Revisiting Preseason Predictions & Definition of Successful Season

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Before the season started, I had them going 10-2. I knew they had a young team, but I assumed it was a more talented & athletic team than years past so that would make up for it. It’ll be interesting to see how they close out the season. How’s your preseason prediction looking right now?

From your perspective, what does a successful season looks like for this team. Did it already fail due to the losses to MSU and/or Penn State? Would you consider beating Wisconsin on the road a marquee win? I’m sure everyone would agree a win over Ohio State would make it successful, but let’s say they lose to Ohio State, but win the rest of their games and the respective bowl game, finishing 10-3. Is that considered a successful season to you?

lilpenny1316

November 1st, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

That's what my daddy said, so it must be true.

I have a sneaky feeling that the OSU game this year is where we swing the rivalry back into our direction.  People forget we were one possession away from winning probably half the games since 2005.  All we need is a good, healthy quarterback and it's looking like we're going to have that until at least DMac leaves.

This is Michigan

November 1st, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

I was confident in UM beating MSU at home but it’s hard to win with 5 turnovers. Maybe they win with Speight but O’korn over Peters was the right call after his performance against Purdue. If it hadn’t for the MSU loss I think this team would be right on schedule with my 9-3 preseason prediction. Hopefully they can pull one out vs Wisconsin or better yet Ohio State.

Perkis-Size Me

November 1st, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

Just beat OSU. I want to see Peters progress within the offense as well and begin taking command, but seriously, just beat OSU. 

That's probably the only thing that can make up for the disgusting travesty that was this year's MSU game. 

CLion

November 1st, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

Basically have to beat OSU to make up for MSU. It would be nice to win a tough road game in Madison, but winning out is asking a lot. I don't care about the bowl game.

goblue16

November 1st, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

Honestly had we not lost to MSU everyone on this board or at least most people would be perfectly fine with the season so far. The offense has been very inconsistent but Boone would b freaking out had they not lost to MSU. If we beat OSU I hope everyone will stop shitting their pants. Until then the season has been disappointing

poppinfresh

November 1st, 2017 at 4:08 PM ^

I hope people dont shit their pants (especially if we beat Wisco).  Looking at things today, it'd be hard to see a case of us beating OSU. 

we win 3 out of 4 against wisco and dont get blown out by OSU and a bowl win and thats a solid year. 

CLion

November 1st, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^

The problem is if we lose to OSU, Harbaugh's Michigan resume then includes two games lost we shouldn't have (2016 Iowa, 2017 MSU) without winning a single game where we weren't more or less expected to lose (barring 2017 win in Madison). Together with the three cointoss losses to MSU (2015), OSU (2016), FSU, and that's a pretty hard pill to swallow to lose to OSU again, even if on paper we should.

poppinfresh

November 1st, 2017 at 4:47 PM ^

but under my best case scenario we are 10-3 three years in a row over achieving first year, under achieving the second and slightly underachiving year 3 (record looks good, losses to rivals bad). if we lose to msu psu osu next year than ya we have some serious thinking to do. 

And if Peters plays pretty well, you love everything we are bringing back next year Minus the O Line. ask 4-8 notre dame or 3-9 MSU about down years. 

uminks

November 1st, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^

I had losses to PSU, WI and OSU.  I also thought we would lose one of the following: UF, IU, MSU or MN. I now think we  have a chance of beating WI on the road and play a close game against OSU. Maryland on the road could be a tough game. So, it possible we could win 9 or 10 games.

RainbowSprings

November 1st, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^

IMO finishing the regular season 8-4 is totally acceptable. Anything greater than that would be a surprising pleasant development at this point. Getting 2 more victories could be a challenge with a RS Freshman QB at the offensive helm. (I started the year expecting 9-3 for the regular season, directed by a healthy 2016 pre-Iowa version of Speight.)

taistreetsmyhero

November 1st, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^

Going into this year, almost everyone thought that this season was a rebuilding one and that next year would be THE YEAR. So, a successful season means that one could still realistically believe in next year. So far, the results of this season don’t support that belief at all. But, the offense is improving, and good showings against Wisconsin and OSU could go a long way. That is why I frankly don’t give a damn about our record.

uminks

November 1st, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^

Having a healthy Sp8 may have been enough to beat MSU. Though, Sp8 did not look good during pre-conference play. Odds are we split the next 4 games and finish 8-4. Next season our new QB will still be in learning mode, plus we'll have tough road games at MSU and at OSU. PSU will be a tough game at home. May be 10-2 next season. 2019 is looking like the best chance to win the B1G and reach the playoffs.

ST3

November 1st, 2017 at 5:29 PM ^

Schedule-wise, 2018 appears to be near an impossibility. If you figure you have to win 2 of 3 road toss up games, that probability is only 50% (LLL, LLW, LWL, WLL, WWL, WLW, LWW, WWW). Then, you have to beat the west champ at a neutral site, 50%. 50%*50% = 25%. Then, you have  to win the semifinal, neutral site, top four team, 50% chance. Now we're down to 12.5%. Then, you have to win the final, neutral site, top four team, 50% chance. So the odds of winning it all in 2018, even assuming we're a top 4 team, is only 6.25% just due to the schedule and the playoff gauntlet.

