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It was looking ok until Denard went out and our defense decided to implode and Bellomy couldn't make a throw to save his life.  Commence the bitching.  Oh, and the refs where all around the worst I've seen this year both ways.  Whisky time....

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Wtf (Score:5 Normal)
RyWolverine
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WHAT. THE. FUCK!!!!!

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:54 PM | Neg away but I'm beginning to (Score:5 Normal)
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Neg away, but this comes as the result of not one, but now three important games.  It is not just a product of the steaming pile of offense we witnessed today.  I'm beginning to wonder if we aren't getting a little reverse RichRod here.  Now we have a coach who focuses completely on defense and allows the coordinator on the opposite side of the ball unbridled control, and the results are awful. 

THAT MADE 12 STRAIGHT QUARTERS UM hasn't scored a touchdown vs quality/key opponents (ND/MSU/Neb), 10 of which involved a senior all-world QB at the helm.  The other two?  Watching the Bellomy offense gave me Sheridan/Threet flashbacks.  How could Borges have him this unprepared knowing the propensity for Denard to get injured?

I look at the 3/4/5 stars on OSU's offense and compare them to our offense and there really isn't that much disparity.  Yet they dropped over 60 on Nebraska and we couldn't even find one lousy TD...  I look at the offensive talent on an Arizon team and they find a way to drop 38 on USC.  But not one effing TD in 12 quarters?

Borges HAS to be in the doghouse.  All we hear is how he's such a champ for patchworking the offense without the pro-style parts he needs, but to have it be this inept?  To have Bellomy this unprepared?  To have so little gameplan? 

I still have hope, but what I lost this game was confidence in Borges that was already waning.  Now I'm dubious about our offense for the future, with or without Denard.

Blah blah recruits read this board, whatever.  Borges deserves heat.  12 quarters, count them, 12.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:55 PM | Lost faith in Borges (Score:5 Normal)
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I have seen no evidence that Borges deserves our faith. This offense continues to regress, and I am not even referring to the Bellomy fiasco. Your reference to reverse RichRod is accurate in my opinion.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:40 AM | If you are critical of Al (Score:4 Normal)
NYC Blue
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If you are critical of Al Borges, I would like to ask one question.  Of the following:

Al Borges

Rich Rodriguez

Mike Debord

Stan Parrish

Are there any that you would classify as good coaches? 

My point is simply that I do not recall the last OC at Michigan that was NOT criticized.  It is simply not possible that they are all incompetent (well, I suppose it is possible, but unlikely). 

Maybe we are putting too much blame on our coaches-- or setting expectiations that are simply unachievable.

(a flamebait tag? really? that's pretty funny)

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 4:38 AM | Almost anybody would say that (Score:5 Normal)
Gorgeous Borges
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Almost anybody would say that Rich Rodriguez is a good offensive coach. It was everything else that was the problem.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:53 AM | Just throwing this out there (Score:1 Normal)
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Just throwing this out there as a question for anyone: do you think that he would fair better with players he specifically recruited? ie drop back passers at QB, bruisers at HB, and 6'3" big targets at WR?

I think it had more to do with play calling which definitely warrants some scrutiny to him. In the past I have felt that he's just not comfortable with his personnel, but recent games (Alabama, MSU, ND, and to a certain extent even Iowa last year) have made me believe that he's just not a great play caller in general.

"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:06 AM | Bellomy WAS recruited by (Score:4 Normal)
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Bellomy WAS recruited by Borges.  So he has a QB on the roster that he wanted. 

Jon Runyan plugged my toilet.

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:55 AM | I don't want to rip on (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't want to rip on Bellomy right now. But I think he was a last second option just to get QB on the roster. If we didnt' get him we'd only have 2 scholarship QB's on the team.

You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:52 PM | Let's get a little perspective (Score:0 Normal)
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We're still in 1st place in the division

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | No, we're tied for 1st (Score:4 Normal)
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And Nebraska has the tiebraker.  Which technically makes us second.

Hot dogs are the devil.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:03 AM | I  care not for asteriskses. (Score:3 Normal)
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I  care not for asteriskses.  Sparty will take care of corn next week and we'll be back in control

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | We're still in 1st place in (Score:2)
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We're still in 1st place in the division

Not really. Tiebreakers my friend... we no longer control our own destiny.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:19 PM | BEAT MINNESOTA (Score:5 Normal)
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BEAT MINNESOTA

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:19 PM | I feel cheated (Score:5 Normal)
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With Denard going out of the game. Like in high school when you making out and take her bra off just to find tissue. Yah that's how this game felt

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:34 PM | I could have used the tissues (Score:5 Normal)
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I could have used the tissues while watching this game.

