I was just on ESPN and saw and read this article. Wow. I was hoping that there were not any Tigers mentioned in the report, but supposedly Jhonny Peralta is on the list, as well as Ryan Braun and A-Rod. I am interested to see if anything will come from this.
OT: MLB potentially dropping Banhammer on PED users conected with Tony Bosch
Braun is a liar. Hope he's fried.
Why single just one guy (Braun) out when there is a pile of players involved here?
Probably because Braun has already been accused of PED use, and basically said something must have been wrong with the testing, because he is Mother Theresa.
IIRC, he failed a test but said test was thrown out because the person responsible for the sample had stored it in his personal fridge overnight. So, he's been more than accused.
I would cast him as Dobby from the :43 - :48 mark. Do 'roids make your eyes get bigger?
What exactly would you expect him to say? "I did PED's, please suspend me for 50 games"?
How about the truth?
Nobody forced him to have an organized press conference. Are you drunk?
A big fan of dishonesty, are ya David?
He is an Ohio State fan.
I think I get what you were saying in the first post, but this one makes me think I misunderstood you. I can understand someone asking "why would you single him out when there are dozens more". I could even understand if you continued the debate after the poster above said "because he lied" because we all know everyone of them have lied about it.
What I can't understand is this post asking what normal people would expect out of athletes that get 100% of their payment off the fans backs. As fans we want the truth. I don't think that is too much to ask, but I do think it is unrealistic to expect, unfortunately.
From the time I was a kid I learned that lying was wrong. As a kid I sometimes found myself telling lies if I thought I would get in trouble if the truth came out. There comes a time though (for most people at least) that you understand that you have to tell the truth regardless whether you are going to get in trouble or not.
Throw on top of that that Braun went out and organized a press conference to proclaim his innocence and it really infuriates. It's one thing to try to hide it and only answer questions when they are directed at you, but this guy openly went out and tried to deceive people. He's a dirt bag.
Dude is a liar. That conference sounds like a joke
It's the same reason why we cared so much about Barry Bonds, A-Rod, etc. These guys are singled out because they aren't just breaking the rules, they're breaking the rules and winning awards such as MVPs and World Series Rings. Braun was the 2011 NL MVP, a 5 time All-Star and Silver Slugger, and the ROY of 2007. There were plenty of guys on lists like this and the Mitchell Report that you do not hear about, and that is because they do not have the accolades that guys like Braun have.
Good thing A-Rod is clean...
even I know A-Rod sucks... I am ashamed he ever wore, and unfortunately still wears, a Yankee jersey.
I just hope this information once and for all outs him as a serial user (not that BS excuse he fabricated for using only briefly as a Texas Ranger), and the Yankees can rid themselves of his ridiculous, bloated contract and toxic presence on the roster.
get rid of A-rod's contract the entire baseball world (not wearing pin-stripes) will explode in violent rage. The Yankees would be able to lure arguably the best player in baseball, at the time, with one of the most rediculous contracts in baseball. The one sollace for MLB fans was the fact that the Yanks would be stuck paying out an obscene amount of money to A-rod in his twighlight years.
A-rod is an injury ridden, poor preforming, toxic nightmare--but flashing monumental cash in his face is how the Yankees got him. This is what NY paid for and to somehow get out of the deal when it is finally slanted against them would be totally unjust.
I am a Yankee fan and have never liked A-Rod or his crappy, bloated contract. I was glad when we signed him just because it kept him away from the Red Sox. He has done nothing since joining the Yankees. Even his MVP years were debatable at best. If he has been on PEDs while with the Yankees and they can show it led to his injuries, I don't see why they couldn't get out of the remainder of his contract and even recoup some of his past salary. We could really use the cash to sign some new 40 year old washed up dudes this off season!
You are logically correct but you aren't thinking like a fan. If he went to Boston, he would have won 5 World Series rings and been MVP every year. This is the only way I can tolerate the catastrophe that was his signing. Actually, A-Rod's fragile psyche may have done much better in the laid back Red Sox clubhouse than with the all business Yankees. I'm just glad my team has money to burn. Thank you YES network.
They wont void the contract because of the MLBPA fallout and the agent fall out. That union has more power than it deserves, and they'll flex it if it looks like a team is about to do something like voiding a contract, even if it is A-Rod, whom everybody hates.
I agree, they should be able to, and shouldn't have to worry about any consequences, but they'll be hard pressed to land another big free agent if they show that they're willing to actually void contracts. Agents will steer clear of them.
It's funny when you look at the list. It's all latin players and...Ryan Braun.
Braun did play baseball at the U so that explains the Miami/Latin connection
The Tigers would be in a pretty awful situation if Jhonny was suspended for any length of time. Seeing Ramon Santiago everyday might make for adventurous times over the summer.
Yeah - if you base it on this season, Perslta is the best player on that list. Would be a big loss for us. Maybe we need to deal one of our many OFs for a middle infielder soon. At least once AJax comes back.
I'm sure there are options out there via a trade but I can't think of many teams dealing an average SS without asking for the world from the Tigers.
