The shit... has officially hit the fan...
This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
The shit... has officially hit the fan...
My dads not gonna believe me when I say a big bowl of fruit punch busted down the wall
Holy shit that is funny.
Aside: Wisky is going to hate being the "other red and white team."
Let the great MI v. NEB games begin!!
that Cornholes is already as annoying as using tO$U
Agreed. And also, Husker fans are actually pretty nice. And they're freaking saints compared to our couch-burning buddies in Columbus and East Lansing.
They actually cheer the opposing teams as they run onto the field. Say whatever you want, but you can't deny that their fans are classy.
Cornholers is the dumbest nickname since the female version of Spartan.
I'm from Nebraska and am a HUGE Michigan fan, but the fans here are 2nd to none we make a tunnel as the opposing teams enter the field and cheer them as they enter to the field. This is huge considering my entire family are Huskers to me this is going to one hell of a rivalry.
I appreciate your sentiment, but it won't be a rivalry. Just sayin'.
and I thought it was tUoO$...
We should probably pick up Oklahoma, USC, Florida, and Alabama while we're at it.
Good to have another great football program in the Big Ten.
We are looking forward to giving you the same warm welcome we gave Penn State!
Why not aim for Texas? They're the top "pick on the board".
Texas passes in every way but would not pass the BigTen admissions board.
How do you know they're not crazy glue sniffers? "Building model airplanes!", says the administration. Next thing you know, there's change missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times...
you're worried that Nebraska will be a bad influence on little brother?
Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.
Nebraska wants to take your corn....and eat it.
Joe Schad is quoting Osborne as saying there is a "good chance" this will happen and be announced by Friday. That is code for "this is not a done deal yet". ND is now on the clock.
but Big Ten must have reached the "magic number" of schools willing to say yes so that they could move forward with a solid "definite" school that few, if any, would have complaints about joining so as to start the clock you mention on the schools on the fence.
in this way, Nebraska can announce and leads to ND and Missouri agreeing (14 teams). however, should ND still hold out, the Big Ten is able to shore up with the backups of teams like Rutgers, 'Cuse, etc.
Basically Nebraska was the domino start-up. Big Ten most likely has shored up its bets and is ready to make shit happen.
I did the same thing for my senior prom.
Please note all of this is speculation. Including my prom comment.
I don't think going above 12 without ND or Texas is the right move. Risk watering down the league without a "knockout" on added revenue.
KC and St Louis would be a pretty nice peach, revenue-wise. Plus, though they aren't a traditional powerhouse in football, MO fans are probably as rabid as Iowa in regards to the pigskin.
Absolutely, I am sure they have the votes to approve NU. But, I also think that they really want ND and even Osborne did not say they had received and offer or were definiitely joining the B10. He said there was a "good chance". Remember, the process technically is that a school must apply and then the application is reviewed and voted on by the B10 members. It is possible B10 has told Nebraska that ND does not look like it is coming so, with that understanding, go ahead and put in an application (i.e. prepare it immediately and have the NU regents vote to submit it on Friday) and assuming no ND by Friday then it will be approved.
Also, if this does happen on Friday, I bet the B10 pauses to see what happens with B12/P10 before adding MO (assuming we still want them) or anyone else. They still want to find a way to get ND and I don't think they are worried MO is going anywhere.
Will this be included in NCAA Football '11?
Can't you reorganize conferences already?
You can't in NCAA 10. You can switch spots with another team in Dynasty mode, but not rearrange the conference itself afaik. I really hope they let you do this in 2011 (which ironically comes out in 2010; demo out next week and game out early July).
Paterno handing the big bag of cash to Bo Pelini has taken the sting out of a crappy day.
I hope Nebraska continues to improve...I think this could be a great series. At the bare minimum, we'll have a shot to get revenge (re: Ecker-gate) many, many times.
The offseason sucks, but nobody can say this one hasn't been entertaining...
Ecker-gate? If I recall correctly, he didn't PITCH THE DAMN BALL TO BREASTON!!!
Unless you are referring to the players on the field part, I guess that may qualify as a "-gate"
Even though it wasn't a direct matchup, my animosity to Nebraska arises out of the ricidiculously absurd off-the-foot-in-the-endzone catch made by Matt Davidson that led to our sharing of the national title. That punk cost us an outright national championship!
IIRC Osborne also hinted at an illness or some such BS that made everybody think he was dying. Then, he gets a split "National Championship" and next thing you know, he's fit as a fiddle and running for Congress.
Am I still bitter? Why yes I am, thanks.
