".  Are you 12, or an xSU fan?

I will agree that this is 100% a Jim Harbaugh offense and that Gattis' identity as an OC is gone.  Everything he's done in his career suggests this is not his offense.  It also suggests he's not calling the plays.  The difference between now and the last couple of seasons is that this year they're not starting with some 'speed in space' concepts - they've leaned hard into MANBALL from the start.

I'm okay with manball - its FUN to watch when you know you're just beating the crap out of a D that knows whats coming!  But this isn't your dad's football game.  Wisconsin's results over the years proves out the fact that you need to be more balanced to win modern football.

grumbler

September 12th, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^

Why does one game means that "we can't find a downfield passing game?"  The Western Michigan game saw 216 yards passing at an average of 12.7 YPA and you say "we can't find a downfield passing game?"  What does it take, in your opinion, to demonstrate that the team has "found a downfield passing attack?"  How many other teams meet your criteria?  

I think that there were real problems with pass pro in the Washington game.  Those will limit the downfield passing success rate, but I think that there is no evidence that a downfield passing game (as opposed to, say, a West Coast Offence style passing game) is necessary to defeat the three toughest teams n Michigan's schedule.  Oregon beat OSU with only 6.7 ypa, so they also "can't find a downfield passing game" but did what you think is impossible for Michigan.  Penn State beat Wisconsin without a downfield passing game (7.5 ypa).

We can debate the implications of the evidence, but let's use evidence, not feels.

Gentleman Squirrels

September 12th, 2021 at 10:36 AM ^

I think NIU is more of a trap game than NW. Michigan is coming off a big night game and NIU has best Georgia Tech and almost made a big comeback last week against Wyoming. Sure Michigan can roll over them, but if they’re looking ahead or still basking from Washington game, NIU can scare them

Goggles Paisano

September 12th, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^

There are no games any longer to take for granted.  Look at ND or the 'Noles yesterday or Wash last week or many other teams already this season that lost as heavy favorites or found themselves in a dog fight.  NIU won at Georgia Tech in week 1.  GT is not a good team, but still an ACC team.  I would not take NIU lightly.  

LSAClassOf2000

September 12th, 2021 at 10:55 AM ^

There has always been a very human obsession with forecasting because we want to be able to plan actions and set expectations, but it is incredibly difficult to do with consistency in football, so I get why these threads probably seem pointless ultimately, but we're talking about people doing a very people thing really. 

BlueMk1690

September 12th, 2021 at 10:52 AM ^

I think it's pretty amazing to post that we'll be tied 17-17 at HT in a game played in 2 and a half months. You must never lose any sports bets with that ability to forecast.

Before the year it seemed very difficult to evaluate where the team is given the abridged season last year and the major changes since then. I was thinking anything between 5-7 and 9-3 seems possible. The "worst case scenario" thinking usually included a loss to Washington.

Now we've won that, and regardless of whether Washington is considerably worse than anticipated or not, that's a W in the bag that we couldn't pencil in before the season. So my thinking is that we'll probably be toward the better end of the possible range - and 8-4 seems like a decent possibility though naturally there's still a range.

I'll have to see us do more in the air offensively and the D stop an offense that's more explosive than either WMU or UW to adjust expectations upward further.

1VaBlue1

September 12th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^

As I've said all OT season - I don't really care what the record looks like, so long as I see a better team.  One that looks organized, competent, and will FIGHT.  So far, I see those traits in this team.  They look good, they're organized, they're hitting hard and playing harder, they don't seem to give up on plays, and they're having fun.  The coaching staff also seems to be hitting on all cylinders, so far.

I will say that the offense needs to get better in the pass game (no passing game will kill them), and that the defense needs to improve its pass coverage (was UW's 2nd half pass game actually good, or was it going against backups for the most part?).  But if going back to the 2015, 2016, and even 2017 (if a QB existed) offenses is what's best for the team, then I'm on-board.  Those were competent teams that actually competed at the highest level.

skatin@the_palace

September 12th, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^

This isn’t me trying to be a homer or anything (especially since I watch every Wisconsin game too; family obligation) but they absolutely can beat Wisconsin. This is a “Down” Wisconsin year. They can get to Penn State undefeated if they keep playing last night I.e. shoot to kill. Find opponents deficiencies and run it into the ground. Defensively PSU is better that Wisconsin but by that point in the season the variations on schematic themes will be opening up. This team can press for double digit wins and most importantly set itself up for deep runs this year and next.  

BornInAA

September 12th, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^

Probably a correct assumption.

Assuming key players of ours are healthy.

Big Ten teams are not going to let Corum go A gap 150 yards.

They will also have better O-lines and will throw crossing routes.

joeismyname

September 12th, 2021 at 3:17 PM ^

Why is there this assumption that every B1G defense will be light years ahead at defending the run than a very good Washington defense??…one that has good players in the front seven, that we just dominated the way we used to all dream of when RichRod took away all of our yearly accustomed physicality, and when Hoke was going 27for27. Also…running the ball is what is giving OSU D all kinds of fits now, and I guarantee their DB’s are not as NFL ready as Washington’s are. Those guys were studs, hence our propensity to run at will. Have you all never seen a PAC12 team beat a B1G team? Or “out physical” them, because I have many times. I think Washington gives us AT MINIMUM a look at what a middling B1G team will give us, especially with their style of play.