2019 is better, but road games at Penn State and Wisconsin are difficult, as we found out this year. If you drop one of those, you have to beat all of ND, MSU and OSU at home. That's why I'm dieting, eating right, and exercising, so I'll be around for our national championship in 2027.

I Love Lamp

November 1st, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^

In my book. Thought Michigan was a 8-4, 9-3 team. Thought at worst we’d lose FLA, PSU, Wisc, OSU. But I honestly thought we’d be 7-1 at this point, with losses still coming against Wisc and OSU. I didn’t see MSU coming within 10 this year, so that was a major letdown. I guess at this point, continue to improve, and definitely don’t lose to Minny and MD. 9-4 with a bowl win I’d accept. Next years schedule is a bitch, but I still think we have a great season next year, probably taking off in 2019.

bluepalooza

November 1st, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^

Thought defense would be issue and offense would be good with Speight. Still thought a 11-2 season with losses to PSU and OSU. Win of course in Bowl. Still can be 11-2. Just have to do it hard way now. :-)

Soulfire21

November 1st, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^

Yes. I thought 9-3 going in to the year. The only surprise was MSU’s resurgence (relative to last year). I think the game in Wisconsin is a coin flip. 10-3 would be fine.

SpikeFan2016

November 1st, 2017 at 4:31 PM ^

I don't judge bowl game additions to the record at this point until I know the opponent/situation. 

 

The way I see it (this is in line with what I thought before the season):

  • 10-2: Great/successful season given the youth
  • 9-3: Solid season, meets expectations without exceeding them. 
  • 8-4: Disappointing, but not bad season. If we wind up here losing to UW/OSU, the reason it'll be disappointing is that we should not have lost to MSU at home. 
  • 7-5: Bad season/failure. If we lose to both OSU/Wisconsin, AND to one of Maryland/Minnesota, this season will be a failure in my book. 

Before the season I was expecting 9-3 with a victory over Florida, a loss to Penn State, and a victory over one of OSU/Wisconsin. The MSU loss is a pretty big letdown. At this point, 9-3 is possible, but I think 8-4 is more likely, with that close MSU loss being the difference between meeting expectations and underachieving. 

Tuebor

November 1st, 2017 at 5:10 PM ^

I don't think Wisconsin has the offense to blow us out.  OSU certainly does.  I think wisconsin will be hard pressed to score more than 20 against us.  They aren't as dynamic as PSU or OSU.  That said can we score more than 20 against Wisconsin's defense?  My hunch is no.

FL_Steve

November 1st, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^

Beating Ohio is a successful season. I don't care about the rest this go around. Wouldn't mind watching an Auburn match up in the Outback bowl though...

MichiganForever

November 1st, 2017 at 4:35 PM ^

Unless we beat Ohio State. This season has been a failure. Losing to a mediocre MSU team does not make a successful season.

 

There will be deluded Michigan fans talking about how we were slated for 8-4 but nobody predicted we would lose to a 3-9 Michigan state that got blown out by Northwestern, needed to come back 2 scores against Indiana, and lost to Northwestern.

 

Beating Rutgers and Maryland means nothing to me.

 

Ecky Pting

November 1st, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^

An overall record 10-2 is a solid standard deviation above most preseason estimates of Michigan's record for 2017, which IMHO qualifies as being a homer. Here's the rundown of preseason predicted conference / overall records from FPI, S&P+ and the Power Rank:

FPI:      6-3 / 8-4

S&P+:  6-3 / 9-3

PR:       6-3 / 8-4

The only significant difference in terms of the game-by-game breakdowns is essentially a swap of Michigan State for Florida, and of course, all of these presumed that UM had its returning QB for more than 3 games.

Malum In Se

November 1st, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^

Coming into the season I did not know what to expect with all the young players expect to start and/or contribute.  With so much youth and inexperience, I wanted to see development.  I was actually more concerned about the defense especially the LBs and DBs.  I thought 2-3 losses seemed likely.

Despite the early offensive struggles, defense and special teams revised my expectations much higher.  Then MSU/PSU happened.  Now I am back to seeing development and not record as the measure of success.

The last several weeks the OL has shown life in their run blocking.  If that continues with aditional strong games from Peters and the RBs, that is the kid of development that will make this a successful season.  The defense is already there and should stay elite next year even without Hurst.  The offense being feared and not an eye sore is success.  If Wisconsin and OSU just maul our offense into a lot of punts and turnovers, then I probably won't feel very successful however the final scores turn out.

 

ehatch

November 1st, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^

My hope every season is 10 wins, including wins vs OSU, MSU and ND*.

This season I expected 9-3, splitting the big four (FLA/PSU/WIS/OSU) and losing one we shouldn't. We are right on track for that. Yes it sucks that the one we shouldn't was to MSU, but it is clear that Dantonio renewed is contract with the devil to get all the luck in that game.

Win the minnows and split the Wisconsin/OSU games and it will be what I expected. I'd like the OSU to at least get to one of my goals.