Nebraska to the Big Ten (which everyone knows by now), and TCU to the Big 12 to fill the void. That's what will happen, 100% positive, I'd bet at least $20.00 on it. And that's all that will happen. No Pac-10 super-conference nonsense will happen. I guarantee it.
I could still see them taking Colorado and Utah, then BYU filling in for Colorado in the Big12.
If the Big 12 flies apart, it's due to their intransigence, greed, and arrogance. We don't need that in the Big 10.
We've been trying to get ND on board for years.
This is win.
Extremely interesting tidbit via Orangebloods:
And to complicate matters for Missouri, the Tigers appear to be falling down the list of priorities for the Big Ten.
An athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten said, "Missouri is getting cold shoulder from Big Ten."
Joe Schad of ESPN reported Wednesday that the Big Ten list of interest for expansion goes like this: 1) Notre Dame 2) Nebraska 3) Rutgers and/or Maryland.
Kill me now if we take Rutgers or Maryland. And what about Texas? If the Pac 10 won't take Baylor, they've got to be back in play, right?
Texas is not happening. Maryland at least has a basketball team as opposed to Rutgers who brings nothing.
Agreed. I think Texas kind of likes being king of its little hill. If a PAC 16 happens, Texas gets to be king of half a super conference.
Look at the BigXII, title game in Texas, headquarters in Texas, revenue heavily favoring UT. The conference is a Texas-centric one (both state and school). Texas in the Big 10 is a big fish, but it isn't a dominate fish by any stretch. In a PAC-16 scenario, Texas is king of the "East" division and can spend the regular season dominating a Texas centric eastern division.
I think Maryland is worse. If you grab Rutgers at least there's the vague hope of getting BTN on in New York. Also raiding the Big East scares Notre Dame.
Maryland gives you a vague hope of getting the BTN in the DC Market and/or the Baltimore market. It all comes down to what people things the odds are. The NYC market is the first prize, but a say 60% shot at the DC market is better than a 15% shot at the NYC market.
Plus Maryland has less work to do in terms of becoming a strong basketball school. That's really the next step for the B10. We have the football programs, the next step in sports revenue is getting ourselves a bigger slice of the basketball pie.
The other revenue question is of course federal research grants via the CIC. Maryland is close to DC and basically serves as a forward base for the rest of the conference to launch lobbying efforts form.
I agree 100% with this. Making the Big10 Network succeed will also require programming the other 8 months of the year. That means Basketball, Hockey, Baseball. Getting a good conference in basketball would be a great start. Adding a Big10 hockey conference would be another good addition for content.
once again, all of you are forgetting the real reason why Rutgers is being targetted. its is to capture the nyc market, but not to capture rutgers fans there. the big ten doesnt give two shits about the rutgers fans in the nyc area (all 6 of them). no, they care about getting all big ten alums living in the area to put pressure on local cable companies to add btn to their basic packages. the big ten doesnt need rutgers to draw their own (by own i mean scarlet knight) fans. the big ten needs rutgers so that it can leverage preexisting fans in the area.
the big 10 wants those four road games in the nyc area. and since rutgers would be in the east division, that would mean they play penn state (for sure), and either michigan or osu (maybe both), at home, at least every other year. at least one of the big tens biggest cash cows playing in the nyc area every year. now that is what the big 10 wants.
well, because texas doesnt want to join us. if texas called up jim delaney, said they wanted to join, and that they also wanted a ton of unobtainium, there would be a ton of that shit outside texas' campus tomorrow morning, along with delaney and the big ten ADs waiting to kiss the ass of any texas reps present.
now nebraska is chosen because they have a large national fanbase. they have a solid football program, great tradition, and are an AAU school. after texas and ND, they're the best realistic choice.
and suggesting fordham is just pedantic hyperbole. rutgers still somewhat fits in as a football school. it fully qualified as an academic institution. as far as trying to corner the nyc market, its the best regional choice.
but media share = money. thats what all of this realignment is based off of. a championship game would add maybe 5-10 million (very VERY generous) estimate to the conference pool. increased media share would add far more than that.
To quote Joeyb: "Texas is that cute chic at the bar you take home ... and then you notice she has 3 kids"
If we take Texas, we'd have to take at least A&M and Tech as well (maybe even Baylor, ugh). To even things out we'd need another school. That's three more mouths to feed. The Big 10 expansion plan (not the ridiculous theories spouted by speculators - what the Big 10 itself has been trying to do) has been to find one school to round out to 12. It simple math and economics - for each school we add, we need to grow our revenue by about $25 million per year. Its far more feasible with adding one school and a championship game. An increase to the footprint and and a champ game will easily add 25 million. However, if you start adding 3 or even 5 schools, you need to find 75-125 million dollars more in revenue. Good fucking luck. The only way the Big 10 can make expanding to 14 profitable is if they get all of their top picks, i.e. ND, Texas, Nebraska, without the entourage. Rutgers and Mizzou might help if we increase to 16, but really, they'd be dead weight.