 

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | Not upset at the defense at (Score:5 Normal)
SteelBrad
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Not upset at the defense at all.

Forever For Michigan

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:30 PM | agree (Score:5 Normal)
snowcrash
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The defense was not the problem today. They had one bad sequence in the first 3 quarters. They seemed to mentally check out of the game after Bellomy threw that pick right after we got the ball back, but at that point we were basically done anyway.

If we still had Tate Forcier (who would have been a senior) I think we would have won this game.

 

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:44 PM | WOW hadn't thought about the (Score:5 Normal)
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WOW hadn't thought about the FORCIER angle.  Geez.  

Let's face it; we had to know (with all the carries Denard gets) Bellomy would have to see some time at some point.  BEAT OSU!

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October 28th, 2012 at 3:50 AM | We're pining away for (Score:4 Normal)
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We're pining away for Forcier?  Wow

What hurt us this season as well was Stonum being a dummy.  Had he been around we would have had a deep threat at WR and maybe Gardner would have been able to stay at QB.

But college kids gonna college kid, and Tate and Stonum are gone.

Right now let's rest Denard's arm, we can beat Minnesota w/o him.  I think.  Get him healthy for NW, Iowa, and Ohio.

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:16 AM | How in the hell are we (Score:1 Normal)
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How in the hell are we beating Minnsota without Denard ? I know Sheridan didit but this Minnesoa tam is better and i all honesty Sheridan looked more in control than Bellomy

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:25 AM | Well, we have a defense now. (Score:4 Normal)
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Well, we have a defense now.

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:57 AM | How could you be all season?!? (Score:5 Normal)
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How could you possibly blame the defense ever at all once this season? Alabama? We forced a three and out on the first drive and played very well until half our offense played absolutely horrible all day. Notre Dame? How many times did our defense save our asses? And not just save it forcing field goals when Denard threw another int that was returned to their side of the field? 5 turnovers (maybe more?) and they only beat us by one touchdown. That game should have been a blowout yet our offense had 2 drives where it should have at least been OT. We just fumbled there.

Nebraska? We had some bad calls (the ground causing that fumble/int and the first replayed call on the made catch that went back) and it was still close for much of the game. Denard had some good passes today in tight coverage. Can't possibly ask this Defense to do more. They can't be on the field this much. We had BAD calls o offense all night and the defense can't possibly do more in any game. Yes Alabama scored a lot but with any kind of offense it's a close game, ND we win, Nebraska we win.

Never have been a big Denard guy but last year and this year combined he's beaten al Big Ten schools we should beat (convincingly I might add) and ND, MSU and OSU. He hasn't improved any this year vs last year and the pays don't help him. You want him to throw more yet call zone read for every run? Gimmie a break. Our offense isn't good enough to win out much less OSU and we can't expect more from our defense..

Closing I'd like to say I prefer this over Rich Rod. I'd rather lose 6-13, 9-24 or whatever than 60-75. Yes he beat USC which is more than he could do at Michigan in 3 years. Hoke knows more about Offense than Rod knows about Defense but we need a decent/good offense and we'll be a serious threat.

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:09 AM | I approve this message: (Score:1)
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"Closing I'd like to say I prefer this over Rich Rod. I'd rather lose 6-13, 9-24 or whatever than 60-75. Yes he beat USC which is more than he could do at Michigan in 3 years. Hoke knows more about Offense than Rod knows about Defense but we need a decent/good offense and we'll be a serious threat."

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | 2 straight games without a (Score:-1 Trolling)
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2 straight games without a touchdown. Heads need to roll. Starting with our Oline coach.. Worst UM Oline I have ever seen.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:21 PM | Did you just start watching (Score:5 Normal)
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Did you just start watching this year?

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Nope (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Nope

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:46 PM | Was "Boogereater1"  already (Score:5 Normal)
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Was "Boogereater1"  already taken????

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:41 AM | I got a great yuck out of this post and, believe me, (Score:3 Normal)
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I needed one after last night.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Nope (Score:-1 Normal)
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Nope

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:26 PM | The oline (Score:5 Normal)
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The oline played pretty well when you consider the fact that Nebraska blitzed Bellomy on every single play

Hail! to the Victors Valiant Hail!

