Rich Rod's Demeanor

Submitted by BlueChitown on
Much has been made in the past of how "hot-headed" Rich Rod can be. He's been accused of taking things out on his players indiscriminately on the field. This is a meme that has been passed down even by some WVU fans after RR's infamous departure from that school. However, this is just not what I see. Yeah, okay, so he yells at the players from time to time. It's football. All coaches not wearing sweater vests yell at their players. And it seems the camera likes to pan over to the coach just as he's givin' the kid some emphatic correction. On the other hand, I've actually been impressed with the balance in how RR handles himself on the sideline. There is method to the "madness." Take the OSU game. I don't think I saw him yell at a single player in that game. Through 5 Forcier turnovers, Rich Rod maintained a level-headed demeanor. It seems to me he knows what his players need to hear. Whether that's calm encouragement or heated criticism. Of course, I can't speak for what goes on in the locker room, but this is just what I've observed from watching the games.

BlockM

November 25th, 2009 at 10:16 AM ^

If he were all smiles out there while his system was being butchered (a little too harsh, maybe), I would be confused. The kids obviously like him, and all we see is the games and the press conferences.

UMichinCA

November 25th, 2009 at 10:22 AM ^

"This is a meme that has been passed down even by some WVU fans after RR's infamous departure from that school." Funny how you never heard anything negative about his demeanor from those clowns while they thought he was their golden-boy forever. It wasn't until after he gave WVU the heisman that he suddenly was the worst example of a human being imaginable.

wvgoblue

November 25th, 2009 at 8:53 PM ^

@ UMichinCA - Being from WV and living there RR got plenty of attention from the media from the departure of Don Nealon and his "hands off" approach. A lot of people gave him flack the first couple of years. Since RR is gone and WVU has their own Gomer Pyle with a sweater vest of his own it has became almost embarassing how he goes over to players who fumbled, drop balls, whatever and gives a pat on the shoulder and a "atta boy, you'll get it next time" attitude. Sometimes you need a good butt kickin!

weasel3216

November 25th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^

I really am glad to see the emotion RR shows on the sideline. Like slappie said, it shows that he wants to win and is frustrated with the execution of the team, in all aspects of the game. As for seeing little yelling from RR in the game against OSU, i would have thought that the seniors (mostly BG) would have been the one yelling on the sidelines.

Section 1

November 25th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^

Rich Rod yells at his players during games LESS THAN Bo Schembechler ever did. (And he yells at Big Ten refs far less than Bo, Gary Moeller or Lloyd Carr.) What I saw this year in particular was that RR seemed to be more upset, talking into his headset, while the defense was on the field, but that was because, to my observation, he is less invoved in the defense's calls and player substitutions than was Bo, or Lloyd (both of whom, like RR, had defensive coordinators that they basically relied on). To imply that RR is a hothead on the sidelines during games is untrue, and anybody who has observed both sidelines at Michigan Stadium for 30 years would know that it is an unsupportable claim.

The FannMan

November 25th, 2009 at 10:47 AM ^

Bo yelled all the damn time! When he yelled at refs the student section would chant "BO, BO, BO" while raising and lowering our arms in a "we're not worthy" gesture. This happended 2 or 3 times a game at least. Lloyd would also go off. (I have zero problem with this - working the refs is part of their job.) Players who screwed up also got yelled at. Rich Rod's style is no different.

diehardalum

November 25th, 2009 at 10:39 AM ^

"Through 5 Forcier turnovers, Rich Rod maintained a level-headed demeanor." Are you kidding me? Immediately after Tates interception in the red zone, Rich Rod grabbed Tate's jersey and said "Why can't you throw the ball where the play is?!!" How is that keeping your head? Its clear that Rich Rod has lost is cool with his players on the sidelines more than any other coach at Michigan. When you ask the question, Why didn't other coaches make this mistake? Because a in order for a player to play to the best of his ability, he has to know that his coach will be with him through thick and thin; through the good times and the bad. Each player has to go on the field and strive to play his best, rather than play not to screw up or be punished. Under Rich Rod we've had more problems with fumbling the ball than I ever saw with Loyd Carr. The reason... the players are jittery and nervous when the coach calls their number. Furthermore, at the end of the game its obvious that Rich Rod was punishing Tate by sticking D Rob in there simply to run the ball when we're down by two scores. Take it from a guy who was part of a team that was subject to a verbally abusive coach who lost his job because of it. If you don't KNOW that the coach is behind you, you will not have a productive team.

