OT - Per AP, Deshaun Watson 11-game suspension, $5M fine
https://apnews.com/article/deshaun-watson-suspension-nfl-7fd0cd6f0ee86650ee388a9a8253ce49
Deshaun Watson has reached a settlement with the NFL and will serve an 11-game suspension and pay a $5 million fine rather than risk missing his first season as quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, a person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press.
My initial thought is that a middle-ground agreement has been reached and NO ONE will be happy on either side. Let the discussion begin...
August 18th, 2022 at 12:19 PM ^
It’s safe to say, that man spent more money on massages than anyone in the world in the last five years
August 18th, 2022 at 12:50 PM ^
Even Robert Kraft is impressed.
August 18th, 2022 at 2:46 PM ^
I was impressed with Kraft. Saturday night then back Sunday AM before catching flight to AFC Championship game. In and out in 15 minutes. 2x that quick for a guy his age. They always talked about Brady's quick release, who knew the owner also had one.
August 18th, 2022 at 3:10 PM ^
And they always talked about how Gronk was a load to handle...
August 18th, 2022 at 5:09 PM ^
Classic.
August 18th, 2022 at 6:40 PM ^
Well, when you consider what he ended up “spending,” I think Jeff Epstein would disagree.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:20 PM ^
Appears the 11 games bears significance for Watson:
August 18th, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^
Looks like the only parties that are going to be happy about this are Deshaun Watson and his agent.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^
How about some combination of 25 games or $25 million for each of the 25 suits that were filed.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:34 PM ^
So is this a “happy ending?”
I’ll see myself out…
August 18th, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
It’s become a tug of war
August 18th, 2022 at 5:21 PM ^
This kind of humor rubs me the wrong way.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:35 PM ^
Eligible to return week 13. Against the Texans.
That wasn’t an accident. 11 games wasn’t some arbitrary number they decided on.
Say what you will about the NFL, but they find ways to create storylines with absolutely everything they do. As we get into the second half of the season, all the talking heads will be talking about for weeks is Deshaun stepping back out onto the field for the first time. Against his old team. On the road.
You can’t make this stuff up.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:47 PM ^
You're right, the 11 games is not arbitrary. Howeva, sounds like this will leave him with 6 games on the season remaining allowing him to qualify for a full season which will then affect his salary next year (positively for him). The fact that his return falls against the Texans is just icing on the cake for the league. Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence
Edit: to which I'll add from the great Sigmund Freud: "sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar..."
August 18th, 2022 at 12:58 PM ^
Good point. Locking in the next year's salary makes the $5MM fine not a big deal for him.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^
The line between criminal and civil has always mystified me. You can sue someone in court for doing something illegal (murder, etc.) and get a settlement, but that defendant can avoid dealing with the legal aspects.
In this case, I am happy that each plaintiff received a payout. However, future Deshauns are seeing that you can buy your way out of trouble.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:56 PM ^
I am not a lawyer. And 1) being sued and settling out of court is dealing with that legal aspect. 2) my understanding is there is a higher burden of proof in criminal cases, so instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a criminal case, the burden is "a preponderance of the evidence"- so more likely than not- in a civil case
August 18th, 2022 at 1:11 PM ^
it still feels dirty to say "I'll take this much money to not talk to the cops..."
August 18th, 2022 at 2:32 PM ^
Yes and. Have to consider it in the context of the statistics tho. According to https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system, only ~30% of sexual assaults are reported to police, 1 in 6 of those reports result in arrest, and about half of those result in felony convictions and incarcerations.
Which given those odds and taken with the whole having to lay bare and re-live your trauma through depositions and testifying in public, I'd be darn skeptical about taking that route, and if it were easier to take his money and not have to wade through the above, not sure I would describe that as feeling dirty for not talking to the cops, money or no money (which isn't to say those victims didn't talk/haven't already talked to the cops- I haven't followed the cases closely enough to know the details)
August 18th, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^
In criminal cases, you are either guilty or not guilty. In civil cases, you can be “partially”’at fault and will need to pay a corresponding partial amount of the damages.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:38 PM ^
I was actually starting to like the Browns after moving to the area a couple years back.
Now I can go back to hating them and their ownership.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:51 PM ^
All professional teams are in the business of making money, winning games, and minimizing PR disasters. Nowhere are they in the business of caring about people's feelings. It does not help when the majority of owners became millionaires with the same philosophy.
August 18th, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
Sure. I hope the Browns calculated how many fans would ditch them for this.
August 18th, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^
After looking at the Browns sbnation site I got the impression there are lots of fans willing to look the other way and cheer on the team anyway. Now, if Watson starts playing shitty like he did in that preseason game, there will be buyers remorse.
August 18th, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^
The Browns are dumb for going anywhere near Watson. I’m highly skeptical he will win much there.
August 18th, 2022 at 4:31 PM ^
My favorite part of the Browns' hypocrisy here is swearing up and down about his innocence, but letting everyone know they put together a specialized massage plan with approved therapists for him so he doesn't rape anymore. If he really is innocent, you shouldn't need to go out of your way to make sure he doesn't rape any of your employees.
August 19th, 2022 at 8:13 AM ^
On the same note, he makes a statement/non-apology where he maintains his innocence, but then the Browns speak on and on about how he deserves a second chance, everyone makes mistakes, and that they've already seen a lot of growth from him. But if he's innocent, what does he need a second chance for? What growth is there to be done? To make it worse, the Browns basically rewarded him with the most guaranteed money ever. Complete BS and shows how much money talks (by hushing most of the lawsuits).
August 18th, 2022 at 5:12 PM ^
I followed them a little when Jabrill was there.
August 18th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
What happens with the $5 million? Into the NFL's coffers or put toward something useful? It's bullshit if they profit off of a player's misconduct (criminal or otherwise).
