OT as it gets: UFO hearings
Between Barbieheimer and Hamburgergate the fact that intelligence officials testified under oath yesterday that the government has “non human” biological remains and craft materials seems to have gone unnoticed. Anyone watch? I didn’t catch it but reading up on what was testified, it seems quite extraordinary. Take me to your leader. (And yes I’m sure the aliens can play DT).
Show me the craft. Show me the aliens. Otherwise it’s all smoke and no fire
Agreed. I think that the subject matter is certainly interesting, but "I know a guy who knows a guy who saw spacemen" and a video that looks suspiciously like an out of focus dead bug on the lens don't quite break through my barrier for skepticism.
Many, many years ago I read a Science Fiction short story where it was determined that Viruses are not native to earth but probably got here on a a meteor strike. I thought that was an interesting idea.
This says more about how laughably pointless Congressional testimony is than anything else.
Come on guys... EVERY even moderately complex ancient structure is direct evidence of our Alien overlords existence!
Lol, at least the vaccine debates have data (albeit horrible data on any side). UFO's have no tangible hard evidence anywhere.
The UFO's always peaks most whenever the country is at War, Economically Collapsing, and/or the Public Sentiment trust/supsicion of the Government is particularly terrible (thus conspiratorial accusations begin--which, to be fair, all governments of course do, it's more a matter of, "to what end", and, "conspiring" is technically just having a closed meeting to plan something).
And yes, if they can get you pay attention to the spectacle, then it has fully accomplished it's job as a complete distraction. Just like how "racism" "white privilege" and all sorts of other buzzwords entered newsmedia's vocabulary right around the time of this thing called Occupy Wall Street which wanted to tax the wealthy/corporations, and took the country by storm (Gore Vidal: "The 'A' in 'USA' stands for "Amnesia").
When governments are captured by corporations, the citizens will respond with all sorts of distrust, suspicion, and civil unrest (sound familiar?), and will come up with all sorts of accusations/beliefs, some of which are spot-on (economy, housing, jobs), some of which are pretty wild and outrageous (UFO's, Russians, Chinese, etc.). Their emotions are definitely justified--something is wrong--but their rationalizations as to what exactly, however, are not necessarily accurate.
Jesus Christ I had no idea how many U of M grads work for the US intelligence apparatus. The disinformation and baseless group think being exhibited in my brief perusal of these comments is Stasi level.
I'm not going to provide the dozens and dozens of evidentiary links that would help disprove this childish Baby Boomer era nonsense that you all keep pushing for some inexplicable reason. By now, if you want to be in the dark its because youre willfilly keeping you're head in the sand. As Dr Gary Nolan has stated it's an intelligence test at this point. You would have already failed. When/if you obtain SCIF access you'll be able to see everything you need to finally STFU, but you are not seeing what is being shown in a classified setting. Robertson Panel. The FBI implanting undercover agents in UFO groups as far back as the 1950s like they were the Black Panther party. Totally normal behavior by our government. There is a literal collection of notes from physicist Eric Davis that has been read into the Congressional record where the director of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff acknowledges the existence of hidden SAP-based crash retrieval programs in the early 2000s. The Wilson Davis Memo- public record. Eric Davis by the way (1) refuses to publically refute the contents of said memo to this day and (2) continues to be allowed to work on top secret US based technology programs by our government despite that fact. Why would that be allowed to continue in light of the foegoing?
We are not remotely on their level. It is a fact that UAP technology is classified at the level of WMDs- because both the power sources and actual technology are not merely game changing, they are potentially world-ending. Bill and Danny Dipshit down the street are not going to be granted public access to this stuff. Nor should they be. Sorry guys if you're actually that stupid. If Costa Rica reverse engineers this tech first, they become the worlds hyperpower overnight. As stated yesterday there is likely a combination of holographic theory and interdimensional physics at play which these comments make abundantly clear we are not intellecually capable of even conceiving of at this point let alone grasping and harnessing. The inane supposition that because our erector set brains are not capable of perceiving (likely) AI-based technology that is potentially millions of years more advanced than ours and may not even be existing in the same dimensional space as us makes me honestly wonder where some of you in fact got your degrees. They can move between dimensions but should be completely powerless against Polaroid cameras, apparently. Nah, they wouldn't have an app for that...
It is what it is. They're here, it's clear, get used to it.
Good news I guess is if they wanted us dead it would have been done by now. The bad news is sometimes it takes a second for you to break up with a shitty girlfriend. This may just be a stay of execution.
Humans have sent a wide variety of animals to space. As far as I know, all of them died/are dead. Taken in the most pedantic way, non-human remains could be completely different than you'd like it to be.