MGoLurker

November 25th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^

I am not sure that it is obvious that Rich was punishing Tate by playing Denard at the end of the game. If I recall, two of Tate's last three passes had been thrown directly at Ohio State players. Moreover, Tate had already thrown four interceptions (not to mention the fumble). Because the game was out of reach, Rich may have been protecting Tate from pressing even further and throwing a fifth interception. Even with four interceptions, the headlines I saw after the game were typically something like "Forcier gives Ohio State rivalry victory and Big Ten Championship." A fifth interception may have wounded Tate's confidence further, subjected him to additional media criticism, and qualified him for one or more undesirable records.

Section 1

November 25th, 2009 at 11:04 AM ^

Were you at the game? I was there, watching, from the opposite (East) sideline, which gave me a clear view of what happened. (Farther away, than seats on the West sideline, yes, but with a clearer line of sight.) I'll describe it for you. I had binoculars, too. The play ends, with a clear interception in the North endzone. The offense filters off the field, with RR standing on the sideline, at about the 25 or 30 yard-line. The offensive guys walk/run off, and Tate exits the field at about the 20, walks behind RR without their exchanging words, and, with Tate about 5 steps away from (and mostly behind) RR, he flings his helmet down on the ground, with the mouthpiece (stuck in the facemask) flying off in a different direction. RR could see it from the corner of his eye. He said nothing to Tate. Tate was yelling, at no one in particular. He was clearly upset, as much as I have ever seen from him, and it appeared to be that he was mad at himself. RR did not yell at Tate, and he did not grab his jersey. Tate lost composure, albeit for just a moment, and albeit NOT on the field of play. I knew at that moment that he'd have to sit, for at least a series or two. Tate deserved it. I think Tate would say that he deserved it. End of story. End of dispute.

Blue In NC

November 25th, 2009 at 11:20 AM ^

HA! I assume this is sarcasm. If not, you have never seen Lloyd give a player the cold shoulder and then sit him down for fumbling. As a player you would rather get yelled at but then be back in to redeem yourself as opposed to never seeing the field again. You certainly have never seen Bo grab players and toss them around for making mistakes. Granted it's a new generation and Bo's antics would never fly now, but RR is tame on the sidelines in comparison.

Seth9

November 25th, 2009 at 11:27 AM ^

Next time, you can surpass yourself and come up with an even bigger falsehood. 1. All college football coaches yell. 2. That comment isn't really out of line.* 3. Bo Schemblecher was famous for yelling at his players. He took pride in it. 4. Why is it bad to pull a QB who has five turnovers in a game? 5. Pay attention to who is getting the bulk of the fumbles. This year, it is Forcier and Robinson. Last year, it was Threet and Odoms. Guess what, all of these guys were freshman starters. Freshman generally turn the ball over more than experienced players. The amount we turn the ball over is too high, but there are certainly better reasons for this than Rodriguez yells too much. 6. Finally, please explain the circumstances that led to your verbally abusive coach to be fired if you want to use him as an example of Rodriguez's failings in this regard. I've seen verbally abusive coaches in baseball leagues for eight year-olds. They (often) get fired because verbal abuse is not warranted at that level. However, there is no comparison between a non-competitive league for children and college football. *Sidenote: How do you profess to know exactly what Rodriguez was saying to his players?

BlueintheLou

November 25th, 2009 at 11:59 AM ^

Did you ever think that we have had so many fumbling problems not because they are jittery and nervous the coaches are calling their numbers, but because they are 18-19 year old freshman and sophomores in their first seasons of college football. No, that can't be it. That can't be it at all. Experience means nothing.

Bando Calrissian

November 25th, 2009 at 12:08 PM ^

Being 18=19 years old, however, does not automatically mean fumble machine. How many times did Mike Hart fumble his freshman year? Anthony Thomas? Chris Perry? There's a point at which you have to stop saying it's because they're young, and start talking about ball control.

