Terrible. Don't want to speculate at all. USA Today reports it-
OT: 4 Vanderbilt players suspended due to sex crime investigation
until we know the facts! Geez!
That is not very far fetched. Vanderbilt is in the SEC. Florida is also in the SEC. Urban apparently used to coach at Florida. Coincidence? Maybe...
But I like the way you think.
We all know that punters are just bad eggs!
I'll speculate. I'm guessing they had pre-marital sex. That's still illegal here in TN. But only if you outwardly act as if pre-martial sex is OK.
It would have been hilarious if it weren't super out-of-bounds in this thread.
It's topical here. Woulda looked real out of place in a thread about Da'Shawn Hand.
So much for Vandy's shot at an SEC championship this year.
I have a feeling this thread won't last long.
May I ask how in the world do you somehow have over 10 million mgopoints?
Usually when the Mods send someone to Bolivia for a little bit, they take away a lot of points, but have the negative-points expire after a certain amount of time.
Since WD saved all of Wolverine Historian's videos, Brian brought him out of the negative early. But those negative-points were still on there, so I'm guessing they expired and he jumped up an extra 10 million points
This. I have 10,000 fake points for a Jerry Sandusky joke that I was punished once and rewarded twice over.
Some vandy fanboy is pulling the Sparty card in defense, some jokes just write themselves.
Loucheiz Purifoy (February 3, 2013)
Jessamen Dunker (January 16, 2013)
Trip Thurman (October 28, 2012)
Leon Orr 2 (May 14, 2012)
A.C. Leonard (February 15, 2012)
Leon Orr (January 10, 2012)
Marcus Roberson (September 14, 2011)
Dee Finley (September 12, 2011)
Jon Halapio (August 28, 2011)
Matt Elam (July 24, 2011)
De’Ante Saunders (May 25, 2011)
Chris Martin (May 24, 2011)
Kedric Johnson (May 24, 2011)
Janoris Jenkins 2 (April 23, 2011)
Janoris Jenkins (January 22, 2011)
Chris Rainey (September 14, 2010)
Missouri (16 - even the coach got arrested)
Ka’ra Stewart (December 17, 2012)
Corbin Berkstresser (May 15, 2012)
Torey Boozer (October 3, 2012)
Dorial Green-Beckham (October 3, 2012)
Levi Copelin (October 3, 2012)
Maty Mauk (August 30, 2012)
Chris Freeman (April 16, 2012)
Ashton Glaser 2 (March 11, 2012)
Gary Pinkel (November 16, 2011)
Tristen Holt (September 10, 2011)
Jimmy Burge 2 (January 17, 2011)
Jimmy Burge (October 2, 2010)
Derrick Washington (September 12, 2010)
Ashton Glaser (September 8, 2010)
Beau Brinkley (August 29 , 2010)
Will Ebner (August 22, 2010)
Austin Flynn (February 12, 2013)
Terrell Williams (November 4, 2012)
Chris Smith (October 10, 2012)
Maudrecus Humphrey (May 12, 2012)
Andrew Peterson (May 12, 2012)
Marquel Wade (May 12, 2012)
Tyler Gilbert (April 17, 2012)
Kane Whitehurst (April 1, 2012)
Jason Peacock (March 16, 2012)
Anthony Oden (July 9, 2011)
Ross Rasner (April 15, 2011)
Lance Ray (January 29, 2011)
Dequinta “D.D.” Jones (October 27, 2010)
Ty Flournoy-Smith (February 22, 2013)
Matt Stagg (November 8, 2012)
Isaiah Crowell (June 29, 2012)
Chase Vasser (May 11, 2012)
Branden Smith (March 11, 2012)
Sanders Commings (January 21, 2012)
Cornelius Washington (October 2, 2011)
Caleb King (October 11, 2010)
Demetre Baker (September 26, 2010)
Alec Ogletree (September 3, 2010)
Washaun Ealey (August 27, 2010)
Zach Mettenberger (March 08, 2010)
Antonio M. Goodwin (March 11, 2011)
Harrison D. Mosley (March 11, 2011)
Kowaski Q. Kitchens (March 11, 2011)
Michael A. McNeil (March 11, 2011)
Eric Smith (March 2, 2011)
Onterrio McCalebb (May 14, 2011)
Quan Bray (September 27, 2012)
Reese Dismukes (August 25, 2012)
Trovon Reed (May 10, 2012)
Zeke Pike (June 23, 2012)
Ole Miss (9)
Philander Moore (March 16, 2013)
Bo Wallace (January 19, 2012)
Clarence Jackson (May 13, 2011)
Delvin Jones (May 13, 2011)
Evan Ingram (March 14, 2011)
Jamal Mosley (August 21, 2011)
Jamal Mosley 2 (July 21, 2012)
Randall Mackey (August 23, 2011)
Melvin Harris (Decoember 1, 2010)
Ben Heeney (January 20, 2013)
T.J. James (January 4, 2013)
Marcus Caffey (September 13, 2012)
Bookie Cobbins (September 13, 2012)
Raymond Sanders (September 13, 2012)
Ridge Wilson (February 26, 2012)
Mark Crawford (February 27, 2011)
Mike Hartline (December 10, 2010)
Matt Roark (October 24, 2010)
Alabama (8 -- including a coach)
D.J. Pettway (February 11, 2013)
Tyler Hayes (February 11, 2013)
Brent Calloway (February 11, 2013)
Eddie Williams (February 11, 2013)
Eddie Williams (February 10, 2013)
Derrick Crudup Jr. (May 29, 2012) -- offensive grad assistant coach
Brent Calloway (October 21, 2011)
Mark Barron (March 20, 2011)
Texas A&M (7)
Kirby Ennis (February 1, 2013)
Kenneth Ray Marshall (November 29, 2012)
Jordan Trevon Richmond (November 29, 2012)
Johnny Manziel (June 29, 2012)
Kyle Mangan (August 7, 2011)
Damontre Moore (June 3, 2011)
Matthew Joeckel (October 17, 2010)
South Carolina (6 -- including a coach)
Tanner McEvoy (July 29, 2012)
Angelo Watley (February 26, 2012)
Byron Jerideau (January 13, 2012)
G.A. Mangus (July 26, 2011) -- QB coach
Edward Muldrow (July 14, 2011)
DeVonte Holloman (June 17, 2011)
Cameron Clear (May 22, 2012)
Brendan Downs (November 26, 2012)
Austin Johnson (July 24, 2011)
