The Harbaughnger

November 28th, 2023 at 6:19 PM ^

Maybe I’m reading too far into this (I probably am, but here goes):

If top tier M coaches like Hart are interviewing for HC jobs at other schools like IU, that seems to suggest there could be a bottleneck at M for upward career advancement…meaning, maybe Harbaugh’s staff knows the contract extension is a forgone conclusion and they have to look elsewhere if they want to make more money…

DMack

November 29th, 2023 at 12:10 AM ^

I don't think Harb is going anywhere. Michigan is the dream job and he knows his place in all of football history is set here. He built this program and it works whether he's on the sidelines or not. I think these assistants know the time is right, if they have aspirations of becoming a H.C. at a power 5 school.  This would be a great time to make the jump. I guess I'd rather see Mike at Syracuse than Indiana. We don't eat our young. 

VamosAzul

November 28th, 2023 at 5:38 PM ^

Would be a huge bummer to lose him. But objectively this would be awesome form coach Hart. Seems like Jim has been more focused on elevating Moore and Minter. 

OuldSod

November 28th, 2023 at 7:04 PM ^

Dabo was a WR coach. 

Fleck was never a coordinator before being Westerns head coach.

Urban went from WR coach to HC. 

Kirk Ferentz went from NFL OL coach to Iowa head coach. His only coordinator job was at a prep school. 

John Harbaugh was special teams coach with 1 year of DB to Ravens head coach.

Jim Harbaugh was never a coordinator. 

There aren't many successful head coaches period. Prior coordinator experience can be a great trait to have. But it's not essential if someone has leadership, general coordination, communication, and delegation capabilities. 

m1817

November 29th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

Beilein was head coach at the Newfane HS, 1975-78 and Erie CC, 1979-82, before getting his first four year college HC job at Nazareth in 1982.  It wasn't until 2002 that he got his first major college HC job at West Virginia.  Yes, he was never an assistant, but he paid 27 years dues as a lower level HC, then another 5 years before he got a B1G HC job in 2007.

WestQuad

November 28th, 2023 at 7:34 PM ^

Like why don't you back up your point with examples.

Also Lane Kiffin only had one year as an OC before getting the head coaching job at the Raiders.

 

1997–1998Fresno State (assistant)

1999Colorado State (GA)

2000Jacksonville Jaguars (DQC)

2001USC (TE)

2002–2003USC (WR)

2004USC (PGC/WR)

2005–2006USC (OC/WR)

2007–2008Oakland Raiders

2009Tennessee

2010–2013USC

2014–2016Alabama (OC/QB)

2017–2019Florida Atlantic

2020–presentOle Miss

Sione For Prez

November 28th, 2023 at 10:09 PM ^

I certainly don't look at it being a requirement but even using your examples:

Dabo was an internal elevation to interim before getting the full time job,

Fleck went to G5 Western,

Urban G5 Bowling Green, 

Ferentz coached for 9 years or so under Hayden Fry as OL coach and left to be a HC at Maine before bopping around the NFL for a couple years. He had connections to Iowa and Fry long before getting that job. 

Jim went to FCS school first. 

So I don't think being a prior coordinator is a requirement but it is still exceedingly rare for someone with no coordinating or previous HC experience to get hired into a P5 job. Hart obviously has some help considering his previous ties to being on staff at Indiana. 

Hail Harbo

November 28th, 2023 at 5:56 PM ^

When you are purchasing an item or hiring an employee, or contractor, it is you the purchaser or hiring agent that determines value. Not your Aunt Bee, not the seller, and certainly not some guy on the internet.  I'm quite sure that if the Indiana U athletic Director is interested in interviewing Mike Hart he's also quite aware that Hart has never been a coordinator, and thus doesn't necessarily count it as a prerequisite for the head coaching position of his football team.

Blue In NC

November 28th, 2023 at 6:01 PM ^

I don't think the poster above was suggesting that IU needs to list it as a prerequisite for the job, only providing an opinion that it might make sense for IU to hire someone with at least a few years of coordinator experience.  Then again, Hart was a coach there so IU is more familiar with him than other candidates.

LDNfan

November 29th, 2023 at 3:11 AM ^

He's already been HC for a P5 team..it was half a game but that's got to count for something.  /s

This is good for Mike. Even just getting the interview is good experience for him. 

Harbaugh said there were several guys on his staff that would be HC candidates and not surprised Hart is one, especially for this job.

ak47

November 29th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

Arguing for Hart to be the head coach is like when people argued for Yaklich for the basketball job. Its a terrible argument. I like Mike Hart but what has he shown to make it seem like he should be the head coach? He's a mediocre recruiter, isn't running the offense, and the two running backs regressed this year.