I will give you Starlin Castro, just give me Porcello and Smiley. ~ Jed Hoyer
Not too many good SS available right now. My guess is they move Infante over to SS and bring Danny Worth or someone like that up.
take another look at his numbers mr henning
don't just base it on 50+ games this year. cabrera, fielder, jackson and hunter are clearly better offensively. Vmart is vastly better historically and will likely do better going forward. i would even consider dirks better offensively. peralta and infante would be a near push.
He only had a handful of homers and around 30 RBIs...
OOOO whooops! Forgot about the batting average above .330. Kinda important lol
What? He's having a helluva season thus far. Who are the 5 better performers in the lineup?
Isn't a position player anymore. And i'd be hard pressed to believe even with a superb next 100 games that his #s would overtake Jhonnys.
at least, Santiago is a good defender and has been throughout his career. The dropoff in offense would be a major hit though.
think it would derail the Tigers season or anything considering the other guys they have, since Peralta would be back after 50 games. Stll though for those 50 games, the offensive dropoff (assuming Peralta continues to have a good season) would be substantial.
Jackson will obviously add more depth to the lineup when he get's back if they lose Peralta, and V-Mart hopefully getting on track at some point would also help as well.
Enter the blockbuster Giancarlo Stanton deal!!
I wonder what they threatened Bosch with to get him to start talking? This guy was denying everything, now he's singing like a bird.
See: Shaprio. Nevin.
This would be horrible for me because both Braun and Peralta are on my fantasy team. I would not be happy at all.
I would imagine the the Players Union lawyers might have something to say about suspending people without positive tests. I doubt there is anything in the CBA about suspending people because somebody said he sold players PEDs
If im not mistaken, There is something that allows them to do that. I think Manny Ramirez was suspended when they found a prescription for some prohibited female hormone.
No, they had a positive test.
Seems a bit out of bounds to be suspending players without positive tests AND without a conviction/legal proceeding that proved without a shadow of a doubt someone was guilty. Innocent until proven guilty....unless you're part of professional sports! We'll punish you arbitrarily!
I think there is some sort of clause in the CBA which allows for punishment if there is proof that a player obtained/posessed a banned substance. That being said I don't know what actually counts as proof. A list of names is something which is easily falsified and on its own doesn't prove possession of PEDs ever actually happened.
power to suspend these guys based on the agreement. Obviously, positive tests and criminal convictions for steroids are violations, but I am not sure what the rest of the agreement says when it comes to whether the word and records of a suppliers are considered to be enough evidence for a suspension.
As a huge brewers fan, this sucks. This season couldn't be going any worse.
I got a text from ESPN saying around 30 players where going to be suspended
Said to meet him at the bar tomorrow night at 10pm for drinks. Thought I'd share.
My wife just texted me saying "stop talking to your loser internet friends and fold the goddamn fitted sheet!"
Like I have any idea how to do that anyway.
I am no longer asked to fold fitted sheets. All I had to do was let my wife watch me attempt to fold one once. I recommend that course of action.
Or you could try my actual method, which is:
1. Try to do that thing above.
3. Wad the sheet up in a ball and stuff it in the closet.
My wife just laughed and over time it's become a highlight of laundry day:
1) Fold once lengthwise (so that it most resembles Charlie Weis'' shorts).Grab one short end with arms crossed like you're about to call illegal procedure.
2) Clear children and pets from the work area.
3) Call 'Illegal Procedure', vigorously.
5) Profit, because making the wife laugh is always a bonus. Bury the mess way down in the pile.
I really hope this is the end of a-rod. Hope he just retires and fades away.
See I'm the exact opposite, I want to see the Yankees suffer with arguably the worst contract in MLB history. So if indeed A-Rod is suspended the Yanks might be able to get out from under that contract through some loopholes, thus freeing up $ for them to make a run at Miguel after 2015.
Well considering the Yankees want to get under $189 million luxury tax, yes i'd think they'd like to "free up some money."
Of course there is no salary cap, but you still have to PAY the salaries you have on your roster. I'm pretty sure that is what he's getting at. They have (or had, not sure about this year) the highest payroll in the league and even they don't have an infinite amount of money.
Edit: this was a reply to the guy above you. I don't know how it ended up as a reply to you.
list had 2 Cabreras listed and my immediate thought was that one of them was Miguel... Thank the Lord it isn't him.
a radio this morning, (in G.R., I didn't recognize what station it was) and they were saying Miguel Cabrera was one of the names, then I got to my radio and turned on espn and all I heard was Melky. Damned alarmist shock jocks. Got me all worked up...
At this point, I'd rather see Dombrowski pick up a middle reliever or closer... I would much rather have a weaker bat in the lineup in Santiago than have a vacancy in closer position going into the postseason... Plus Jackson will be healthy soon returning a key bat and key speed to the lineup.
can't say I'm surprised though- especially A Rod
Personally, I was stunned. Who are else you gonna tell me used, Eric Gagne?
