OT: ALL-TIMER of an RCMB thread on the Blackwell photo
Generally, I think it’s pretty Sparty-esque to care about what the other side is posting about, but I was just to curious to see how they’d react to the Blackwell photo to resist taking a peak.
And HOLY COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, BATMAN! This is just astounding! The fun starts here:
Through the next many pages, a few points are agreed upon:
- The picture was OBVIOUSLY photoshopped,
- The recruits mom is being paid off to say that she took the photo and Blackwell was in the house,
- The local media is all funded by Michigan alums, who demand that Sparty be destroyed. Even the Sparty beat writers have bought in, and
- The media SHOULD instead be focused on Zavier’s traffic accident (still), which would have resulted in a lesser powerful program getting the death penalty.
Now, it’s fun to take jabs at the rivals, but I really think this thread could be studied by a Psych Ph.D student and included in a dissertation on mental gymnastics!
February 19th, 2020 at 7:44 AM ^
The Simpson thing is a very, very bad look. Almost as bad as the football coach lying under oath.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:06 AM ^
Sarcasm?
February 19th, 2020 at 8:42 AM ^
I upvoted. Quality sarcasm.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
You gotta love when they justify the actions of a 60-year old multi-millionaire by looking at the actions of a 21-year old.
Also, let's not talk about driving infractions when you're the school of LJ Scott.
February 19th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
I have 3 Michigan degrees. My dad has 2. Simpson's accident objectively looks terrible. I agree that there are possible non-terrible explanations, and because I also own maize-colored glasses, I believe one of them. It still looks absolutely awful, and everybody should be able to admit that. Even MSU's couch fire of a university is not a reason to minimize how bad that situation looks.
That said, MSU's situation is much, much worse. #lolfuckthem
February 19th, 2020 at 9:23 AM ^
Unreal this has so many downvotes. The fuck happened to this board?
February 19th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^
MLive stopped allowing comments on stories and everyone migrated over here.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:53 PM ^
I have been trying to rationalize WTF happened to the board, and this I think is a very plausible explanation.
February 19th, 2020 at 7:46 AM ^
Problem over there with that fanbase is that they all have a rare genetic condition called HICS - Hypertrophic Inferiority Complex Syndrome - or more commonly referred to as 'lil brother syndrome.
February 19th, 2020 at 7:52 AM ^
HICS isn't going to get the care and attention it deserves under any medical plan - Medicare, ACA, private insurance plans, etc... Its part of the stigma of mental health disorders and just totally misunderstood. Poor Sparty, they're going to have to just Spart on until they come to terms with the condition.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:05 PM ^
Since MSU has one of the top veterinary programs in the country, maybe they could all get a distemper shot.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:21 AM ^
It's worse... step brother.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
In addition to it being a syndrome it is also a fact, MSU is our little brother, no getting around that governmental-genetic fact.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:01 AM ^
I imagine RCMB reads a lot like 4chan.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
I'm betting on far worse.
February 19th, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
Exactly, the Children of Yost were singing them the ABC's at the hockey game the other night
Some of the kids in the Sparty section were taking notes.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^
Without the intelligence of reading constellations and airplane maps
February 19th, 2020 at 8:01 AM ^
I'm not sure specifically what will come from all of this other than bad PR (they've had a lot of it lately). I can't imagine him being charged with perjury for something that seems so small (in terms of an NCAA violation). Maybe they lose a practice or a scholarship or something, but it does seem like a fairly minor violation from everything I've read.
Again, awful PR and an awful reason to lie, Mork.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:04 AM ^
Agree. Slap on the wrist from the NCAA, no charges for Mork. They just look incompetent, though.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^
The NCAA will bring the hammer down and significantly reduce the amount of time allowed for stretching.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^
and take away some staplers and a foam finger or two.
February 19th, 2020 at 1:24 PM ^
I hope the NCAA vacates just enough wins to drop Mork to #2 on the all time Sparty win list.
February 19th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
Duffy who is #2 at MSU blatantly cheated for years and gave impermissible benefits to players and never got docked any wins by the NCAA.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:15 AM ^
Funneling jobs from a booster to the parents of recruits is the more serious NCAA violation.