So that's why Texas doesn't want us - because we can't afford to pay child support for its kids.
The only thing that is split evenly is TV contracts. Brian showed BTN was around $6mil/team and other TV was around $7mil/team.
Missouri would actually get us the markets around them. Between Kansas City and St. Louis, that's about 4.8 million people. Let's say 4 people per household, and 5 out of every 6 households have a basic cable package or better. That's 1 million subscriptions or $8.8 million extra dollars for the BTN. Add in the extra money from ABC for broadcasting 8 or so games/ year in that market and I am sure we can get up to $13 million.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that. There are still other things that come into play when you add other markets like advertising, populations in the rest of the state, and whatnot, so I think my point is still valid.
Bottom line - Texas + 3 randos makes less sense from an economic standpoint that just Rutgers.
Well, look at a map. Even with adding Nebraska, you have to pass through at least two states before reaching Texas. Adding Missouri or Kansas gets you down to one. Then, you consider that Texas won't come without A&M, probably Tech, and maybe Baylor, that's 2-4 teams that to bring you the Texas market. Now consider the teams you have to add to make them even remotely close to the Big10 and you are looking at another 2 at the minimum. It's just not worth the hassle or the extra teams to get the market.
I'm not opposed to them, I am just being realistic about it. flying in a plane to get to 4+ conference games each year is a huge hassle.
Did he say "expand into the south" or "expand south"? According to this
Missouri and Maryland are technically in the south. I know it's arbitrary, but so is pretty much every other definition.
Fair enough about the sun belt, but he also says "gaining a foothold" not conquering it. Plus, like I was pointing out and the other commenter pointed out, the other schools that we would need to take along with Texas just aren't worth it.
I would say Missouri or any on-the-border school (on the south side) gets us a foothold. You get Texas and you have stranglehold.
Like I said it's all arbitrary and who knows what he was thinking when he said that. He could have been throwing a stone into the woods for the media while they tried to massage ND into joining.
TX looks great on paper, but they are going to wreak havoc on the poor P10. They would do the same to the B10. I wanted TX initially too, but the more I thought about it we are better off with them in P10. Also, do u really want to take A&M, TTU, OK, Okla St and Baylor? Because that appears to be the price.
but TX and her five ugly sisters, NFW. Here is what is going to happen. They are effectively taking the entire B12 South (unless Baylor gets dropped for CO). TX will dominate that division and will constantly try to bully the conference and threaten to take its marbles and go home if it does not get its own way. We do not need that headache in the B10, especially if it means we have to split the money with the 5 other teams they insist we take to get them. ND is a pain in the ass, but it will be very hard for them to bully anyone.
And what about Texas? If the Pac 10 won't take Baylor, they've got to be back in play, right?
Patience, patience... Delaney's got this shit figured out.
I don't think anyone knows what the Big Ten is thinking. All the leaks that have seemed to have any basis in reality have come from the Big 12. I would doubt any Big Ten news that doesn't have a direct connection to the Big 12 at this point.
why on earth would we want the near bottom of the Big East, Rutgers or Maryland?? Especially if Mizzou doesn't make the cut. Should get Pitt or maybe even Virginia with its great academics and location.
I must have missed something, but what happened to Pitt? I know it wouldn't help extend the Big Ten territory, but I thought they were a good fit. I would prefer them over Rutgers and Maryland. Anyone else agree?
it it would agree to move closer to NYC:
You said it yourself:
I know it wouldn't help extend the Big Ten territory
It's all about money, and expansion without expanding the footprint means less money for everyone.
Well said. I wonder why they were brought up earlier in the discussion though.
When Pitt was being talked about heavily we were in the round of 64, maybe even the play-in-game, now I would say we are in the middle of the sweet 16. We are all starting to get a better picture of all of this as it comes together.
can someone explain to me when this would go into effect for scheduling/games?
would Michigan be playing Nebraska as early as September or would they wait a season?
they'd have to wait a season to get all the schedule changes done and get all the little things, and I'd probably guess some bigger things, in place
I've read many places that 2012 is when we would see changes. This makes sense considering we have already finished our schedule for 2011.
no earlier than 2011. I believe if they wanted to make this happen in 2011 it is possible but would probably cost $ in broken contracts etc. Off the top of my head, when the ACC raided the Big East in 2003, I don't think they were integrated into the conference until 2005.
