OT: GoT S05 E06 "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"
Ughhhhhh.....
That sucked. The episode was pretty great, up until the end.
And I don't know if I mean "That ending sucked as storytelling/execution/etc" or "that was great storytelling I'm so pissed at the bad guy."
I think this is the first time I've actually been frustrated/angry with the unending "bad stuff" happening.
EDIT/UPDATE:
Letting it digest and moving on, I really liked the rest of the episode. The Arya scenes were great - I'm excited to see her become someone else.
Loved the Tyrion/Jorah scenes. A classic "talk my way out of death" moment for Tyrion. It's been a while since he's had one of those. What was his reference to his errhhmm... size? "Don't be so sure?" Pretty funny.
Sand Snakes v. Bronn and Jaime! Fun, but oh man, Bronn got nicked by that blade, and we know what Oberyn was famous for...
Yay the Queen of Thornes is back! Boo, Cersei wins this round. This plotline looks to be following the books, so no further comment on it from me.
Can't wait til Stannis burns Ramsey at the stake.
Was a good episode besides the end. Finally some insight into Arya and the House Of Black & White. Jaime & Bronn vs the Sandsnakes was cool. Awesome dialouge between Tyrion and Jorah. So many negitive nancies.
but I'm not so sure that Stannis will be able to take Winterfell. Roose is a weasel but he is also a skilled man of war. If nothing else Ramzy is bloodthirsty berserker who wants to prove he is a proper heir. It's gonna be interesting.
Sure, it's sickening. But then much of GoT is sickening. . Watching a man's head get crushed was pretty damn disgusting.
It's par for the course for GoT. It's an extremely violent show and always has been. Becoming outraged now seems a bit odd to me.
There's no way you can make rape any less disgusting. Ramsey is a psychopath. People should have suspected something like this was coming.
All I know is that he is going to die a very painful death.
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"Read this scene in the book and it doesn't make you squirm much."
Wait, what? This scene in the books, with Jeyne Poole not Sansa, is reguarded as one of the most disturbing of all five novels.
exactly. It reminds me of when I started reading Heinlein. My brother said 'Yeah, they start out great, but as time goes on you get the idea he's kind of compensating with all the wierd sex in the books...'
You get the idea that GRRM or the TV writers are working out some wierd arsed shit.
Pssst...Sansa is a fictional character. The actress who plays her didn't actually get raped.
raped his mother. Ramsey is the product of a rape. Ramsey is a psychopath which should have been obvious from how he has treated Theon. It should surprise no one that he would rape Sansa. She was doomed the moment Baelish left her there.
The goodish news is it looks like Sansa and Theon will get to some plotting.
When they keep having characters who weren't raped in the text be raped, it raises questions. Threatening or carrying out rape on female to develop either them, or worse, male characters (Theon here and Jaime previously) that's worse. Now Theon gets to save her from Ramsay. Disempowering a woman to empower a man.
And considering if there is any running theme in ASOIAF besides a general meditation on power it's "How do you acquire and exercise power in a system that insists on denying it to you" (it's the one thing uniting almost every POV character in the first thee books, except Eddard) that's even worse.
Brienne's kiling of the Mountain is a shining example of this.
The harsh truth is that women are not as physically strong or violent as men. As a result tyhat places them at a disadvantage in a situation where there is a conflict. The show is based on violence. It's about the struggle for power.Sansa is right in the middle of it as a potential heir to the throne. Historically-speaking, that means a lot of violence. Killing, raping, beatings...this is happened and still does in certain parts of the world.
The issue here is that many people are too accustomed to the comfortably legalistic environment of the US. Americans largely do not know what it is to live in a land where legality is either crude or nonexistant. Americans are even less unaware of the exceedingly brutal and masculine/misogynistic culture of the times GoT is inspired by.
What happened to Sansa and other women was all too common then. Women were little more than commodities or play things. That's what they were.To understand GoT you have to understand the history it's pulled from.
