OT: The Story of Scott Frost's love/hate relationship with Nebraska

Submitted by UMxWolverines on
Very interesting read. A lot of people don't know this, but Scott, from Nebraska, originally decided to leave the state and play for Bill Walsh at Stanford. When he transferred back he was not exactly met with open arms. Seems the Nebraska fanbase is not as pleasant as they're made out to be, of course there are jackasses in every fanbase including ours. It will be interesting to see if he takes the job or not. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/the-story-of-scott-frost-s-love-hate-relat…
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gbdub

October 30th, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^

I mean, "hire him because he played ball here and the fans love him" is still nepotism. I'm sure Mike's doing a fine job, but it's unlikely he's the objectively best RB coach out there. Not saying it would be a bad hire, just that it would be a hire we probably wouldn't make without his "kinship" as a fellow alum.

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mGrowOld

October 30th, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^

My reference was in regards to the person who would have to vacate the position for Hart to hold it.

Not sure why there's this collective angst about Hart around here.  Jay gets put into coaching gigs he has 0.0% experience in and the board goes out of its way to justify the selection.  Hart, on the other hand despite all he's done, needs more experience.  LOTS AND LOTS of more experience - preferrably at Alabama for a few years then with the Patriots before we could even consider him for the job in much of the board's eyes.

Why that is I have no idea.

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H8anythingState2

October 30th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

I hold the ARROGANCE CARD against him. The “Little Brother” comment was arrogant. And it has fueled MSU for many years. Still does.

There was no reason for a comment like that, that is not respecting your opponent. Also not becoming of a Michigan Man.

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1VaBlue1

October 30th, 2017 at 3:03 PM ^

Hating anything to do with State is kind of arrogant all by itself, too!  And it's certainly not becoming of a 'Michigan Man'.  I mean, MSU is one of the first vetrinarian schools that admitted women - do you hate that?  It's also the ag school that pioneered real grass growing inside buildings - do you hate that?  (There are certainly valid snark answers to those, but I couldn't think of anything else MSU has done that is notable...)

I don't care that he made that statement.  I thought it was funny as hell, actually!

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H8anythingState2

October 30th, 2017 at 5:34 PM ^

That was the problem. Now, not so much as they have dominated UM since.

H8anythingState stands for hating MSU, PSU and OSU. All with STATE in their name.

And just cause I hate them doesn’t mean I don’t believe in Karma. I do. And arrogance always comes back to haunt you.

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jmblue

October 30th, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^

Jay gets put into coaching gigs he has 0.0% experience in and the board goes out of its way to justify the selection. Hart, on the other hand despite all he's done, needs more experience.

While I have no objection to hiring Hart and moving Jay around, is there any particular reason to believe our RB coaching at the moment is inadequate? 

(We might note that Jay doesn't coach the position by himself; he has a former pro, Alfonso Smith, assisting him.)

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Mr Miggle

October 30th, 2017 at 7:23 PM ^

job with our TEs before that? Or with the special teams? 

I get being skeptical when he was hired. There was plenty of it expressed here, despite the comment above. But why would anyone want to push Jay out now? The he didn't play the position iargument s ridiculously weak.

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MGoHarbaugh77

October 30th, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^

I mean as far as hiring a replacement for Wheatley as RB coach went, I had actually really really wanted the guy Hart is replacing, Deland McCullough, he’s now been hired to be the RB coach out at USC. I too would love to see Mike Hart coaching at Michigan sometime soon. I hope it can happen!

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TrueBlue2003

October 30th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^

Fit matters when hiring anyone for any position.  Fit for both parties tends to lead to longer tenure, improved effort, things like that.

Even if Mike Hart isn't the best or most qualified now, there is no evidence he can't become the best, and who better to recruit to Michigan and represent the program, which is something that matters a great deal.  He could theoritically be better at recruiting as a Michigan coach than anywhere else since he can speak to his personal experiences.  A coach doesn't just operate independently of the program around him. There also has to be a fit to get maximum value (see also: Rich Rod).