August 18th, 2022 at 12:54 PM ^
I believe all fines go to some kind of fund for retired players.
August 18th, 2022 at 3:27 PM ^
According to Roger Goodell's statement https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1560303013272895488/photo/1 the $5 million fine plus a million each from the NFL and the Browns will "support the work of non-profit organizations that educate young people on healthy relationships, promote education and prevention of sexual misconduct and assault, support survivors, and related causes." So sounds like it will be put to good use and not for profit.
August 18th, 2022 at 1:09 PM ^
I’ve always considered myself a Browns fan, even though I prefer CFB. Once they made this trade (regardless of suspensions, etc.), I cannot in good faith support them. Lions it is
August 18th, 2022 at 4:07 PM ^
Welcome to my personal Hell.
S.O.L.
August 18th, 2022 at 5:13 PM ^
America’s New Team!!!
August 18th, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^
At least it's finally resolved, at least until his next transgression.
But it will be interesting to see if he can drag a 5-6 or 6-5 Browns team to the playoffs. The NFL sure does good drama.
August 18th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
I'm thinking we will be hearing a few more sad and ugly stories from this guy, including after he retires. I think certain senses of reasonable behavior around and concerning other people were never "installed" in him.
August 18th, 2022 at 4:51 PM ^
It's not over yet, he still has to through third party behavior evaluations and counseling. He has yet to admit guilt or show remorse. If he doesn't complete it successfully it will be a longer suspension.
Edit: Since I got negged here's a link.
August 18th, 2022 at 5:51 PM ^
Didn't he apologize or half-apologize before their first preseason game?
August 18th, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^
Congratulations to all the silver-haired, middle-age white men that came to this agreement. True justice has been served.
August 18th, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^
All circled around a mid-20’s African American man assaulting over 20 women. What does race have to do with anything here? How about calling a scumbag a scumbag? Or is that some other people’s fault too?
August 18th, 2022 at 1:38 PM ^
It's a Crime In Sports reference. No need to take it so seriously. Give the podcast a listen sometime and you'll understand. There's always a silver-haired, middle-aged white man ready to cover up practically anything to keep a player eligible.
August 18th, 2022 at 1:47 PM ^
Of course, just last week Michigan’s silver haired white AD trying to argue for the hockey coach to remain in tact months after knowing about the program was littered with harassment and cover ups. You’re spot on!
August 18th, 2022 at 3:21 PM ^
I know you don't listen to the podcast, but "silver-haired, middle-aged white man" is a turn of phrase the two hosts use to refer to any owner that will keep a player or coach until he's essentially forced to release the player. They don't actually care at all about the transgressions, just performance.
August 18th, 2022 at 5:19 PM ^
That’s a pretty obscure reference, maybe you should have prefaced it with, “as they say on the Crime in Sports podcast, xxxxx”
You can understand why people negged you though, no need to get riled.
August 18th, 2022 at 2:37 PM ^
Only a hit dog hollers
August 18th, 2022 at 4:09 PM ^
It's funny how it's almost always a "mid-20's African-American" in these situations and the women are typically white with these civil outcomes. It has nothing do to with race, but there sure as hell some pretty strong patterns.
1) Look at the demographics of people with the pitchforks out versus the ones that are thinking " not so fast my friend"
2) Look at the response and the vitriol between this and Big Ben and even Peyton. I know, those were a million years ago and things were different back then. Okay, Robert Kraft got busted before he busted during his massage. I know, it's different because he didn't have 60 women come forward. I bet you dollars to donuts that wasn't his first rub n tug.
Shit, there's dan snyder who had to testify before congress about the sexual happenings with the redskins organization.
2a) For those that didn't click the link, Peyton Manning was accused of putting his testicles and anus on the athletic trainer's face. He claimed that he mooned her. She reported it to the school. UT told her to blame it on a Black player. During the deposition, it came out that Peyton told Archie that the victim “was unattractive but had big breasts” and that she liked to hang out “with a bunch of black guys.”
2b) Ben Roethlisberger raped a woman in a bathroom. His bodyguards would not let her friends come in to rescue her. The Milledgeville cops did everything they could to protect ben the rapist and even took pics with him. Goodell reduced his suspension from 6 game to 4. No fine. There was so much more evidence and concrete facts with ben than Deshaun.
3) The grand jury declined to indict the guy twice. You know how easy it is to indict with a grand jury? Only the prosecution brings evidence forward. They can indict a fucking ham sandwich in a grand jury.
4) Let's look at more facts. This is a bit old, but it's a study from the DoJ. 1.2% of rape cases involved white suspects and black victims. 45% Black men on Black women and 26% Black men on white women. The punishments were twice as harsh and long for cases with black male suspects and white women.
5) History. There's an insanely long history of false rape claims by white women on black men. Groveland Four, Pervis Payne, Hell, Amy Cooper was caught on camera telling the black birdwatcher that the cops are going to believe her because she's white. Terrell Owens dealt with a karen last week and she flat out said, "you're a black man approaching a white woman." in front of the cop.
6) The cost to defend. People settle because the legal process is extremely expensive and one sided. There are more than a few black people that end up pleaing guilty to move on despite being innocent.
It has nothing to do with race, but I can absolutely guess what yours is based on your response and sentiments.
August 18th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^
Again, it is simply a phrase from a podcast and it truly has nothing to do with race. I thought some others here may listen to it as well and get a little laugh. If you don't get, you don't get it. No biggie.
August 18th, 2022 at 4:32 PM ^
my response is for denarded.
August 18th, 2022 at 5:16 PM ^
Oops, ugh, so is mine. Sure that's it.
Thanks for letting me know!
August 18th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
Cleveland deserves worse for even hiring him in the first place. Either their due diligence was piss-poor or they just didn't give a shit.