Dantonio's and MSU's lies about this infraction were so easily refuted that not even the NCAA will take their word about that one.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^
Exactly. The picture though is important to the ncaa and in this case as it backs the story of Blackwell and proves that Dantonio and Msu have lied. With that being established it weakens the rest of their defense and opens the doors to the rest of the accusations to be investigated.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^
Call my cynical, I doubt the ncaa investigates anything here.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^
It's in court documents, so the investigation has already been done for them, at least on this coach visit. That's a nothing, but the jobs thing could be a problem if it's similarly refuted (in court). The NCAA may step in at that point because it's been put on a platter for them.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:37 AM ^
MSU says they are investigating. They have to report their findings to the NCAA. Where things go from there is anyone's guess, but the NCAA will be involved. Lying to them would be a mistake if the NCAA finds out. My guess is that MSU will wait and see what comes out in Blackwell's suit and deny anything beyond that.
February 19th, 2020 at 3:32 PM ^
It will be a "self-reported infraction" with a slap on the wrist. They may even take a retroactive bowl ban for their 3-9 season.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:22 AM ^
Dont think this is an isolated incident... its the culture.
February 19th, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^
Nothing will happen on this. Like every renegade program MSU realizes that since the NCAA requires the guilty to 1) conduct the investigation and 2) pick the punishment the prudent course is to deny everything and never self impose sanctions, or to lightly slap yourself on the wrist without admitting wrongdoing. At best MSU will claim unintentional ignorance that has no harmful impact since the AD and head football coach are gone anyway.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:06 AM ^
"No sh*t. NCAA hasn’t done ANYTHING with the FBI basketball investigation (see Kansas), so why tf would they remotely be concerned with this?"
This is the only valid statement I read on the page linked by the OP. Could not read on... However, this isn't about NCAA rules - it's about Mick Damtony perjuring himself in a legal deposition. I doubt the NCAA will care about a minor recruiting flamboozle when it lets dozens of programs, coaches, and players off scott-free for auctioning their own services. We'll see whether a judge thinks proven perjury in his court is allowable. It might be? I mean, it's happened before - quite recently, and publicly, actually.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:07 AM ^
Very true. But the NCAA is more afraid of opening the can of worms the FBI opened and wants that hushed as it would take down a lot of programs. They don't want to beat down their cash cow NCAA tournament and all of the programs that get ratings. No big deal if Kansas got punished. But as soon as Kansas, Duke, UK, and a bunch of other schools get looked into and are missing those ratings drop drastically.
Msu, should be worried, because the Ncaa has had no problems going after BigTen football programs individually. Michigan stretch gate they tried to pile on LIC. TattooGate and osu, pennst yes that was disgusting but also out of the ncaa perview and they nearly crippled that program while they completely ignored auburn/miss st with cam newton, Bama and several sec schools when DJ Fluker and other former sec players admitted that their schools directed them to agents for money.
February 21st, 2020 at 11:32 AM ^
This makes sense. It's like the SEC is the party beach in Florida--no cop in his/her right mind wants to venture into that and stir up shit, but let someone park for an extra 10 minutes and the tickets will fly.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^
I mean of course. Did you expect anything different? One of the main established human behaviors is to ignore/discredit information that goes against are already preconceived beliefs. I mean, you see it every single day all around you. You see it every day all over the news. This is basically what the internet is now a days. Unfortunately, it's a rare person that can actually analyze their feelings around a root belief and change it honestly with critical thinking about new information.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^
Can't say I spend alot of time over at RCMB for my morning pick me up, ever.
Breaking: irrational thinking occurs on sports blogs.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^
I'd like to hear their spin on MSU's lawyers admitting the violation happened, but asserting that Dantonio didn't purposefully lie about it.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:24 AM ^
Dantonio was aware, but not fully aware, that Blackwell was standing next to him in that photo.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:25 AM ^
“They’re incompetent!”
I’m actually impressed they didn’t jump right to “They’re in on it!”