 

*When we play them

 

DrewGreg

November 1st, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^

10-3 sounds good. Not great, not bad. The easy comparison would be to look at the Hoke/RR years and point out that this could have easily turned into a 5-6 win season instead of 8-9-10 after the MSU dibocle. I want to get away from doing that, because under Harbz more can be expected. Next 4 weeks are huge for the program heading forward. 

MGoClimb

November 1st, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^

Continuing to build confidence along the offensive line and QB position are what I'm looking for. Solid showings against higher quality teams will build confidence for the team going into next season.

Minnesota, Maryland, and Wisconsin are all beatable teams. With Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin all slated for bowls ahead of Michigan at the moment, that should result in a manageable bowl opponent. A bowl victory could be crucial for momentum into the off season.

I said 9-3 or 10-2 at the start of the season, leaning toward 9-3. That's still doable.

chatster

November 1st, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^

Pre-Season Expectations: Considering youth and inexperience, between seven and nine regular-season wins and a bowl game. Mo Hurst and Rashan Gary get some All-American mention. At least one of the freshmen and one member of the back seven on defense emerges as a future star. Running back by committee isn't a failure. Still on track.
 
Pre-Season Concerns: Unknowns on defense and among wide receivers; uncertainty at quarterback, offensive line and across the board on special teams (new kickers, punter, long snapper, returners, gunners on punt coverage).
 
Pleasant Surprises: The Defense, Chase Winovich, Devin Bush, Noah Furbush, Lavert Hill, Ty Isaac, Sean McKeon, Quinn Nordin, James Foug, Brad Robbins.
 
Disappointments: The Offense, quarterback play (except for Brandon Peters vs. Rutgers), wide receivers, kick returners, Ian Bunting, Kekoa Crawford, Eddie McDoom, Bryan Mone, penalties, sloppy play against Michigan State and blowout loss at Penn State.

UMProud

November 1st, 2017 at 5:20 PM ^

I think W is very good with an awesome coach...if we didn't have Harbaugh then Chryst would be a top choice. I think there is a possibility we can drop one to M or M. Really need to see more Peters to get my homer on.

SpikeFan2016

November 1st, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^

Minnesota lost to Maryland at home, so that should tell you something. 

 

Minnesota has played arguably the easiest schedule in the conference so far (besides Wisconsin) and has 4 losses. 

 

They went 3-0 in the non-conference, but they played Buffalo (were in a close game throughout), Oregon State, and Middle Tennessee State (also fairly close). 

 

Gophers are 1-4 in the conference. 

None of their four losses were games that ever as if Minny had a shot to win. MSU got close towards the end, but Spartans were up big for most of the game and never trailed. Their closest Big Ten game is actually probably their one win, against Illinois at home. 

 

They are bad. 

SpikeFan2016

November 1st, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^

Minnesota lost to Maryland at home, so that should tell you something. 

 

Minnesota has played arguably the easiest schedule in the conference so far (besides Wisconsin) and has 4 losses. 

 

They went 3-0 in the non-conference, but they played Buffalo (were in a close game throughout), Oregon State, and Middle Tennessee State (also fairly close). 

 

Gophers are 1-4 in the conference. 

None of their four losses were games that ever felt as if Minny had a shot to win. MSU got close towards the end, but Spartans were up big for most of the game and never trailed. Their closest Big Ten game is actually probably their one win, against Illinois at home. 

 

They are bad. 

EGD

November 1st, 2017 at 5:11 PM ^

Going into the season I predicted a 10-0 start, but losses to Wisc and OSU for a 10-2 finish.

I obviously underestimated Penn State.  I expected MSU to do much better than 3-9, but I still thought M would blow the doors off them.

I thought Speight would be better than last season, he was worse.  I still thought he'd eventually come around if he'd stayed healthy, but that didn't happen.  I also expected more out of our WRs--especially Kekoa Crawford.  And while I knew the RT position would be a weakness at the outset of the season, I thought it would improve quickly.  While the defense overall has played better than I expected, it hasn't been enough to offset the areas in which the offense was worse than I anticipated.

Now I am expecting an 8-4 record, with a good chance at 9 wins either by stealing one from Wisc or OSU or by winning a bowl game.  I'd be okay with 9-4.  I'd be ecstatic with 10-3.  An 8-5 finish would be kind of a disappointment, but I feel like the program is in good hands so I'd remain optimistic heading into the off-season.

MGoStrength

November 1st, 2017 at 5:12 PM ^

I thought 8-4 or 9-3. I didn't expect the MSU loss and I thought they lose 3 of the difficult games (UF, PSU, Wisc, and OSU). I also thought they may lose one we don't expect because of the young team thing. I did expect the o-line, WRs, and Speight to be better and didn't anticipate the injuries to Speight and Black, but I'd say the QB and o-line and projecting upwards, so all is still as expected.

bertsteele11

November 1st, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^

My preseason expectation was 8 to 9 wins. I thought 9-3 would have been just fine given how much this team lost. I know a lot of younger guys saw the field last year, so it wasn't like, say, West Virginia, losing 43 seniors. Anyway, what is frustrating to me is the coaching staff's insistance on sticking with JOK. The MSU game is an easy win with a quarterback playing halfway competently.