On3 Final 2022 Football Rankings, nice Michigan jumps....
https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/where-michigan-signees-land-in-the-updated-on300-rankings/
Summary:
DB Will Johnson - 42 -> 31 and now a 5* to their service
DE Derrick Moore - 167 -> 55 huge jump.
LB Jimmy Rolder - 155 -> 59 another even bigger jump
WR Darrius Clemons - 47 -> 75 mostly due to others jumping him
S Keon Sabb - 102 -> 93 slight jump up
DL Kenneth Grant - 130 -> 101 nice bump up
S - Zeke Berry - 60 -> 152 fairly big dropoff. Dropped him but said it was a headscrather?!?!?!
TE Colston Loveland - NR -> 244 nice bump up. At minimum 57 spots.
CB Kody Jones - 270 -> 258 minor bump up
WR Tyler Morris - NR -> 300 makes debut in 300
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EDGE Kevonte Henry fell from 93 to 175 but isnt listed because they believe he is going elsewhere.
OT Josh Conerly Jr fell from 55 to 145 - no reason why given.
Overall, 8 moved up, and 2 moved down, so very nice movement for Michigan's class.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^
Anyone know off the top of their head if On3 is included in the 247 Composite yet?
Things seem like they’re trending that way at least. They’ve quickly become pretty popular and credible in the recruiting coverage world.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:49 PM ^
Are they new this year? I don’t remember hearing of this company before the last few months. And what does “on3” even mean/refer to?
January 24th, 2022 at 1:56 PM ^
I would imagine "breaking the huddle". Michigan on 3- 1 2 3 Michigan or something of the sort
January 24th, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
I believe thewolverine.com moved to on3.
Here's what it says about them.
"On3 is founded by Shannon B. Terry, who has 25+ years experience in sports and entertainment media. Terry previously founded 247Sports (acquired by CBS Sports), Pop Culture Media (acquired by CBS Interactive), and co-founded Rivals.com (acquired by Yahoo!)."
January 24th, 2022 at 4:39 PM ^
So basically this guy creates a sports site, sells it, then creates a NEW sports site to compete with the one he just sold--repeat till death?
January 24th, 2022 at 2:08 PM ^
Yeah they’re new, but they were created by the founder of 247 and they brought in a bunch of recruiting insiders and beat writers from other sites. So they’re quickly gaining popularity and credibility in the recruiting circles.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:56 PM ^
No, they are not. Check out the On3 Consensus ranking if you are looking for a composite with all 4 on there.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
Not sure but they (On3) have their own composite, the On3 Consensus. To your point about credibility, they brought over some pretty iconic team sites, like The Wolverine, Kentucky Sports Radio, and Blue & Gold.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
I just read on the 247 board they will be added next cycle. So shortly.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:38 PM ^
On3 has put a lot of money into advertising and hiring the two main dudes who do commitment graphics, so they've gotten a lot of visibility quickly. Whether their evals are actually good remains to be seen
January 24th, 2022 at 4:10 PM ^
Not yet included, I believe.
On3 working hard to get their recruiting database together, its still a ways out from where they want it. Once it is fully up and running, will be a very nice place to find information, and lots of it
January 24th, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^
Three top 60 defenders in the class? Yes, please.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^
DE Derrick Moore - 167 -> 55 huge jump. (change of 112)
LB Jimmy Rolder - 155 -> 59 another even bigger jump (change of 96)
This hurt the math half of my brain
January 24th, 2022 at 1:47 PM ^
WR Darrius Clemons - 47 -> 75 mostly due to others jumping him
This made me chuckle. I get that there's some nuance to... "not doing well" vs. "others improved", but all of this is relative. but I like the michigan homer-ism ... its not us, its them!
Either way - glad this dude signed up. I like that it improves our standing - would be nice to finish with 1-2 late risers.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:02 PM ^
That was pretty much from them, not my homerism ... "largely due to rankings attrition around him"
My homerism would be that he should have moved up, not down. Kids a stud.
January 24th, 2022 at 4:28 PM ^
Tesla - that's pretty common though, and we've seen it plenty in previous years. There is a difference between "we looked at this kid again and made a decision to move him down" and "we liked his rating, but due to other players getting a boost, his ranking dropped." This is the downside to being a top-100ish player early. Even if the experts opinion of you doesn't change, you're bound to drop as other players who weren't previously on the radar start to show out.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:47 PM ^
I resisted saying this same thing, haha.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
Well, that was slightly embarrassing. I cannot even come up with an excuse to wiggle out of that one.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^
Rolder at 59 seems generous. I think he's a mid 4 star but lacks the elite athleticism to be ranked that high. Moore is undersized for his position, but was just UA Game MVP so I guess that makes sense
January 24th, 2022 at 4:14 PM ^
Agree on Rolder. Very very good linebacker, but I don't think he is quite athletic enough. Not quite Devon Bush, but who knows what the upgrade in coaching and SnC can do. He does look pretty filled out, but maybe some refocusing of his diet and stuff can help him shave a little time and be faster sideline to sideline. I like him as a prospect and hope he is better than I anticipate.