Brent Brewer (February 13, 2011)
Doak Raulston (November 20, 2010)
Jacques Smith (October 31, 2010)
Jeremy Hill (April 27, 2013)
Jordan Jefferson (August 26, 2011)
Joshua Johns (August 26, 2011)
T-Bob Hebert (May 2010)
Terrance Toliver (March 2010)
Miss state (4)
Chad Bumphis (January 1, 2012)
Chris Hughes (August 31, 2011)
Deontae Skinner (June 5, 2011)
Dennis Thames (May 31, 2011)
Andre Simmons (November 15, 2011)
That seems like an awful lot, but I can't truly tell whether the volume is impressive without some context. For instance, how does the arrest record of the Big Ten or Pac 12 or Big 12 compare over this period?
Arrests are a low bar for a smear campaign when a school takes the right action in response to conduct not in accordance with team rules. I'd rather see a list of schools where wrong doing was swept under the rug ...maybe Phork has that list. Maybe those schools aren't in a conference so it's a little easier to throw the stones from such glassy heights.
Useful information and you're going to rag on him for being a ND fan? That's not even relevant to the discussion. If any other poster had provided that list, you'd be fine with it. Phork can be a troll but he's not doing that here so just get over it.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. However I don't mind taking shots because his points are relevant to the discussion. I have to take it as well as I give it.
I will say this about the cases in which he is referring. In regard to the Seeburg case, the only people with relevant information are the police. None of us know anything that happened and its all speculation. I can't say if there was wrong doing by an ND player nor can I say this person is innocent. I just don't have enough information, and neither do you. And I refuse to trash the memory of a girl who seemingly had bigger issues in her life.
In regards to the Sulilvan case ND took full responsibility, so not sure why the continued reference to this one is.
Anything else thats been "swept" under the carpet?
And I refuse to trash the memory of a girl who seemingly had bigger issues in her life.
Careful, your hypocrisy is showing.
Hypocritical, divergent and obfuscatory is more like it. No arrests have been made in this case. A recent arrest list of SEC athletes is useful? Please explain.
What you do is not nearly as important as what you do about it.
Phork is good when applied to chicken. It doesn't work here.
Maybe you could help me out? Eerily familiar story. Football player rapes girl, friend football player tells girl to keep her mouth shut. Yet none of this hit the airwaves? Interesting.
Has a player named "T-Bob" Hebert?
Gotta love it!
kid. Herbert-to-Anthony Carter combo propelled USFL Michigan Panthers to league championship back in the day.
One of my favorite sports teams, ever.
Never realized just how great a fit Mizzou was for the SEC
He was the #1 player in the country a few years ago. Sounded like a nice kid. I wonder what the story was on this incident.
According to the HuffPo, he and 2 other freshman were smoking pot near the stadium last year and got busted
for all the talk of SEC speed...the cops seem to always be a little faster
Now that is funny.
Are you all anything?
Channel 4 in Nashville is reporting that the four players are underclassmen and "not well known."
But they're still people, damnit.
Vanderbilt did amend a statement made yesterday (LINK). To possibly underscore how serious Vanderbilt takes such things (as they should):
"The four students have also been placed on interim suspension from the university, effective immediately, pending further investigation and/or a hearing. They may not return to campus for any purpose without explicit permission from the Office of Student Conduct and Academic Integrity."
Vanderbilt did not go into much detail in their official statement either, which really is the better road, in my opinion. If nothing else, it seems like they take safety extremely seriously (a good thing, I would say), if the players have been barred from campus altogether pending the results of the investigation.
It is false to equate a program with actions of a few. When I was in school I was an RA and volunteered at SAPAC. At the time, Michigan had a lot of programs to educate its students and student athletes on these issues (stuff most people would think was common sense), but incidents still happened. The few I knew of were unreported or sort of disappeared because of the whole he said/she said (hard to prove) thing. Good for Vanderbilt for kicking the players off the team.
You can blame a school if they don't have the programs, or have a culture that allows these incidents to flourish (PSU).
Vanderbilt is forgetting some crucial steps involving any sex crime investigation of its football team. Where are the cover-ups? the stalling? the public smearing of the victims? the sham "exhaustive" investigation? the protect the team at all costs mentality?
did they each get 69 pts for the fulmer cup?
Let's just let this thing play out. Vandy seems to be handling it the right way, so don't jump on them too much. Remember the Duke Lacrosse fiasco??