….I know, I know, they lost to Montana, but also give 2007 Michigan a look, or how about the couple of times VAtech has lost to JMU or Old Dominion (might be the best comparison actually) and we would all be happy to beat VAtech I believe. 
 

I agree with whatever poster said we can play mostly like we did last night and still have a real chance to go into Happy Valley undefeated. Also, I have to assume that we will average at least 150-175 or so passing yards/game by years end with probably a 35/65 pass/run split. I hope it balances out a little more like 2016, but our run game may honestly be TOO GOOD to just ditch 1/3 of the RB carries in order to get guys some (hopefully)good receiver stats to impress recruits. Honestly, if we average around 150-175 passing a game, and very minimal turnovers, there’s a very good chance at going 10-2 or better, as not turning the ball over and playing good D usually goes well when playing on the road. (Cough, Penn State, cough, last week, cough)… I also fully believe once McCarthy takes over (this year or next) once fully comfortable running the offense or by force of a Cade injury, the passing game will open up tremendously, but hopefully not the turnover game to go with it. 
I wish we could just be happy we have the 2021 equivalent of Lawrence Maroney/Marion Barber III so far…but with more overall talent around them on offense and defense. 

iMBlue2

September 12th, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^

I see it this way pretty much with the caveat that I think we lose one we’re favored in and win one that we’re not. Also I don’t think Penn State is that good.

8 win floor 9 wins seems right.  I do like how this team is set up to grow and build over the season.  The schedule helps out a lot.

blue in dc

September 12th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^

I think the more interesting (and important) question is, does this staff have a coherent plan to make sure we are improving every day.

On offense:

- While frustrated with the play calling so far, I could see a rationale if it is about building to something better (and I don’t mean hiding your best plays for future opponents)

- In the Western game, while we were still run heavy, we were more balanced before losing Bell.   In a game where we lost Bell, the coaching staff had two choices.   The first was: commit even more heavily to giving the team practice at jamming the ball down the opponent’s throats, or focusing on getting the other wide receivers practice, we went with the very Harbaugh approach.    The key question is, was that choice made because it was what we needed to beat Washington, or was it what we need to be a truly good team?

- In the Washington game, it appears that the coaching staff believed that the only way Washington was going to beat us was turning the ball over.    They were certainly proved right in believing that we could beat Washington with almost exclusively a run strategy.

- While Northern Illinois is almost certainly our easiest game of the season, our hopes of a better than 8-4, 9-3 type season rest heavily on whether we use an easy opponent to build confidence in our passing game.   If we rely heavily on the run, we are probably sunk.   If we decide we need to establish the run and build up a lead before opening up the passing game, we are probably sunk.  Next week is the time for Harbaugh to prove that he means it both when he says, “We are not gonna fall in love with”our performance and when he asks “what have you done to beat Ohio State today”.    This team has a long list of things to do to improve their chances of beating Ohio State.   Game plans the next two weeks that revolve around “establishing the run”, or “establishing our identity” as a team that can run, our not the response we need to either of those Harbaughisms. 

Double-D

September 12th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^

Rutgers is decent this year.  Same with Maryland.

Wisconsin and OSU can both can be beaten. PSU looks really good.  MSU is going to be a street fight.  

NW is dog shit this year.

This schedule is pretty grueling.  There are not too many easy wins and plenty of peril.

Michigan has as much or more talent than anyone other than OSU. 

MRunner73

September 12th, 2021 at 11:51 AM ^

I'll focus on NIU and keep an eye on Rutgers since they will round out September and the 4 game home stand. NIU is another good MAC opponent.

I want to see a better passing attack. Another 300 yd+ ground game wouldn't surprise nor disappoint me against NIU. However, adding 200 yds of passing would be very encouraging.

UM_Ftown

September 12th, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^

6 or 7 wins is still my estimate until I see we can throw against teams not in the MAC.

The first test to see if this JH team is different is to win a game you're not supposed to, ie probably going into Madison and winning. 

Durham Blue

September 12th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

Don't sleep on NIU or Rutgers.  I think they will be closer games than anticipated.  NIU can move the ball on offense.  And Rutgers under Schiano appears to be reborn.  Neither team has the talent that Michigan has so they both should be wins.  But I am not about to bet the house on Michigan ATS in either game.

MGrether

September 12th, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^

I was ok with the ground and pound (especially when I heard that Washington’s LBs said “you won’t be able to run like that on us” During the week) especially with the chance to get more linemen game experience - which is good for building quality depth. Bo and Woody must have smiled from football Valhalla on those 20+ straight runs  

Or at least I was until I went back to look at when we did pass the ball. Cade missed WIDE open people, choosing instead to make the more difficult throw. They have me hives about what will happen when someone is able to stop our run game OR can put score us our defense.

JDeanAuthor

September 12th, 2021 at 2:34 PM ^

Depends on whether or not we can get the passing game going. While losing Bell hurts, it’s not an insurmountable loss. On another board, an apt comparison was made between Cade and Jake Ruddock, who improved as the season went on.

FlexUM

September 12th, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

Yeah I’m right with you. They win the games they should and lose the games they should lose (on paper, referring to psu/uw/osu) with the potential of dropping one they should win. 

This is quite literally lined up to prove if it’s “same old same old” or not. 

I think I can look positively on this season if they pull of 10-2. That means you beat one of those three above. That means the team will have to “play above” to do that. They will have to improve and show mental fortitude throughout a long, tough season. Can they do that? Dunno…