Not sure the plan for Moore, I know he's a freak, but he looks like a monster 3T to me. Either way, happy to have him in the mix
January 24th, 2022 at 2:58 PM ^
That was the first thing I thought as well, and I started typing up a response. Then I decided not to publish it because I didn't want to be that guy. But I definitely hoped that someone else would be that guy., because it was really bugging me. And I kept checking back to see if someone else would PLEASE PLEASE be that guy. Thank you for being that guy.
January 24th, 2022 at 6:52 PM ^
January 24th, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^
since rc15 addressed the bad maths...
Not familiar with how on3 does things, but the comparison of the composite to their ranking is interesting. Big gaps include player - composite - on3 rank)
- OT Zach Rice - 14 composite - 111 on3
- OT Josh Conerly - 31 - 145
- DL Travis Shaw - 34 - 247
- WR Shazz Preston - 37 - 135
- S Kamari Wilson - 38 - 160
- OL Will Campbell (NTWL) - 40 - 125
and it's too annoying to type any more with a busted pinky. Who knew i used it so much when typing.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:46 PM ^
Pardon my old man cynicism but how odd it is that our recruits all have a massive increase in their percieved talent level right after we complete our best year in a long, long time.
Almost like confirmation bias was present or something.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
No no no no no...that's only for the SEC and osu. Never for Michigan.
January 24th, 2022 at 1:58 PM ^
yeah exactly.
another example: gets offer from bama, boom, guy moves up. he must be good, he's going to bama!
January 24th, 2022 at 1:59 PM ^
Not so loud. Let the rejoicing carry on.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
It could also be Michigan scouted these players better than recruiting services, and now since they’ve had more time to look at all the players high school careers, the recruiting rankings are more accurate.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:12 PM ^
Yeah high school seasons just ended a month and a half ago and all star games just wrapped up. Meaning highlight film has been released and the recruiting sites have had time to view and analyze them, and adjust their rankings accordingly.
While I do believe offer lists and commitment destinations play a factor, I wouldn’t say they sit here and look at which teams had a good season and bump their commits up.
January 24th, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^
Yeah I feel like Michigan recruits taking big jumps up late once services look at them is nothing new.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^
I'm completely star struck with those moves!
January 24th, 2022 at 2:08 PM ^
Creepy
January 24th, 2022 at 2:16 PM ^
Ya think?
January 24th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^
I read the article you pasted. It says its 2 months old. And then theres this.
Belleville (Mich.) High linebacker Aaron Alexander (No. 295).
What am I missing?
edit: I clicked the wrong link. Neg away. But seriously, whats with that ranking?
January 24th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
It is from 3 hours ago.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:05 PM ^
Sorry. Monday. Amirite?
January 24th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
The article the OP shared was published 3 hours ago.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
My favorite recruiting service is the one who ranks the michigan commits the highest. I also reserve the right to change this according to their player rankings and totally disapprove any site's rankings that do not align with my own.
January 24th, 2022 at 2:22 PM ^
Can they play DT?
January 24th, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^
I have no reason to trust On3 over 247 yet. 247 still has the best regional analysts go all services and has a proven track record
January 24th, 2022 at 2:48 PM ^
Obviously, this is good news. I'm not concerned about Darrius Clemons or Zeke Berry dropping, with the former being ranked too high before according to my untrained scouts eye and the latter clearly being a stud who is a slam dunk top 100 prospect. If On3 wants to look foolish regarding Berry, that's their choice. Grant and Rolder are the ones who stand out most to me because we desperately need someone Grant's size to pan out in the near future and because Rolder's tape looks awesome but is limited to him mostly moving downhill.
January 24th, 2022 at 9:27 PM ^
Had to page all the way to the bottom to find a take on the Zeke Berry "demotion". They can neg him all the way to Bolivia if they want but we still want that electric talent on our side...and Clemons too for that matter.
January 25th, 2022 at 5:32 AM ^
On3 is a complete joke right now, and they just ranked Devin Brown (OSU QB commit) #1. Their ranking have been laughable since the first ones came out. I don’t doubt you guys got some great recruits, but OSU fans are laughing at how high some of our own recruits are.