February 19th, 2020 at 10:08 AM ^
Dantonio's lawyers:
While Plaintiff’s attempts along this line would be obvious bad faith even if they were true, the very public and false statements that Dantonio committed “perjury” necessitate a response.3 As an initial matter, perjury is false testimony “concerning a material matter with the willful intent to provide false testimony, rather than as a result of confusion, mistake, or faulty memory.” United States v. Schwartz, 698 F. App'x 799, 802 (6th Cir. 2017). Plaintiff’s allegations, even if they were true, come nowhere near meeting this standard and remain gratuitous libel by Blackwell and his counsel.
Moreover, none of the “evidence” Plaintiff has proffered is even inconsistent with Dantonio’s testimony. During his deposition, Dantonio was asked general questions about whether Blackwell would drive with him on recruiting visits in Detroit (occasionally, on visits to schools, but Blackwell would wait in the car), whether Blackwell would drive with other assistant coaches on recruiting visits (Dantonio didn’t know, but didn’t think so), and whether Blackwell would “ever go with [him] to visit any recruits at their homes?” (no). (Ex. 6, excerpts of Dantonio’s deposition at 39-40, 62-66.) In the context of the questioning, Dantonio was answering whether Blackwell drove with him when he went on home visits. Dantonio was not asked about any specific visit. Dantonio does not recall the particular 2015 visit Plaintiff identifies in his submission (Dantonio visited hundreds of recruits during his career). However, travel records reflect that neither Dantonio nor any of the other coaches present drove Blackwell there. While Dantonio does not recall Blackwell being at the location depicted in the pictures, or how Blackwell came to appear in the photograph, he is adamant that he did not drive him there or authorize him to be there.
Paterson and Plaintiff’s repeated statements that the testimony of Jennifer Smith somehow contradicts Dantonio’s testimony concerning the employment of a student-athlete’s parent is also entirely false and made in bad faith. See ECF No. 196, PageID 2377. Smith testified that she recalled a particular instance where the employment of parent was reviewed by her office, which is perfectly consistent with Dantonio’s testimony that the same issue was reviewed and approved by compliance.
While neither of these issues are remotely relevant to Plaintiff’s Fifth Amendment claim, the generation of this irrelevant factual dispute, involving an accusation of criminal conduct, underscores that Plaintiff and his counsel deserve the most severe sanction.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
Lawyers gonna lawyer.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^
I love how the lawyers are now bringing up the possibility that Blackwell is photoshopped into this picture as they don’t know how he “came to appear in the photo.” Unless they are suggesting right before the picture was taken, Blackwell ran in from outside the house and snuck into the middle of it, then snuck out unnoticed after the picture was taken. What a clusterfuck of epic proportions
February 19th, 2020 at 8:33 AM ^
If you want some fun reading check out what CU fans think of Mel Tucker going on a media and alumni tour talking about staying there while negotiating with MSU. They’re all hoping that Michigan kicks the shit out of MSU until he gets fired.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
Link? How to do this? Plz Halp, I want
February 19th, 2020 at 9:41 AM ^
It was the top google link for “Mel tucker MSU scumbag”.
On edit: https://www.allbuffs.com/threads/mel-tucker-leaves-cu-for-michigan-state.143217/page-33
That's about where it starts to get good, but there's gold from page 1 to page 64.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:41 AM ^
You mean to tell me a man who spent years looking the other way at sexual assault allegations, or picked up kids from jail to drive them to the football field would LIE UNDER OATH?!
Color me shocked.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
Per this detnews article,
Tucker, in his six-year contract that pays him at least $5.5 million a year, has a clause that if NCAA allegations are found that preceded his hire, he would be given additional years on his contract.
seems like an interesting conflict of interest for him... he has incentive to get this classified as a violation, even though that might hurt his ability to succeed as a coach
February 19th, 2020 at 8:48 AM ^
The first time I saw this but of info on Twitter I honestly believed it was sarcasm.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:49 AM ^
Why would you want to stay there longer than you had to? lol
February 19th, 2020 at 8:54 AM ^
All that means is MSU is going to have a bigger buyout when he's fired after 3 seasons. Or, since they've spent so much money on a coach who won't fill the stadium, they'll be stuck with him. Especially after they have to pay Blackwell.