Pass Interference Calls - Why Not Reviewable?
Just curious why pass interference calls are not reviewable? In the last two games, there have been a few huge OPI and DPI calls against us. These calls have either changed the game or have had the potential to change it.
I don't understand why they are not reviewable when it seems like plenty of other big, game-deciding plays are reviewable? These are massive momentum swings in as momentum-dominated of a sport as there is out there.
I have been here for a long-time and am not new to football, but I have never played outside of high school and we didn't exactly throw the ball much in our league so never really thought about this much. Just curious on the rationale and if better football minds can explain this.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:48 PM ^
At least in part because it is subjective. No clear objective criteria like was the knee down before the ball crossed the goal line...
October 27th, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
True, that's right, but the lack of review ensures rat bastard refs can throw a game when they feel like it.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:53 PM ^
NFL has it, so it’s likely coming to the NCAA, especially if it costs a team a chance to go to the championship game.
...likely posted below, but too lazy to scroll
edit: and there it is, just one down.
October 28th, 2019 at 8:41 AM ^
NFL has it in theory but almost never overturns anything. You might as well call it the 'Saints rule' as it appears it was only put in place to appease the NO organization who obviously got royally screwed last year. Review officials probably got a mandate stating you don't overturn PI unless it's to that level of incompetency.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:27 PM ^
1) The "rat bastard" review ref could also throw a game when they feel like it. In fact, given it is one person even more susceptible to unethical behavior.
2) The answer to corruption is transparency and review BY THE TEAMS.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:50 PM ^
Look how it is going in the NFL and then add in college incompetence (ok, the NFL refs are too, I guess)
October 27th, 2019 at 6:46 PM ^
The NFL officials (except for those call in the Lions/GB game), are light years better than college officials. With 60+ FBS games per weekend, there is just no way to get any consistency with it. The targeting rule is already a major cluster-fuck that they can't get right.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^
I personally think the targeting rule has been very successful. It is being called a lot less because the method sof talking has changed significantly.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
I don’t like penalties being reviewable (other than personal fouls). It’s way too subjective. Not a black and white call like completions, fumbles etc. It hasn’t worked in the NFL either. Coaches have stopped challenging PI because they have no idea if it’ll be upheld or overturned
October 27th, 2019 at 6:25 PM ^
To be fair, completions are not black and white either anymore.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
They have stopped reviewing it in the NFL because Alberto Riveron, the head of officiating, has stated publicly that he does not believe those calls should be overturned and so when it goes to him he upholds basically every call made on the field. He is blatantly sticking up his middle finger at the rule change because he thinks he knows better.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:23 PM ^
Was watching the Lions in week 3 or 4 maybe. The announcers said that at that point in the season there had been 28 challenges of PI and 27 times the call stood.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^
Yeah not sure how he has a job still. He isn’t clearly not doing it.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^
I agree many are not subjective. However, when the PI is clearly a phantom call because there is no contact by the player bring flagged is not subjective.
I think they could figure out a way to buzz down and get these looked at.
I'd add in OPI on pick plays were the WR is flat out blocking to the list too.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
Because they are judgement calls and are inherently subjective.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:05 PM ^
NFL refs don’t blow obvious PI but college officials do so all the time. The review is the standard at “indisputable video evidence” so judgement isn’t eliminated. Just the obvious gafs.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:41 PM ^
The Saints would like to show you something.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^
I would guess that the NFL wouldn't put up with O'Neil's gafs.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:52 PM ^
You don't watch NFL football.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:55 PM ^
Unfortunately, I can see an ultimate scenario where they run a play, then review it; run a play, then review it; run a play, then review it, ad nauseam. In which case we would only be able to watch games by viewing WH videos on Youtube.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:58 PM ^
John O’Neil and his crew are the absolute worst officiating team in football. They need to be held accountable for their poor performances.
Sadly, we will probably see them on Nov 30. ?
October 27th, 2019 at 6:35 PM ^
After the PSU-Iowa game, this was started:
https://www.change.org/p/ncaa-fire-referee-john-o-neill-and-his-crew
If there's one thing all fanbases can agree on...it's this. Not that this petition does anything at all...
October 27th, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^
I have been reading Michigan message boards for years.