A few women fought against that tide.In English history there are several examples. Queen Isabella(mother of Edward III), Margaret of Anjou(Henry VI wife and chief driver of the Lancastrian cause during the Wars of the Roses), and Matilda(grandfaughter of William the Conqueror).
What women who flourished in the 15th and 16 centuries used schemes and other oblique tactics to gain power.In other words, they were Cersei. They had to use their intellect because they had no hope of fighting for power like men do.
We live in an age where women have equal status as men. That's a great thing. But that wasn't always the case and GoT reflects that reality. Depicting every woman in GoT as Brienne would seriously undermine the crediblity of a book/show that openly borrows from history.
Small tidbit: Brienne doesn't kill the Mountain, she maybe kills the Hound.
^^^^^^^^This x 1000^^^^^^^^
Right b/c there aren't powerful women in this show....
B/c SJWs don't think. They just hop on a bandwagon and accelerate.
/s (kinda..)
Still got 4 episodes. Anything can happen, but this is by far the weakest season atm imo. They should have just left Dorne out like initially intended if they're gonna half ass it the way they are atm.
What? The writers have no obligation to empower anyone. It's a fictional show about a brutally violent world. Killing and raping happen both in real world and the fantasy. "Disempowering a woman to empower a man" yep I'm sure that was the explicit intent. The writers are clearly part of the patriarchy. . The fact is GOT has some of the strongest female characters on TV and lots of them.
or just disaster burn out. To be honest, its getting to be horribly predictable. 'Oh, Martin did something wretched to a beloved character'. Its like the opposite of Curious George. There, no matter what George does, it works out for the best in the end for everyone. Here, no matter what the main characters do, we delve deeper into suckville.
Yea, because that's what has driven people to the show in the first place...the discretion shown by the writers when handling these delicate situations.
There isn't really any deviation from the books in the treatment of Ramsey's "Stark" wife - just that Sansa has been substituted to reduce the number of characters - still wonder how/if they will get back close to the actual book storylines in this area. Whether they had to portray it this starkly (pun intended) is debatable but this is the same series who gave us the gore of the red wedding and the mountain's skull squashing.
With Jaime and the Sand snakes and with the slavers and Tyrion I can at least now see how they are going to try to keep the stories in paralel with the books while saving on new characters. The dialogs between Tyrion and Jorah seem to serve to fill in some of the details and background that are laid out over dozens of chapters in the books.
Again Spoiler potential ----- I am curious how they are going to makeup for the missing Stoneheart and red-priest magics plots...as I strongly suspect they are going to be needed for a certain character who's fate seemed certain near the end of book 5........
My friend has read the books and mentioned Lady Stoneheart. I would love to see her on the show. I know she would be cold-blooded and might get some family vengeance.
Chekhov's gun being what it is, the resurection of Thoros made it in the show for a reason. It will manifest in one of two ways: Stoneheart does appear or, a certain other fan favorite will need a jumpstart.
I'm betting on the latter. There are other subtle hints toward that.
Nope.
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Queue the fake outrage brigade.
This episode was just meh. Tommen's a pussy. Reek/Theon is already castrated into submission, so idk why I was expecting anything. Cersei is still a stubborn moron and can't make friends for the life of her. The Dorne scene was underwhelming and the Sand Snakes' acting is just laughable.
Knew this season would be wonky once they stated they would deviate off the books from the get go. Although they haven't deviated that much. Just streamlined and omitted some questionable/important characters.
As I said above, weak season so far.
They haven't changed anything. Every character is acting like we'd expect from prior seasons. I'm still waiting for a defining moment that signals change. So far it just feels like filler to get to a big moment in the finale.
Yeah Arya and Jon's storylines are the only interesting ones this season. I'm actually starting to miss Bran, go figure.
the dwarf / eunuch road trip scenes. But taken as a whole, this season has been very meh.
And for all the people "outraged" about last night's ending, they did it off screen. It could have been much, much, worse.
I know a guy in Queens if you need, no dwarf cocks though. Due to a sensitive work environment they are called ''little people'' cocks.