OT: Anniversary of the Edmund FItzgerald
Today, November 10th, is the 41th(st) anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Obviously, the song sprung from the event by the eloquent Gordon Lightfoot is of great importance to our fearless leader Jim Harbaugh.
So, let us remember this tragedy and honor those who lost their lives to the witch of November.
"The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
When the wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too
'Twas the witch of November come stealin."
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Remembering the captain and crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald today. God Bless You and Yours! https://t.co/OZl3bMYWuy
— Coach Harbaugh (@CoachJim4UM) November 10, 2015
November 10th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^
I remember that day. I was in seventh grade (yes, I am old). I was swimming in lake Michigan that day. It was freezing but the waves were huge. I remember the article in the paper about the "Fitz" the next day.
November 10th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^
November 10th, 2016 at 1:25 PM ^
do you remember a guy having a heart attack at the launching because of the huge wave created by the ship entering the water? There was a show on PBS about that.
November 10th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^
for marine forensics (like me), here is the most credible analysis of the cause of the sinking I've read to date:
http://assets1.csc.com/innovation/downloads/Edmund_Fitzgerald.pdf
Warning though - it has a lot of naval architecture terms and math in it. But the summary is basically this: the ship sank because of ongoing slow flooding likely caused by two damaged ballast tank vents on the upper starboard deck. Water entered these vents, causing an increasing list to starboard and the ship to gradually lower in the water. This could have been combined with several leaking hatch covers, but that hasn't been proven definitively. But, the very heavy following seas dumped more and more water on the top deck, and eventually the ship lost positive stability. The end likely came when a particularly huge wave struck the ship and caused the front two cargo hold covers to fail. (This wave was actually observed by the crew of the Anderson some distance behind the Fitz, and contact was lost with the ship around the time this wave would have reached the EF) It then broke apart on the surfact and sank.
Very sad for the crew and families.
November 10th, 2016 at 2:34 PM ^
That's interesting, I've listened in on several debates about the cause. One friend who has put a lot of time into it ventures his best guess that the ship unknowingly ran across a shoal and was damaged. There are certainly theories that the rogue wave recorded by the Anderson resulted in a hog/sag situation that could have broken the ship's back and help explain why it split into two pieces.
It's worth remembering that the depth of the water the Fitz rests under is shallower than the length of the boat.
November 10th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
Water coming in through damaged vents and/or cargo covers would have caused the ship to ride lower in the water. That would have made it more susceptible to striking a shoal.
November 10th, 2016 at 4:28 PM ^
ruled out for several reasons. First, there's no proof that the ship's course carried it over the shoal. It's believed it was possible, but again no proof. Second, they examined the shoal sometime after the accident and found no evidence of anything large hitting the rocks there. Also, due to the condition and position of the wreck, the area where it may have hit can't be examined.
The hog/sag scenario would not have been enough without other stresses on the hulll, such as that caused by overflooding and loss of stability. Two other similar ships were out in the storm and suffered no such fate. The Arthur Anderson, not many miles behind the Fitz encountered the same "rogue" wave and survived it.
Regarding the depth of water, one popular theory is that the ship made one big plunge with the bow plowing into the lake bed with the ships propellers driving in further causing the breakup. The forensic analysis I referenced basically debunked that theory. The study concluded it broke up at the surface.
November 10th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^
Seems like surface would be the only logical conclusion, and IMO directly related to the cause.
November 10th, 2016 at 11:18 PM ^
November 11th, 2016 at 8:43 AM ^
As I understand it, the hogging and sagging could indeed have been enough to sink the ship, because it wasn't well constructed or designed. It had welds where normally there would've been rivets, which made it inflexible and prone to undue stresses. The one wave could easily have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Or the log that broke it after being loaded down with straws.
November 10th, 2016 at 6:26 PM ^
thanks for sharing.
November 10th, 2016 at 7:02 PM ^
I had long thought it was that hog/sag theory - the ship being lifted up between waves and cracked in the valley between them - but this report debunks that notion.
November 10th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^
When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
At seven pm a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good t'know ya
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went outta sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
November 10th, 2016 at 1:26 PM ^
crazy to think of the weather back then compared to now.
It is 64 degrees, calm and sunny today.
Harbaugh did say "Global warming good for Michigan" but also in ways other than recruiting.
November 10th, 2016 at 1:59 PM ^
The day before the Fitzgerald sank was unusually warm and nice as well. The storm came in fairly quickly.
November 10th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
I was on Point Iroquis, it was close to 70 degress with glass calm water and clear skies, the next day they had 12 to 15 foot waves and gale force winds.
That is exactly why the gales of November can be so dangerous to mariners.
November 10th, 2016 at 1:31 PM ^
November 10th, 2016 at 1:34 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
November 10th, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^
Wow. Happy birthday
November 10th, 2016 at 1:40 PM ^
but some of the lyrics are a little, shall we say - bad:
"As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most..."
Clearly written by a Canadian, whose music mostly sucks - e.g. Loverboy, Bryan Adams, April Wine, Corey Hart. That statement does not include Rush, The Guess Who and Triumph - they rocked!
November 10th, 2016 at 1:41 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
one of the better written songs you'll find, in my opinion
November 10th, 2016 at 8:00 PM ^
without The Tragically Hip or OLP?
You are invalid.
November 10th, 2016 at 3:54 PM ^
November 10th, 2016 at 4:55 PM ^
Beautiful day on Superior today! Tomorrow 8 foot waves expected.
November 10th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^
a real toe tapper
November 10th, 2016 at 5:58 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 8:10 PM ^
Also saw the EF many time as a kid going through the locks.
Was 10 when she went down, & I remember Thanksgiving in the Soo that year was pretty somber.
November 10th, 2016 at 7:33 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 8:04 PM ^
Well since our coach tweeted it that may have motivated the op. What's with people entering threads to bitch about the tread they had no interest in?
November 10th, 2016 at 8:59 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 9:15 PM ^
Good thing this isn't a stupid thread, then.
November 10th, 2016 at 11:19 PM ^
Comment # 10 is a good enough reason for this thread to exist all by itself.
November 10th, 2016 at 10:20 PM ^
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November 10th, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^
November 11th, 2016 at 9:38 AM ^
Here it is. You're right, it looks identical to the Fitz.
November 11th, 2016 at 12:49 PM ^
but it wouldn't surprise me that it has been changed/upgraded in the interceding 41 yrs.
November 10th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
Not positive, but I think the Jackson's pilot house is the original design. The boat has been upgraded, though--different power plant, and the self-unloader is visible in that picture.
November 11th, 2016 at 9:11 AM ^
The radio transmissions of the search for the Edmund Fitzgerald in the storm as it happened.