Projected 2012 Michigan Starting Lineup vs. 'Bama
QB - Denard Robinson (Senior)
RB - Demetrius Hart (Sophomore)
WR1 - Roy Roundtree (Senior)
WR2 - Ricardo Miller (Sophomore)
Slot1 - Jeremy Gallon (Junior)
Slot 2 - Je'Ron Stokes (Senior)
LT - Taylor Lewan (Junior)
LG - Quinton Washington (Junior)
C - Christian Pace (Sophomore)
RG - Patrick Omameh (Senior)
RT - Michael Schofield (Junior)
Defense (Assuming 4-3) - (Assuming 3-3-5, sub out Talbott/Ash, Furman in at Spinner)
DE - Jibreel Black (Junior)
DT - Will Campbell (Senior)
DT - Terry Talbott (Sophomore)/Richard Ash (Sophomore)
DE - Craig Roh (Senior)
LB - Cam Gordon (Junior)
LB - Kenny Demens (Senior)
LB - Mike Jones (Junior)/Josh Furman (Sophomore)
S - Marvin Robinson (Junior)
S - Carvin Johnson (Junior)
CB - Cullen Christian (Junior)
CB - Terrence Talbott (Junior)/ Courtney Avery (Junior)
P - Will Hagerup (Junior)
K - Random fan from student section
October 15th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^
em0?
Also, I'd put Avery in front of Talbott. I don't think Johnson or MRob are ever going to be safeties... I think the 2012 starting safety isn't even on the team yet.
Edit: And I'm an idiot as the person said below JT Floyd will be a RS Sr. in 2012 so he should be one of the starters.
October 16th, 2010 at 3:16 AM ^
Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix aka HaHa. Playing against his would-be team.
We can hope right? screw that, Bama will lose the rest of their games and HaHa will come here, so HaHa to them! or us I mean!
October 15th, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^
No love for JT Floyd?
Maybe you are saying he becomes a lockdown corner next year and starts running a 4.3 40. Then leaves early for NFL draft to become a first round pick.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:08 AM ^
Becomes a lockdown corner next year, then declares early for the NFL draft only to run a disappointing 40 time, goes undrafted, and ends up on a practice squad.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:12 AM ^
Too soon?
October 15th, 2010 at 11:09 AM ^
Part of me hopes though that Cullen earns the spot with his talent. JT is just the best option we have now and the corners we have now with real talent are just too young to expect anything from.
October 15th, 2010 at 12:38 PM ^
Am I the only one that thinks he has actually been pretty good? CC getting burned against MSU is no different than JT getting burned against Western last year. All the missed tackles and poor coverage by CC, Talbott and Avery are no different than what happened to JT last year.
Obviously JT was in his 2nd year on campus last year, but it was his first real opportunity to see the field. Likewise, TWolf didn't really see the field until his 3rd year on campus last year and everybody was saying he would be a borderline All Big Ten (Twelve) CB this year.
I'm not sure we can assume that our 3 freshman will be better CBs than JT in 2012 or that he "is just the best option we have right now and the corners we have with real talent are just too young". I read this as you inferring that JT does not have real talent. Correct me if I'm wrong.
From what I can see, I would have to disagree. JT has done his job in our cover-3; he hasn't gotten beat, he has been decent in his tackling ability, I can't really think of a moment in any of the games where he made a WTF play. He actually played well in bump-and-run coverage against MSU. He's not Woodson, Jackson or Hall but he looks like somebody that is and will continue to be a very solid CB for us.
October 15th, 2010 at 12:50 PM ^
If he hadn't hit on my (now ex) GF through FB chat knowing full well we were "in a relationship" I would have more love for him.
/yes this actually happened
//yes I still don't really cheer for him because of it
October 15th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^
Why is she now your ex? Or, to put it another way, what was the result of his hitting on her?
October 15th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^
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October 15th, 2010 at 11:30 AM ^
what if there isnt a 2012 nfl season....?