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1VaBlue1

October 30th, 2017 at 3:08 PM ^

Each of those has been less of an issue as the season has progressed - along with the improvement of the OL.  He had no experience coaching TE's, either, yet his TE group's performed quite well - including the Mackey Award winner (best TE in all of college football).

I don't know if Jay is the most qualified, or the least qualified, or somewhere in the middle, as a RB coach.  But we have seen improvement in that group on par with the rest of the offense through the season.  Some people will just hate (don't know if that's you), other's will be just 'meh'.

Count me in the 'meh' group today...

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GeorgetownTom

October 30th, 2017 at 5:51 PM ^

While I do think it's questionable that Jay Harbaugh is on the staff in the first place, he seems to be getting results this year from the RBs. Higdon is dramatically improved, Isaac is improved. Evans has regressed but how much of that is due to Higdon and Isaac just being better and demanding more playing time? And as you mentioned, he did a good job with the TEs last year.

In short, Michigan may have some areas where it can improve its staff but RB coach isn't one of them.

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Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^

They'd still take him in a heartbeat as long as he can win. Winning cures all ails, solves a lot of problems, and gets everyone's heads turned the right way. And Nebraska is in dire, dire need of a winner after the disasters they've had at HC over the last 15 years. 

I remember a certain head coach once questioning Michigan's academic admission standards for it's athletes. I remember a certain former running back from Michigan saying he wished that certain head coach had never played at Michigan. I remember a lot of people on this blog saying at one time that this certain head coach was an asshole who threw his alma mater under the bus, and should never be afforded the opportunity to coach here. 

Lo and behold, here we are. My point is that if Scott Frost can win, any Nebraska fan who has a grudge towards him would be wise to swallow their pride, shut their mouth and do what they can to bring him to Lincoln. 

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superstringer

October 30th, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

UF is gonna throw a bank at him. He is 2 hrs south of Gainesville right now with a ranked and undefeated team that had a 2* QB blowing tires off of defenses. (Sounds like Urbs at Utah?) Frost wont take Nebraska over that.

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Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^

I still think Kelly is more of a West Coast guy and he'd rather go to a place like UCLA. He's very familiar with the Pac-12, undoubtedly still has a lot of strong relationships with CA high schools, and he'd be able to recruit those high schools much more easily from Los Angeles than he would from Gainesville. He'd definitely still recruit well in FL, but I don't think he'd do as well there as he would at UCLA. 

Of course, he may go to UF if the price is right and if the brass in Gainesville can guarantee him total, absolute control over the program. But I'd almost see him going to Nebraska before Florida. Nebraska is much closer to CA, and Nebraska pulls kids out of CA all the time. Nebraska can be a great program again if it just gets the right guy. 

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Mr Miggle

October 30th, 2017 at 2:33 PM ^

Their job is open now. Do you turn that down for a possible offer from UCLA? One that's probably for less money, with worse facilities and support.

Nebraska is closer to CA, but it can't possibly be easier to recruit there than at Florida. Kelly will hire assistants with strong recruiting ties in Florida if he goes there. In a way, it may be a perfect time with FSU struggling so badly. He could hit the ground running on the recruiting trail. UCLA is always going to be second to USC when it comes to recruiting.

 

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Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

Valid points. The only thing I know is that wherever Kelly goes, he can name his price.

Florida will be more than willing to put up with whatever seedy shit Kelly brings to Gainesville. But I still think a place like UCLA is in play for Kelly. USC is definitely showing cracks in the armor, and considering how Kelly laid waste to the Pac-12 for years with the talent he got at Oregon, and how he can get even better talent at UCLA, I don't think competing with USC will be much of an issue for him. Carroll ain't running the show there anymore. 

Still, UCLA may not want to take a risk on him, and he will not be able to bend the academic standards there like he was able to at Oregon. Thinking it over, Florida is the best bet since it's the job open right now and it has everything in place to win. UCLA is second if he wants to stay on the West Coast, and then Nebraska if they dump Riley now and pass on Frost. Chip Kelly at Nebraska would hands down make the Big Ten the deepest conference in the country. 

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