Good point. I always figured cats were not of this world.
They can be mercurial and we all know men are from Mars and women are from Venus. I think you may have a point.
Oh sure, give me the one with all the monsters.
-Homer Simpson
Cats do not abide by the laws of nature
I had the same thoughts. They’re not human but could they be a chimp or dog?
I am with Elon Musk on this. Aliens fly thousands of light years and have the technology to do so. And they all seem to crash when they get here.
To play along here: who’s to say they aren’t crashing elsewhere? Also, Just because there is a technology to get here doesn’t mean they can stay here safely.
Why are they necessarily smart? Maybe they’ve been around millions of years longer and are able to just do this, but they don’t have the thought process to think about what happens once they get here? Or maybe they do and they’ve just failed a few times.
im not saying there’s alien spacecraft, but I don’t think saying that they have the technology to get here and just crash is a reason to discount that as a possibility. Possession of technology does not necessarily coincide with possession of the cognitive function of forethought and planning. Maybe they’re dumb as rocks.
Bottom line is almost no one really knows and the few who might aren't talking much.
I keep hoping AI or some other science figures out how to make a real holodeck and reverse aging. I'd like to redo some of the time I spent with my 18 year old GF when I was 19 and we were both at school.
"I'd like to redo some of the time I spent with my 18 year old GF when I was 19 and we were both at school."
It says something about life that what you want is to go back and be 19. And have great sex with an 18 year old. We spend our entire childhood wanting to be an adult. And we spend our entire adulthood wanting to be a child again.
This one movie I saw they came from light years away only to be stopped by wooden doors and the thing that covers 70% of the planet.
That's what I find interesting in people's reactions. Everyone hears "non-human" and assumes that means alien. It could be robot, animal...there are many things that are non-human.
My guess is there are legitimate UAP objects that pilots are seeing; I believe the testimony of the pilots who are observing strange things up in the sky. But I think those objects are likely either top-top secret US vehicles (which, due to compartmentalization, pilots and other military personnel are not privileged enough to know about), or they are top-top secret vehicles from foreign governments.
"Non-human origin". So unless a dog or monkey created a craft and crashed it on their own . . .
RGard arrived the same way, only difference is that he had a soft landing in a banana grove
Could be more X-Files misdirection!!!!
My understanding is that it was one guy, David Grusch, not multiple "officials" or was there something more?
I can't speak to his claim (obviously), but given the distances between star systems and the amount of time required to travel between them, I lean pretty heavily towards the idea that the odds of biological-based species visiting our planet from elsewhere in the galaxy is incalculably tiny. And if some species did exist with technology to easily travel those distances they would have colonized our planet long before we crawled down out of the trees.
Apparently there was an Air Force pilot that testified about his encounter with 5 other pilots that was also picked up on multiple sensors (and video) and another guy that is some government type that catalogs all encounters.
The video quality the public sees are a lot less than what is actually being displayed.
You're probably referring to David Fravor, the retired commanding officer of an F-18 squadron. Here's his short testimony:
There are those that are now questioning the veracity of people like Elizondo, and the TTSA thing has apparently bitten the dust. I always thought the TTSA sounded a bit dumb, and I think those who got involved with it weren't being smart.
However, Fravor's own account of what he observed has not wavered, and the suggestions by some debunkers that what he and other pilots observed can be explained away as balloons or birds or windblown trash or reflections on the inside of their canopies are ludicrous.
The suggestion that a pilot as experienced as Fravor was unable to discern the visual difference between an internal glass reflection and an object flying under its own propulsion in the air outside his F-18 would logically indicate serious deficiencies in the capabilities of the pilots in our military, as well as in the technical systems they use to identify potential adversaries in the skies they fly in.
It would make more sense to simply assert that Fravor made the whole story up, and then recruited other pilots to join in the scam.
Fravor gave a much longer statement about his own military background and of the incidents he witnessed on this podcast:
Lex Fridman is kind of goofy, and I don't think he's a good interviewer, but the relevant thing to me is what Fravor says, not what Fridman tries to say.
You have not been doing your homework.
In an age where almost everyone has a high-definition camera on them at all times and a young adult releases highly confidential information to his gamer friends. Do you mean to tell me that the Men in Black are so damn good at their jobs that there are no photos?
I agree. It also seems odd that a being advanced enough to fly through the cosmos would somehow crash when they arrived here.
1. I believe that advanced alien civilizations exist and that they may even be visiting us.
2. The aliens I believe in don't crash and certainly don't get "shot down."
3. My aliens aren't incompetent.
This guy Fermi Paradox’s
Their UFOs are made by Ford.