October 15th, 2010 at 3:34 PM ^
What if the world ends in 2012...?
These are the hard hitting life questions we must all ask ourselves.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:08 AM ^
Will start in 2012
October 15th, 2010 at 12:39 PM ^
Kovacs just has "it." An innate sense of where to be and how to tackle. Even when/if our D becomes good (G-d willing), Kovacs will have a place in the starting 11. By 2012, he may even be a 2nd/3rd All-Big Ten type.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:09 AM ^
I like Avery's upside more than Christian. Other than that I like what I see especially with Cam as a blitzing, bone-crushing LB.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^
No Furman?
October 15th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^
Agreed that Cam Gordon could be a great WILL. I also think that if Kovacs gets benched, it's only because all of these guys exceeded expectaions. Now excuse me while I laugh like a James Bond villian at our projected offensive roster.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:11 AM ^
He's been quiet this year, can we expect to see him more with Odoms' injury?
October 15th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
But isn't he more of an outside receiver, or at least has been playing outside? Or is he like Odoms, a slot who was playing outside.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
But isn't he more of an outside receiver, or at least has been playing outside? Or is he like Odoms, a slot who was playing outside.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^
But, double posts arent taken too kindly around these here parts... I wont neg you though.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^
No, in fact you're not wrong. Not sure what happened there, but sadly my record of never double posting has been broken. Guess there's a first time for everyone.
October 15th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^
Stokes is an outside receiver as far as I have seen. He could play ether but has mainly been used at WR and that is where he was playing in HS and recruited to play in college IIRC.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:12 AM ^
The "Marvin & Carvin" safety combo.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^
CARVIN ----->
<----- MARVIN
CARVIN ----->
<----- MARVIN
October 15th, 2010 at 11:13 AM ^
I like your thought to look ahead, but lets get this season done first. It is WAY to early to look ahead to the 2012 starting lineup because we have no idea what the rest of the recruiting class looks like for this year or even next year. You never know there could be some guys this next recruiting class that become studs and start that we haven't even gotten commits from yet (Zettel, Crawford, Walls to name a few).
October 15th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^
Thinking logically again. Don't you understand that the most important thing right now is to focus on two years from now? In other words, what is happening now is 2012. Whats happening in 2010 is so 2008. Get with the program, bro.
October 15th, 2010 at 1:15 PM ^
Ha my bad my man. I guess I should just stop thinking about this year, and hell next year and focus on 2012. Thanks for the wake up call NB. I'll try to focus harder next time on forgetting this year.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^
we run the 3-3-5....
October 15th, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^
October 15th, 2010 at 11:20 AM ^
Isn't Stokes an outside receiver exclusively?
I could see Khoury starting at center in 2012. Those extra two years of experience over Pace could make a big difference. If it's close I think that the more experienced guy gets the nod. 2012 will be a "win now" year.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:18 AM ^
I can't believe that we are talking about the starting line-up not for this week, not for any game this season, not even for NEXT season, but for 2012.
Awesome, I'm in:
My first observation - only 3 sophs and 0 frosh on offense. Obviously that could change with injury or transfer (or, alternatively, a break-out recruit who comes in ready to kick ass), but barring anything unexpected, this is a solid offense. Senior Denard, with a somewhat experienced Dee (backed up or backing up experienced RBs) is going to be deadly, expecially behing that line. Lewan will be a donket-hating man-beast by then.
My second observation - with the exeption of the Tablott / Ash DE spot - all upperclassmen on defense. Think about that for a second. All upperclassmen. All on scholarship. All experienced. All playing their natural positions. It may not be the most 5* stacked D in the country, but it will be light years from where we are now.
This looks like a very good team. To me, barring injuries, the only thing that could derail us is if we go on another epic B10 slide which somehow results in RR not lasting until next year. Right now, that is my biggest concern.
October 15th, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^
Donkey-hating man-beast comments always make me laugh and result in +1
October 15th, 2010 at 11:20 AM ^
This thread is filled with so much hype and anticipation based on recruiting rankings.