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:36 PM | He's telling the truth when (Score:5 Normal)
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He's telling the truth when he says no.  He hasn't been watching this year either.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | you have a very (Score:5 Normal)
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short memory

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Speaking of heads rolling, (Score:5 Normal)
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Speaking of heads rolling, I'd be all for banhammering this jackass.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:56 PM | Just ignore him (Score:4 Normal)
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He's being a moron on purpose, just to get himself into TWIS.

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:04 AM | Word (Score:2)
TIMMMAAY
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Minimum point threshold needs to be implemented now...

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:24 PM | Remember people: Don't drink (Score:3 Normal)
wlubd
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Remember people: Don't drink and post.

 

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:39 PM | I disagree. I was driven to (Score:3 Normal)
MilkSteak
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I disagree. I was driven to drinking heavily after third down and even I know that the o-line play was fine given that Nebraska brought at least 6-7 guys every play. Tough game for everyone on the field.

"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:42 AM | I might not go as far as "fine," considering (Score:1)
MGlobules
Joined: 11/17/2008
MGoPoints: 5161

that we can't spring our backs, but yeah he was over the top.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:25 PM | While I disagree with part of (Score:4 Normal)
orobs
Joined: 10/03/2010
MGoPoints: 1729

While I disagree with part of that statement, there is no excuse for not being able to score a touchdown against this Nebraska defense. With one quarter of denard or 3 quarters of anyone

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:42 PM | Oline didn't look bad (Score:1 Normal)
the unsilent ma...
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but I bet their kidneys are sore.  I swear to God Fitz cannot see anymore.  I spent most of the game rewinding and slow-motioning trying to figure out what the f he was looking at.   

I was all for allowing Fitz to get into a rythm, but that time has passed.  He is just not seeing things well at all.  I'll recant and align myself with those calling for a little more Rawls.  I hope we're not being Lloyd Carr loyal/stubborn in sticking with Fitz.

And I'll say it again: Vinson Smith is 175 pounds of determination

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:45 PM | O line didn't look bad.  But (Score:4 Normal)
orobs
Joined: 10/03/2010
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O line didn't look bad.  But the quarterbacks, running backs and wide receivers looked awful

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:49 PM | Pass Protection (Score:1)
thevictors51
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Pass protection was good, but the run blocking still isnt there yet. I know the running backs are part of the problem but the holes are either not there or there is an unblocked linebacker waiting in them.

OHiO = O How iHate Ohio State

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:00 AM | Who the hell is Vinson Smith? (Score:2 Normal)
Yo_Blue
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I was going to try to write something clever but that is just too damn careless or ignorant - take your pick.

Should we point instead of fist pump during the Victors?

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:24 AM | OLine didn't look bad? (Score:1)
D.C.Blue
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Wtf were you watching. OLine couldn't pick up a blitz package to save their lives. Can't open a hole. At some point, it has to become a pride thing. Doesn't help that every running play is a race to the short side of the field. Really piss poor play calling and no push on the OLine. Base package pass pro is the only thing our OLine can do competently. Throw in a blitzing linebacker or I don't know, anyone other than the front 3 - 4 DLine and we leak like a submarine with a screen door.

"I'll make ya famous!"

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:45 AM | Vincent (Score:1)
the unsilent ma...
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Iphone... bar... drinking... drunk... PISSED OFF

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:44 AM | Huh. (Score:1)
MGlobules
Joined: 11/17/2008
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And again, huh. 

Or better--huh?

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | Defense? (Score:2 Normal)
MN Go Blue
Joined: 02/23/2012
MGoPoints: 224

I would say they played just fine.  Bad drive in the first half, but once Denard went down they were out there a ton.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:20 PM | Our defense did not implode. (Score:5 Normal)
The2nd_JEH
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MGoPoints: 390

Our defense did not implode. Held them to field goals after being on the field ALL 2nd half pretty much and finally gave up a TD. Our defense was solid. Not the best, but definitely did not implode.

HEY! You there!

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:24 PM | And the one TD came on a (Score:4 Normal)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 4703

And the one TD came on a drive that started in our territory.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:25 PM | So the defense gives up 16 (Score:-1 Overrated)
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So the defense gives up 16 second half points and lets Nebraska essentially the last 5 minutes off the clock with shoddy tackling but they didn't implode?  I'm not saying we have a bad defense, I'm saying that they seemed to lose heart when Denard went out and our offense exploded.  You can bitch about Borges but what would have worked?  Running from the shot gun is disadventageous without the extra blocker and Bellomy looked horrible throwing the ball all night long.  I'm just disappointed that Michigan looked unprepared offensively beyond Denard and it probably cost us a title.

Hail to the Victors!

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