BlueintheLou

November 25th, 2009 at 12:24 PM ^

That may be true, and how I wish we had a Mike Hart, Anthony Thomas, or Chris Perry. But it is a far more logical, potential explanation than the players being jittery and afraid of their coach. Ball control is certainly an issue. Ball control is definitely THE issue, but Hart, Thomas, and Perry, had the advantage of playing with veterans all around them. You increase your chance of young, inexperience-laden mistakes when your proportion of young inexperienced players goes up, which it certainly has. However, ball control is still THE issue with them. That needs to be one of the key teachings as soon as these kids get in. Hold onto the damn ball.

jmblue

November 25th, 2009 at 3:11 PM ^

Perry had major fumble problems his first two years, so I'm not sure how he can be used as a counterpoint. As for Hart and Thomas, yeah, they didn't fumble much. But they were tailbacks. Comparing them to Forcier/Robinson is apples and oranges. How about looking at the other young QBs we've played over the years? Grbac, Driesbach, Griese, Henson, Navarre - they were all turnover machines at first. Heck, even Tom Brady started his college career with a pick-six.

bcsblue

November 25th, 2009 at 10:50 AM ^

I like my coaches to look like John Wayne the ol' stoic cowboy. It just makes me calm and I think everything is under control. Just preference. I like yelling but the pouting is a little awkward for me. That being said I have broke multiple tv's and controllers while playing NCAA football. So again, stones glass houses etc.

BrayBray1

November 25th, 2009 at 10:53 AM ^

that Coach Rod brings to the table. Unlike Dennis Green, he will not let you off the hook if you fuck up, and that's the best way to learn from you're mistakes. Crown his ass.

diehardalum

November 25th, 2009 at 11:14 AM ^

as you call it... I also got kicks out of watching Bobby Knight throwing chairs. But hope you'll also like seeing the fumbles, interceptions, and the players playing less than their potential. With that in mind coaches like pete carol, Brian Kelly, and Urban Meyer will always get better peak performance out of the same pool of players. More transfers from UM would also not surpise me.

Section 1

November 25th, 2009 at 5:29 PM ^

You don't die very hard, do you? The trope about "more transfers from UM" has worn thin with me. Who do you think will be transferring? When? Your source for that info is, what? Let's follow the story through the spring game, shall we? And see if it is true. You and I should circle that date to talk about this again, okay? And, might I suggest, in the interest of clarity, that you quit writing stuff like, it "would not surprise me," if... Those are weasel words. It would help to understand you if you wrote, "I have reason to believe that ------- and ------- will be transferring, because --------." That supplies the neccessary specificity. Otherwise, I'd like to tell you that it would not surprise me if tomorrw turned out to be Thanksgiving. It would also not surprise me if Michigan went to the Rose Bowl next year. I'm not predicting it, of course. I'm just telling you that it wouldn't surprise me. p.s. [Oh, and welcome to this, your first day at MGoBlog. Whoever you are.]

Seth9

November 25th, 2009 at 11:31 AM ^

1. Bobby Knight crossed the line a lot by acting like Woody Hayes and striking/pushing players, leading to his firing (well, leading to his firing when he wasn't winning like he used too, anyway). Rodriguez doesn't. 2. Bobby Knight's teams were generally very disciplined and didn't make many mistakes. So he is actually an example of how being extremely tough on his players actually makes them better.

caup

November 25th, 2009 at 11:42 AM ^

Have you EVEN WATCHED Brian Kelly on the sidelines?? He chews his players a new ass all the time. Hell, when they played UCONN you could see him yelling at one of the O-lineman: "What the fuck is wrong with you!?!?!" And I'm talking inhis face screaming with spit flying onto the kid's face. So yeah, don't use Kelly as one of your examples.

El Jeffe

November 25th, 2009 at 10:27 PM ^

No shit. A consistent story on Kelly, which we have all heard, and which I have on good authority from people who went to GVSU and Cincinnati, is that Kelly is, at times, a colossal screaming dick. I personally don't have a problem with that, as long as the volume is not matched by Mangino-esque content. But to say that Kelly would get more out of his players because he wouldn't yell at them is well beyond idiotic.

BlueintheLou

November 25th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^

You just don't pay attention, do you diehard? As many people have stated, this intensity that you dislike so much from the new regime, was rampant during your glory days of Bo, Gary, and Lloyd. They did the same things. You can't prove otherwise, and everyone here knows that Bo was the king of "intensity". Get your head out of your ass.