Would be a funny read for the start of the 2012 season.
October 15th, 2010 at 8:36 PM ^
see you in 2 years
October 15th, 2010 at 11:21 AM ^
October 15th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^
As long as Roh is here, we will probably run more 4-x than 3-x as the base set. He's too small to play DL on a 3-man line except on obvious passing downs, and is much better as a DE than as a LB.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:21 AM ^
The fact that in 2 years were going to be able to debate on who should start and where compared to this year and even last year when we didnt have any other options, is a huge positive.
Hope to see Furman, Kellen Jones, Walls, and Byron Moore in this starting lineup.
Jernigan and DePreist wouldnt look bad in that lineup either.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:23 AM ^
Looks good right now, but I see some difference makers that move up into the starting lineup on D coming aboard between now and then.. Of course that would be hard to predict seeing as they are not on the roster yet.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^
where's avery? he's been the best freshman corner so far.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^
The fact that there will be a lot of upperclassmen no matter who starts is very encouraging. Not having to play a ton of freshmen will be great.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:33 AM ^
We need a Martinesque man-beast in the middle. If we don't pick up that guy or Big Will is still standing too tall we might need to run a 4-3 to get the most out of our d-tackles. I love all of our guys but we need to remember how truly phenomenal Martin is.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^
Alternatively, here is what people in 2008 were probably saying about the 2010 start game.
QB - Newsome / Beaver
RB - McGuffie / Shaw (half hit)
WR1 - Stonum (hit)
WR2 - Hemingway (half hit)
Slot1 - Odoms (hit)
TE - Koger (hit)
LT - O'Neill
LG - Mealer?
C - CMolk (hit)
RG - Barnum
RT - Khoury
Defense (Assuming 4-3)
DE - RVB (hit)
DT - Will Campbell? (class of 2009 I know - not much else out there)
DT - Mike Martin (hit)
DE - Sagesse (half hit)
LB - Mouton (hit)
LB - Ezeh (hit)
LB - B. Smith
S - Mike Williams
CB - Warren
CB - Turner (i know - class of 2009)
CB - Cissoko
Offensive projections would have been: 5/11 hit
Defensive projections would have been: 4.5/11 hit, one of which was Ezeh, so really 3.5/11
I think this goes to confirm why our D is so bad.... Thoughts?
October 15th, 2010 at 11:39 AM ^
you beat me to it :(
October 15th, 2010 at 1:16 PM ^
What about Schilling?
Overall approaching 50% right, but must of the misses were on the OL and in the nuclear blast decimated DBs. It seems reasonible that the RR has enough of his own pieces in place now that there would be more stability from 2010-2012 than from 2008-2010. We'll have to see and trying to project a trend off one data point and logic is tricky, but my guess is that the OP's projection might have a hit rate approaching 70%.
October 15th, 2010 at 1:19 PM ^
edit: herp derp, thought you were replying to something else
October 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^
Good call on Schilling. So, 6/11 hit, or 55%.
While I agree the keeping of one's head coach should lead to more stable results, 70% might be a stretch, and here's why:
Players that haven't seen the field or have never had a meaningful/starting role:
- Offense (7): Hart, Miller, Gallon, Stokes, Washington, Pace, Schofield
- Defense (4): Talbott (DT), Big Will (close call, but I included him), Jones/Furman, and MRob
So that's half a starting team right there that hasn't seen the field. To assume a 70% rate, you'd have to get 16 out of 22 right. That means 5 out of the 11 above have to hit. Possible? Yes. Would I take the other side in a bet? Absolutely.
October 15th, 2010 at 3:40 PM ^
October 15th, 2010 at 11:38 AM ^
imagine if we said what our 2010 starting secondary would be before the 2009 season:
warren and boubacar at the corners with troy and vlad at the safeties in a 4-3 with mike jones/ brandin hawthorne as a hybprid safety.
seasons change, time passes by, as the days become the weeks become the years (name that show).