Not to change the subject, but I had the same query about the Titanic Submersible. In this social media age, there is not one picture of the people entering the submersible nor of the submersible being lowered into the water.
Will Smith slapped the aliens, and then they fled.
To be fair- they couldn't open doors^. So that could explain the crashing.
I don't have confidence that the government could pull off any wide ranging conspiracy. You're telling me they have alien remains and not one person posted it to social media for clout? Also say what you want about Kevin McCarthy but this was a pretty good line:
“I will continue to see but I think if we had found a UFO, I think the Department of Defense would tell us because they probably want to request more money.”
I will say what I want about that boot-licking, fascist-enabling, POS McCarthy. But regardless of my personal opinions of someone who is actively working to subvert our democracy, the Pentagon's black budget (a classified, blank check for $50 billion a year) would handle any expenditures related to finding an alien craft.
As a person who makes a living off the 'Pentagon' black budget (and has for ~30 years), I can personally state that you are wrong. Not about Kevin McCarthy, but about the budget's ability to handle unplanned expenditures. Every bit of that budget is accounted for within a program budget that has to be accounted for. There's no difference in the accounting methods, or the accountability, except that you don't get to see what its being used for.
In this particular case, I will have to admit that McCarthy is correct - the Pentagon would ask for more money. It may be, however, that this money is already budgeted under a cover program that nobody in Congress knows about. But that would be excessively illegal, and I have no doubts that such a thing does not exist in a vacuum.
I also don't believe that such a conspiracy exists. Especially on the word of one man who no longer works for the gov't.
I think you just hear certain words that get you mad put them into a sentence and sit back and bask in your glory. Your echo chamber is getting too loud for you I think.
This is what conspiracy loons have been claiming for decades though. And, this is, to the best of my knowledge, the first it has been said by a government official in a congressional hearing. This adds some legitimacy to this claim, as far out as it may seem. [Also, it's likely the government has been covering up it's knowledge of UFOs for years at the very least for national security reasons so they didn't have to face the American people and say 'yeah there's shit flying around in our airspace and we have no idea what it is.']
But also let's not act like K McCarthy and the Republicans don't already give the Pentagon everything it wants with no questions asked.
I mean, the sheer amount of classified documents and heavily redacted unclassified documents should give any of us at least, a small cause, to become a minor conspiracy theorist, or at minimum someone who holds some thoughtful caution towards the intelligence agencies and the many factions military industrial complex.
Seems foolish of someone to be totally trusting of the Pentagon and all these different government agencies. Also trusting that everything they cover up is only for our security and safety, and as if everyone working in these departments are actually working in one accord with another….but that’s just crazy old me
But skepticism about the functioning of the government does not justify "therefore aliens." There's no reason to trade in one sort of gullibility for another.
The claim is that if an entity can understand the technology, there is a chance that it will lead to weapon development and asymmetrical warfare. If Russia is able to make weapons we can't conceive of by understanding any technology before us, we lose any armed confrontation. That's why DoD or whoever have tried to keep it completely secret. Who knows if it's true, but the logic makes some sense to me.
Intelligence officials can be as delusional as anybody else. Grusch presumably believes what he's saying; that doesn't make it actually true.
I think people like Avi Loeb are more interesting. I strongly suspect that Loeb is a crank, but at least he appears to be actually looking for evidence.
(Loeb thought 'Oumuamua was some kind of alien craft (and has a book on it, which I have not read), and he's currently looking for a meteor in the ocean that he claims is also related to aliens. 'Oumuamua at least appears to have actually come from outside the solar system, even if it was just a rock.)
It seems Grusch could be in very big trouble if not true, no?
Not really. Very, very few people have suffered any real consequence of lying under oath to Congress.
Seems like Rafael Palmeiro got about the worst consequence.
Potentially, but he's not going to get prosecuted unless he reveals classified information.
He's also not the first ex-military guy to go off about UFOs.
Does he say the meteor in the ocean is related to aliens? Or just that it came from outside the solar system?
One issue with his theory on that I've seen pointed out is that without knowing the specs of the sensors that measured the object's velocity, you can't know the uncertainty of the measurement. The government will not release the uncertainty of the sensors for good reason. So they take the sensor data as 100% accurate. Typical error bars are enough to move the object from "outside the solar system" to more typical.
I didn't go into the weeds on the meteor--I just found about it this morning trying to google Loeb and 'Oumuamua.
I have to say it doesn't look promising, but there's still an outside chance something interesting comes out of it (although even if so it's unlikely to involve aliens).