Nebraska vs. Michigan
Nebraska vs. OSU
Nebraska vs. PSU
To a Michigan fan first, Big Ten fan 2nd, those look like some great games
Nebraska v Penn State is another contrived rivalry for the sell out Penn State. Why don't they still schedule Pitt or WVU... Because they are a bunch of pussies! Eat that Paterno!
Penn State robbed Nebraska of a perfect season in 1982 with the help of a terrible officiating call, then went on to win the national championship; in 1994, Nebraska claimed both national titles despite Penn State's 11-0 (8-0) undefeated season, their second in the Big Ten.
Nebraska vs. Iowa
would be a pretty big tilt too; Toss in a pretty solid Wisconsin and Nebraska is going to be black and blue by the end of the season...
maryland? that's a new name. fits the profile though. big research institution, academics comparable to some BT schools. location's a bit off though.
Welcome (if this is true) to the B10 Nebraska. I think this is a great get for the conference. I still would like to see 14, but if this is our 12 I'm cool with it. I wouldn't mind still adding Texas and Mizzou for 14 though.
In the words of an icon, "To hell with Notre Dame."
On the ND part, especially.
I would love it if the Big Ten stiffed ND. They spent years looking down their nose at the Big Ten and declining to join, while scheduling 3 or 4 Big Ten teams. I would love it if they missed the money train that is the BTN and had to take years of crappy records to try to re-up with NBC - who may not want them. Delaney should just play the clip of Bo saying "To hell with Notre Dame."
your college football history and tradition will be appreciated around here... even though you haven't sniffed a national title since 1995.
But they got down on their knees (not to pray) and stole a partial National Championship in 1997...
Ok... gotta go take a shower - I just feel soiled.
Sure, but it is tilted to the East, IME.
If it stays at 12 we probably won't be playing Neb all that often, but at least we'll be playing them some of the time.
That looks pretty good. Football only though. Hey, any chance we can get their hockey team and start a B10 hockey conference?
Put NW in the same division as ILL and PUR in the same division as IND, that way all the last week rivalry games are in the same division.
I don't know why it has to be geographical, but the East is stacked for both football and basketball. I think the intent is to have a balance spread of teams in each division. I don't know if geography will play in the splitting of divisions.
A: UM, OSU, MSU, Minn, Wisc, NW
B: Neb, PSU, Ind, ILL, Iowa, Pur
Just a thought, but I don't know if there is a perfect solution.
No need to split other sports into divisions.
SEC basketball is the only other conference sport to split into divisions, and there's talk they'll abandon that.
W: Neb, Wis, Min, Iowa, Ill, and NW
E: UM, OSU, PSU,MSU, Ind, Pur
NW is west of Purdue.
If they stay at 12, what happens to the UM/OSU game? It would be rough to play "the Game" then a Champ. game the following week.
The East is stronger in this scenario, and if ND and Mizzou join, ND would be East and Mizzou would be West, further strengthening the East.
No other way to do it, in my opinion. Indiana-Purdue must play every year, so this is the only way to keep all the essential rivalry games intra-division.
Nebraska-Iowa-Wisconsin is a pretty strong group.
Need some help with naming the divisions...
Original 6 (out of 7): ILL, UM, NW, PUR, WIS, MINN
1899 and beyond: PSU, NEB, OSU, MSU, IND, IOWA
John U. Bacon is disappointed in your use of the word 'ironic'.
Funny and plus 1, but too soon.
Hope this goes through that would be awesome. Since I'm from and live in NE i can now see UM play in lincoln and watch the huskers lack of offense and UM's pretty bad defense battle it out.
Go blue...and Big red
I'm sitting there with you, this is going to be an awesome match up between UM and UNL I live in Omaha and always keep hearing how Nebraska is better just pisses me off. This game can't come soon enough!
because it strengthens a West division considerably, allowing Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State to stay together in an East division.
It is also very smart as an incremental step, positioning the Big Ten well for expansion to 14 or 16, with Missouri and Kansas in the West and Pittsburgh and Syracuse or Notre Dame in the East.
Watching Sportscenter right now. The dude from orangebloods.com is being interviewed, and he said not only is Nebraska going to the Big10, the Texas AD and president told all of the coaches that "they tried to save the Big12 and failed," and that it looks like the move to the Pac 10 for the 6 other schools is happening.
Also, the bottom line is saying that it's being reported by Fox Sports Ohio that a formal invite is being tendered to Nebraska.
Is the 6th team Baylor or Colorado?
They were saying Colorado. I read something else that said that Colorado may jump anyways, to force their way in and not have Baylor trump them.