I have come to this conclusion: Michigan fans think EVERYBODY is incompetent at what they do. And these boards are so full of ridiculous whining and complaining about it (announcers, referees, coaches, journalists etc etc) that I am not quite sure why people on these boards even watch sports anymore.
It seems that some guy sitting in his basement who knows everything should be out there doing something about it, as opposed to posting on various boards 11 million times a day.
Become a ref. Become a journalist. Save the sporting world from itself.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:37 PM ^
You just typed a rant wherein you whine and complain about fans whining and complaining.
good job mastering hypocrisy
October 27th, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^
They mentioned one referee by name.
Naturally, you conclude from this evidence that they think all referees are equally bad.
Nice detective work buddy.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:12 PM ^
Each team should be allowed up to 2 challenges per game that prove to be incorrect.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:57 PM ^
I still think the "sky-judge" concept that the AAF was going to experiment with could be the right way to go. I know college already has a replay official that stops play to check things, so why not allow that person to add some logic to bad calls too?
The obvious answer is that you can find a subjective penalty on every single play. But the sky-judge would be focused on obvious, play defining penalties. A hold on the other side of the play wouldn't apply. A bad PI or missed holding call would.
I can think of reasons why we may never see it.....but when everyone on their couch and the announcers in the booth know a bad call within seconds of it happening - why can't we fix that in the game.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^
They showed a highlight in this game of a former Wolverine touchdown catch where the ball popped out after the catch. Herbie said that would have been reviewed and called incomplete in today’s review and rules. Jus sayin’
October 27th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^
That wasn’t just a former Wolverine—that was former all-time leading rusher Jamie Morris! Give him his due!
October 27th, 2019 at 5:58 PM ^
I agree. The NCAA needs to adopt all NFL review standards including PI challenges. College officials are not good and PI reviews would really improve game outcomes.
October 27th, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^
PI reviews are bad because every incompletion or completion may yet turn into a penalty.
I appreciate knowing the result of a play after the play is over.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^
Yes, & what they have done with reviewing completions takes some of the best, most athletic plays out of the game (like Ronnie Bell's catch vs. Iowa) because of a wiggle.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle man!
October 27th, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
I agree but at least on those (and other plays like sideline catches) there’s an expectation for potential review.
PI review is several degrees worse.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
It allows refs to influence the game to cash in on their anonymous fan duel accounts why would they want to change it?
October 27th, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
ifnu could review or reverse PI there would be no way for the refs to change the outcome of the game....cant have that.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^
I would love to hear the conference's response to that non-PI, PI.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^
My preference would be that less things are reviewable. Too many stops in the game.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:25 PM ^
How can you have indisputable evidence on a judgement call?
Also, it's a waste of time, see the NFL where like 1 out of 30 non-calls has been overturned.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:35 PM ^
How about the defender never touches the receiver and the receiver falls down on his own? I do think if the video confirms no contact, everybody would be fine with the call being overturned.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:36 PM ^
How can you have indisputable evidence on a judgement call?
In that case, should we review completions?
October 27th, 2019 at 9:42 PM ^
That's how they screwed that up, they tried to take any judgement out of what constitutes a catch
October 27th, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
Perhaps "judgment calls" should have such a significant effect on the outcome of games.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:25 PM ^
Refs don’t like to call each other out for being wrong. That’s why they don’t overturn much.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:28 PM ^
It would be reviewed and the play would stand. That’s how the nfl is doing it
October 27th, 2019 at 6:29 PM ^
Why not extend the coaches challenge to include Pass Interference. Challenge that it isn't or it is. If it isn't challenged it isn't reviewed.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:34 PM ^
Because games are already 5 hours.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:41 PM ^
But honestly they could just take some of the existing commercial breaks and WAIT for the coaches challenge to use them. No added time to game.
October 27th, 2019 at 6:37 PM ^
Personally I'm pretty confident we're about to get some PI calls in our favor against ohio state this year
October 27th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
^^^all the evidence we need that drug abuse is bad and causes delusional thoughts.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:34 PM ^
Assuming OSU doesn't drop one before then, pretty sure the B1G league is better off with OSU winning remaining undefeated and going to the playoffs. So the incentive will be for OSU to get the calls.