[OT] Schools—not restaurants or gyms—turned out to be [Israel's] worst mega-infectors [LOCKED]

Submitted by ca_prophet on July 13th, 2020 at 3:23 PM

https://www.haveeru.com.mv/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami/

The article is focusing a bit on Netanyahu's fall from grace but the money quote above is from Dr. Udi Kliner, the deputy health service leader.  Why the deputy?  Dr. Siegal Sadetzki resigned:

“I have occur to the conclusion that in the newly developed ailments less than which my specialist view is not accepted—I can no [longer] help to proficiently cope with the unfold of the virus.”

Leaving Israeil politics aside, and this is not a regional finding, it makes opening schools in the fall a perilous endeavor, along with all college sports.

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Broken Brilliance

July 13th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^

Guess it's time for the usual suspects on team apocalypse to flip flop on siding with the CDC yet again. This was posted an hour or so ago.

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Special Agent Utah

July 13th, 2020 at 3:54 PM ^

He’s saying that Trump and DeVos are pushing to reopen schools, and pressuring others in positions of authority to agree, because they could give a shit about children and teachers getting sick and/or infecting others, and they are doing strictly it to fulfill their own immoral ends.
 

Is that clear enough for you?

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TrueBlue2003

July 13th, 2020 at 7:50 PM ^

But it's far less than a season's worth of flu deaths amongst kids (also you're assuming a 100% infection rate which is impossible - and also I think you're assuming newborns go to school? I don't think there are 75mm k-12 aged children in the US).

If we're worried about the teachers, fine, I guess.

But it is undeniable that this is very, very minor for children. It is as negligible a health risk for them as common colds (which also do hospitalize and kill some children).

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July 13th, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^

Who's "we"? The majority of American's absolutely give a fuck when kids are shot at school.

The people who don't give a fuck about school shootings, are the same people that don't give a fuck if our kids contract COVID at school and pass it on to their families. Unfortunately for us, they're the very same people that are in a position to create policy to alleviate those problems, and have simply chosen not to in favor of other interests.

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Special Agent Utah

July 13th, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^

If you can’t trust a billionaire pyramid scheme heiress who hasn’t had a single day of formal medical or educational training in her life, with the safety of your children during a pandemic; who can you trust?

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Maceo24

July 13th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^

This is a reasonable stance.  My concern about that has a couple of bullet points.

1) The people in charge that are saying that schools "MUST" be open aren't talking about the safety measures that need to be in place.  If that is smaller class size or something else, so be it.  But they should be coming with potential solutions, not blanket statements that schools must be open.

2) That's even more funding that is missing.  There isn't enough money to buy the cleaning products needed to reopen, let alone doubling the teachers or changing instruction time to have smaller classes.

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Broken Brilliance

July 13th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^

I played golf with a friend of mine this morning who has four young kids in a local metro Detroit district. He's heard rumors that it might be two days in person, two days online with blocks of kids rotating in and out. Friday will be a teacher prep day. People who want to be fully online can opt in to that. No idea if it's true, but seems like a compromise between the two rabid factions in the u.s. right now.

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enlightenedbum

July 13th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^

It is physically impossible for us to have 100% attendance if we want to even pretend to care about limiting virus spread.  My average class size is 32-34, depending on the year.  My room is barely big enough for that many when I cram desks together so they're literally touching and aisles are the width of a regular person.  Which is insane and terrible for education in the best of times.

So there will be alternating sets of students coming in.

Which kind of fucks one of the big reasons for wanting in person schooling, which is that parents need child care so they can work and pay the bills.

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Alpaca

July 13th, 2020 at 4:28 PM ^

I understand this, but as doctors we joke about at work how future pulmonologist and other specialities are gonna be rich in next few decades because they got a huge spike in patient population who are gonna have chronic lung disease, heart failure, kidney disease and who knows what else. We don't know enough about this virus and the long-term effects. This future vaccine isn't going to stop this, that's the consensus we have amongst my colleagues. Its going to be like the flu but worse because you also get flu once flu season starts. When comparing into flu, I mean the mutations and seasonal. You can already see that within the country. The northern starts are going to start seeing a spike while the southern states come close to peak, hopefully start trending down just as the norther states hit the beginning of round 2.

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lilpenny1316

July 13th, 2020 at 5:12 PM ^

One formula they're considering in Detroit is not acceptable by POTUS and DeVos, which is to have some type of virtual/in-person hybrid model. That's the only way to effectively reduce class sizes in person, unless you're teaching kids in a park or converting the cafeteria into makeshift classrooms.

A solution in Detroit could have been to utilize some of the school buildings they shuttered, but there's not enough money to upgrade them in the time left in the summer. I think that's somewhat ironic, considering Quicken Loans is helping to buy laptops and Dan Gilbert knows a thing or two about acquiring and renovation dilapidated buildings in Detroit.

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M_Born M_Believer

July 13th, 2020 at 8:11 PM ^

My Metro Detroit school district has pretty much aligned with Witmer overall plan.  And yes, it's split classes. Two days in and two days on line.  Wednesday and Saturday are "deep cleaning" days.  There will also be laptops available for all the HS students.  Given the circumstances and the restraints with physical structure / staffing / cleaning expectations; this seems to be the most reasonable approach.

They are also opting to allow parents to keep their kids at home and do on line learning 100% of the time....

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Cali Wolverine

July 13th, 2020 at 6:56 PM ^

She is a complete moron.  I watched an interview where the reporter asked at least two dozen times specifically what her plan is...and she couldn’t answer the question.   She kept trying to punt to the states and local authorities (who are looking for guidance) and kept repeating “it is better for kids to be in school”...the reporter said agreed, and kept asking so what is your plan As Secretary of Education to reopen? Crickets. I honestly can’t believe this woman is the Secretary of Education.  Embarrassing.

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Teeba

July 13th, 2020 at 3:36 PM ^

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decision. I'm merely pointing out that it has been made (about 2 hours ago.)

I have noticed that my son's summer school class has been more rigorous than the last two months of the spring semester. Another parent made the same observation to me. In the spring, this might have been seen as a temporary situation, causing some to treat at-home learning as an early summer vacation. Now that we know this isn't going away anytime soon, I would hope that everyone takes at-home learning more seriously. I will admit there are still many problems with at-home learning.

Regarding attendance, my son's school district (neighbors LAUSD,) decided they wouldn't let students' grades drop below where they were when the schools closed. It sounds like LAUSD wasn't even taking attendance. They didn't want to punish kids as a result of this crisis. However, that can't continue. Quoting from the story I linked:

By the start of school, L.A. Unified will have had about five months to improve what it can accomplish online: Students have computers and much-improved internet access and tech support. Teachers have received training for online education. And certain familiar rituals will be restored: Teachers will take attendance and are expected to track student learning every school day; students will receive grades.

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Special Agent Utah

July 13th, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^

“No shit”

- Any adult who has been in your average public school classroom for more than 10 minutes. 

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July 13th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^

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