The Pac 10 really will want an annual Arizona-Colorado rivalry game.
Southwest division: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
The real beauty of this, however, is that it restores the original Pac-8 in its own Coastal division. I think it will happen.
It would be interesting if they call the divisions the Pac-8 and the Big-8.
So, uh, I don't remember this being asked or answered anywhere, but once this all goes down, when exactly does it all ACTUALLY happen?
I assume the Big 12 will exist at least through next year, so when does the actual realignment happen?
Just in time for the world to end. I think Nostradamus predicted that super-conferences would bring down the end of the world.
They built pyramids for coaches
Note that the Big Ten plays musical chairs again after this season, so it would be a good time to shake up the schedules. I would really like to see a 9-game conference schedule (so we're still only missing two per year), but that could take a few years to work in, because of existing commitments. But you could start with 8 games and then go to 9 when everyone can do it.
I just don't want to get too excited here.
Too soon. Too soon.
hahahaha weee goottt suuhhhh
While not UT, this is a great add for the conference. A traditional power, that UM definitely has history with.
How great will it be the first time the Maize and Blue invade Lincoln or when the Blackshirts make their first trip to AA.
I cannot wait!!
I like Nebraska a lot. Next to ND, Nebraska was the next logical fit to the whole "Big 10" football image.
I have a question. When would we something like this take affect, where schedules start reflecting the conference change? Obviously not this year and probably not next year. The year after next?
Big year on the horizon, IMHO!
I heard 2011, but probably no later than 2012. The Big 10 would give Nebraska a full share in the BTN to offset their penalty for leaving the Big 12.
I like Maryland over Rutgers. More sports history at Maryland, still very solid footprint to add, since DC will also be added. What people forget is that so many NYers are already Big Ten fans, and adding Rutgers won't help much. Maryland-DC is a region less filled with Big Ten fans, so adding it will be big.
I'm personally hoping with Nebraska we pick up Pitt (as a natural fit within the Big Twelve-ten) and use that as leverage to scoop up ND, then grab Mizzou and an as yet undetermined 16th team. Alternately, abandon Mizzour and 16th team, and stay with 14 instead.
Edit: With Colorado likely getting the boot from the Pac-10's expansion plans, grabbing them seems like an intelligent move.
So is texas to Pac 10 official? I def want texas in the Big 10
but while Texas is the gold standard, Tech, A&M, and Baylor are not at all desirable. I think they were a package.
Somewhere, KoB just pissed himself.
Why did I click on your link? Now that GD song is gonna be in my head the rest of the week!
Catchy little jam though! Breakout the OR -E-GAN-O!!
Why was BC never in play? do they really have any serious ties to the BE? They have a decent BB program, decent football would draw more interest from ND and are still right there in a pretty sizeable media market?
... welcome, welcome...
Prepare to see this tailgating when the Cornhuskers travel upto Ann Arbor......
This is a great addition to a conference in need of a spark. It sucks that, without a championship game in December, the Big 10 gets forgotten when it comes time for rankings and bowl selection. Not to mention Nebraska is a team on the rise and will provide many more classic games for the Maize and Blue to win!
the folks that are content with just adding Nebraska & simultaneously giving ND the middle finger. I HATE the fact that they thumb their nose at our conference, lauding their independent status...all while playing our teams. I know it's more wishful thinking than anything, but I'd LOVE IT if we expanded without them & then prohibited any Big Ten team from playing them. Let their sorry asses flail in the wind by playing all of the service academies, the Coast Guard & Cub Scout Troop #13....with the usual beatdown at the hands of USC. See how they like those apples...
I really don't want a B10(12?) championship game
This definitely leads to a championship game.
I think they have to find a better way to make the divisions than east west. Either Penn St., Michigan, or Ohio St. needs to be with Nebraska otherwise the league is making the same mistake the Big 12 made for years with one division that dominates the other. Sure Iowa is good now, but you have to look at how these teams will perform year in and year out for twenty years. I say put the rivals together but make no attempt to worry about geography. Anything else makes a lame championship game too risky. It's embarrassing to send a 9-4 team to your BCS bowl.
1) Ohio St., Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern
2) Penn St., Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan St.
But u said that they should keep rivalries together then u put Michigan and MSU on different sides
Is Nebraska going to be added to the schedule once they are "officially in?" Would we have to reform our current schedules or will they stay in the Big 12 for another year and redo next years schedules?
... getting their new stadium seating ready:
So assuming Michigan and Nebraska play in the same division, do they use their National Championship trophies for a rivalry? I can see that being really awesome. Also, first post, long time lurker.