Wasn't the same source that broke the Melky Cabrera story last year before it went public also said before this season that Braun and A-Rod would be linked once again to Roids?
What's astonishing is that MLB considers this a severe punishment for a violation that they don't try very hard to discover in the first place. By way of context, first time doping bans in WADA sanctioned sports are two years. Baseball? Less than a third of a season.
They could really put a stranglehold on this problem with serious punishments. Hell, make 100 the number for first offenders and go up drastically from there. Probably not possible (even though it sort of happens already) but putting a confirmed-roid user ban on the HoF sure would go a long way too...
The North American sports leagues are pitiful in this regard. The NFL gives out what, a four-game suspension? And the NBA doesn't even test for steroids. Somehow I'm a bit skeptical about LeBron achieving that freakish physique through purely clean methods.
If you think Lebron has a freakish physique, you haven't been around the gym much. I know a number of clean guys who look more "freakish" than him. It's amazing how people assume things about which they (appear) to have limited knowledge.
We completely agree with you. The fact that anyone would question Lebron or any other NBA star who may appear slightly shall we say "overdeveloped" as being anything other than the result of hard work and good, healthy diet is EXTREMELY offensive and insulting.
Major League Baseball circa 1996-2007
People now just assume that because he's better, he's on. So, by that logic, MJ must have been ON too.
I understand what you're saying, but can you blame anyone for having the thought? Based on how tainted baseball is/continues to be and how often those stupid 4 game bans are given out in the NFL not to mention all the Olympic stuff...can you blame someone for assume the NBA is perfectly clean? Unfortunately its safer to assume its just as bad
I'm not saying the NBA is clean. In fact, I'm sure it's not! But you walk a fine line just accusing dudes of using. Lebron has been a freak since high school, so was he using then too?
How's everyone's day going?
Actually, I go to a gym regularly and yes, I see other guys there who are insanely chiseled. Many of them also have receding hairlines and weird jawlines. I wouldn't doubt that they use roids as well - I'm certainly not saying it's just professional athletes.
In LeBron's case, it's not just that he's built like Karl Malone, but that he combines that with Jordan-like athleticism. That's not normal. I've come to the realization that when one guy is freakishly different than everyone else, there's probably a (dirty) reason for it.
I have a receeding hairline and I go to the gym. I also have been at it for 7+ years (competitive powerlifting) and have been asked on multiple occasions if I'm on sauce. My point is that people who have never walked the walk, so to speak, just assume that a "jacked" physique is unattainable without roids. Point being, it's just ignorance and in some instances, complete laziness, to assume guys are using PEDs.
Given that LeBron's head and jawline have changed shape since the start of his career, Barry Bonds-style, I don't have a hard time believing he's using HGH or similar.
I am as skeptical as anyone about this kind of stuff, but don't forget that he was like 19 his rookie year. Certainly some of the change is just physical maturation.
working out everyday for a couple hours with professional trainers and probably a whole staff of people dedicated to getting him in shape is probably more the cause then roids
So why aren't there more 270-pound guys (he's listed at 250, but this is widely believed to be false) that can jump out of a gym and have the quickness of a guard? It's not just that he's big; it's that he's both big and as quick as a guy 50 pounds lighter. That doesn't pass the smell test.
It's not just me who suspects him of this. There are rumors out there about his agent acquiring PEDs. Unless his agent's a bodybuilder, I think we could put two and two together there. It's just rumor at the moment, but there is circumstantial evidence.
Having said that, the NBA is probably full of roid users (ask Derrick Rose). It's probably like cycling in the Armstrong years.
Baseball and Tony Bosch have violated the HIPAA rights of all players involved here. I can't imagine this working out if the players sue. Then again, sports and the media have managed to five PED's a much longer shelf life as a "hot button" issue than I would have thought possible.
And the players may waive their HIPPA rights in their contracts or CBA when it comes to PEDs.
Baseball will always have a credibility problem with regard to PEDs as long as Bud Selig still has his job.
If baseball has suspect credibility, what is your opinion on the Olympics?
If you're the Brewers...you have to sit Braun immediately, right? It sounds like these suspensions won't come down for another week or two at least. Having him around will be the distraction of all distractions.
You can't, no team can react really. Until real stuff comes out, none of these guys are going to say anything other than "no comment" (or possibly a claim of innocence). Especially Braun, who didn't exactly go quietly last time. Sitting him puts out the message that he did something wrong, which he (and everyone else I assume) isn't ready to concede yet
This is true, but I assume the spin would be "we both agree that sitting out at this time will aid our team in focusing on winning baseball games" etc. I could see how it could be taken as an admission of guilt.
But the next few weeks will be a) uncomfortable for Braun, especially in road ballparks, b) annoying for the rest of the team, who will have to deal with constant questioning, and c) irrelevant because the Brewers are not very good anyways.
You're right. Plus, I don't think any of these teams want to deal with the player's union until it's absolutely necessary. This will be a legal mess for a loooong time.
Get rid of a couple teams while they are at it.
They expanded 2 too many times. Which still beats hockey by 1 time.