OT - Tom Herman - no longer a hot commodity?

This. He is a cheerleader. I don't get the PJ Fleck hype.

Seems like Fleck will be a good grab if he gets to bring his whole staff with him as their combo of CEO/OC/DC seems to be working. If you're looking for a strictly X's and O's guys to head a turnaround, Fleck is probably going to fail hard, but if he's paired with some good coordinators he seems like he could be a good grab

Lee Miles is just that kind of coach, you know.

I don't know about that at all. Western Michigan football was waffling in mediocrity, and in a few years he's already got them as a top 20 team. 

You can't punish Fleck for being 6 years younger and having less experience. 

 

I continue to find it both sad and hilarious that everyone raves about Herman despite the fact he is still in his second year of head coaching - anywhere. He inherited a good situation at Houston and is getting effusive praise for using it in a mostly competent manner (despite getting blown out by a two loss team he mocked over the summer). If I were in the position to hire a new head coach at a prime school, I would prefer someone who has demonstrated success through at least a full recruiting cycle - ideally someone who has brought a team through a down cycle and back to prominence.

I was talking about 2011 and 2014. Herman has not shown more than Urban had by 2011 or Jim by 2014. But I guess your point is technically true.

First two years coaching period? or first two years of coaching at their current positions? Because I don't see how you can compare what OSU and Michigan have done in Meyer and Harbaugh's first two years to Herman's first two years. If first two years period, then thats also not fair. Bowling Green and San Diego were largely garbage before Meyer and Harbaugh made something out of those programs.

Which is why they weren't the hottest commodities on the coaching market when they got their second jobs. The comment was about the relative weakness of this year's market, where there are no more established guys than Herman.

That's not a very fair comparison given that Harbaugh was coaching Division II San Diego at his first job.

It's beside the point anyway.  Harbaugh and Meyer were not considered top-level coaching candidates right off the bat.  Herman is considered one now, despite only having coached 1.5 years.

There is only one job Harbaugh wanted all along.  He's wanted it since he was a 10 year-old sitting at Bo's desk with his feet up.  He was just waiting for David Brandon to GTFO.

Kelley gets one more year to impload at ND and then they try to hire Durkin.  Though, two years is a short time at Maryland.  Seems like 3 years is the minimum before coaches jump.

Those guys are jerkin 4 durkin

If Fleck returns a lot of good players he may want to stick around another year to pad his resume for a big job.   Could be career suicide to try to fix a team like Purdue.