The FannMan

November 25th, 2009 at 12:14 PM ^

Are you comparing the talent at USC and Florida with that of Michigan's 2009 squad? I mean really? By the way, did you notice that even Pete Carroll had problems with a freshman QB despite all the talent on the rest of team. If he had our problems all over the field he might not have reached 5 and 7. I don't mean to pile on, but you have to at least be close with you facts around here. And please, do not beat the "Rich Rod made them transfer drum" around here. Mallett refused to even talk about staying becuase he wanted to go to Arkanasas to play for Petreno. Boren sold out so his little brother could get a scolie. Aww hell, find a Diary on the defense by Misogopon and he lays it out. In sort, the cupboard was bare. Of course, Rich Rod doesn't recruit defensive players, right? Oh wait . . . Cullen who? Huh? What . . .

BlueDog

November 25th, 2009 at 11:59 AM ^

The man is our Head Football Coach, not our Ambassador to the world, and I like the way he handles himself. I like the way he handled the Mealer situation. I like the way he (obviously identified the talent shortage and) created a walk-on program that put two useful bodies on the field on defense. I like the way he boots miscreants-- no second chance, fuck up and you are gone-- to the point of tossing a useful DB in a season when he was badly needed 'cuz attending class seemed to be an issue. He looks to me as if he is trying to be constructive with his in-game histrionics. I have watched most of his press conferences, and hear he is very effective in the home. I dont blame him for having so little talent to work with. 15 scholarships under the limit? 2 seniors who contribute on defense? Give Coach Robinson 5 additional starter quality players (who by all rights should be here) and we could have played defense this year. I like that we are already seeing an influx of defensive players, with more to come. RR is our coach, and I am glad to see MgoBlog making an effort to steer away from the Chicken Little mentality.

Tim Waymen

November 26th, 2009 at 3:09 PM ^

How much did Bobby Knight's infinitely stupid comment about rape factor into Myles Brand's decision to fire him from Indiana? Side note: I just realized that "Myles Brand's" has a surprisingly awkward sound to it. Update: Knight made the comment in 1988, so the answer is probably no.

Section 1

November 25th, 2009 at 5:32 PM ^

In addition to the fact that there is zero evidence that RR is anything other than a perfectly-normally-demonstrative-major-college-football-head-coach, there is this: Remember that the initial concern about Rich Rodriguez's "demeanor" was manufactured, out of thin air. It was the product of public mystification at what the Boren family press release meant, when it curiously and rather obliquely referred to an "erosion of family values at Michigan." At the time, people scratched their heads, then turned on their computers and started musing in cyberspace about what it all might have meant. Hmmmm? Swearing at players? Hitting players? Working them too hard? The rumors swirled, and the fact that there were so many guesses, and they were so varied, pretty much proved the point that no one had any idea what the Borens were talking about with the "family values" reference. (A few days later, Mike Boren made his tiny revelation to Mark Snyder in a Free Press blog entry that he would "not have [his] two sons playing for two different universities.") We now know what a complete crock the "family values" kerfuffle was. That by his own account, Justin Boren had told the Free Press a year earlier that his dad had yelled at him with such fury at halftimes in his Pickerington North games, that Justin had thought "somebody might call the cops." The stories alleging a bad demeanor on the part of Rich Rodriguez aren't just unsupported; they have been largely fabricated.

Tater

November 25th, 2009 at 6:30 PM ^

In this era, I doubt that Bo would get a chance to amass the record he did. He would be charged with being "verbally abusive to players," and half of the players who got yelled at would run to mommy and daddy, who would immediately demand that something be done about "this heinous injustice to our son." The media would harp on it, document it, and demand his resignation at the first sign of decreased performance on the field. Sadly, too many people forget one fact: football is played by men, not pussies. If a player can't endure being yelled at, how can you count on him to suddenly display toughness in the fourth quarter of the BCS Championship game? For that matter, how can you ever expect to get to the title game with a bunch of weak whiners on the team? I truly hope this trend is cyclical and that it isn't something that is inexorably marching toward a day when coaches aren't allowed to raise their voices to players.

Bando Calrissian

November 25th, 2009 at 7:12 PM ^

All of this "if Bo were coaching today" or "if RR were Bo" business is getting a bit tiresome. Although while we're on the topic, when you say the media would "demand his resignation at the first sign of decreased performance on the field," don't forget that Bo won a conference title his first season, then went on to lose 4 games over the next 5 years, winning another 4 conference titles in the process. Decreased performance meant a couple 4-loss seasons and Harbaugh breaking his arm in 1984. So, yeah, let's cut it with the Bo comparisons.