New MSU sign is so precise..
That's one fancy sign to fuck up. Won't be cheap to get that corrected.
(edit: oops, MGoBender beat me to it!)
It's what the sign means
HAH! Massive outloud LOL over here on this one. Well played.
there is huge difference between a cheap recruiting photoshop and a permanent display. I am guessing the permanent display had to pass through multiple levels of approval before it got made.
For instance, Florida fixed this one before someone hung it on the wall:
maizeNblueisGREEN has -8 MGoPoints and has been down-voted -7 points with his post today. What color is the sky in his world?
then mock them at will
EDIT: eh, mock now...
In some bizarre numerical language, 68-33-5 means "Mock Sparty at will."
Don't tell them.
That is the most MSU sign ever.
They purposely did that so we would make fun of them so then they can hate us for something new. MSU logic.
I can't wait until they regress back to the mean.
Honestly how long can they keep playing up this underdog mentality?
My thoughts and emotions are right on board with yours. My pessimistic reluctant realist whispers 'until f@#$ing Dantonio leaves'. My optimistic pessimist says 'until Narduzzi takes the HC job he should have taken some time ago'.
You'll be disapointed in what the future brings. MSU has very technically sound players, and regardless of someone's pure strength, technique will almost always give you a more important and significant advantage. MSU does have good technique, and it pays dividends with their success on the field.
On top of that, most have accepted that Bullough wasn't caught for roids, but more likely for improper use of pain killers.
Why can't we just beat them? That is the only way they will regress. They won't do it on their own. You don't regress after winning two big ten titles, a rose bowl, and recruiting better than ever while only losing to your instate rival once since 2007.
We had fucking -48 rushing yards against them last year. And people on here still talk about them regressing. They're almost as annoying as actual staee fans.
That being said, that's a nice expensive mistake on that sign.
You're right, but people want easy answers. And the easiest of all is the idea that State will regress just because they're State. You'd better hope nobody actually in the program actually has this attitude, because things will never change if they do.
Their recruiting is about the same as it was in 2009 or 2010. This year they just have Scott who's a 4 star. Last year it was just McDowell and Nicholson and a few other 3/4 splits. Looking at their 2009/2010 classes it's almost identical.
Uh last I saw they were battling with Oregon for a recruit. Never in my life did I think ANYrecruit would be deciding between MSU and Oregon. They've also been battling with ND and OSU more often.
Plus I'd say what they were doing was working just fine compared to us.
They were battling with Michigan, ND, and Ohio for Gholston and Lawrence Thomas in 2009/2010. If you look up their class on rivals they have 1 4 star and 10 3 stars. Like I said, Michigan and PSU haven't been good at all recently. If they can maintain their level when those two schools inevidently get better then they get all the respect from me.
Their recruiting is not better than ever. Look at their recruiting from before Dantonio got there. MSU has always been able to land a handful of decent recruits.
I think the biggest thing has been having program stability from coaches and having capable coaches.
Northwestern would be another good example of this.
While it doesn't always improve a program, having stability in coaching certainly helps. MSU had growing pains when Dantonio first started at MSU but he redshirted a lot of his first recruits and continues to while playing mostly established upperclassmen in a system that those 3 stars have been in their whole career.
You could argue that a 3 star as a RS Junior in an established program is on the same playing field as a 4 star RS Junior or true senior in a program that has gone through one or more coaching changes over his career.
Talent is one thing, understanding your position and doing it without thinking has many benefits to being able to play to your potential.
They will probably be good until Narduzzi leaves
It's not so much a question of them regressing as one of the historically elite teams in the conference not performing to their expectations. The entire conference has regressed as a result of the shift in demographics of the country from the Midwest to the South. This coupled with coaching instability has hit Nebraska, Penn State, and Michigan the hardest. Ohio State has been able to tread water because Ohio is still a hotbed of football talent. The other programs that have weathered this the best is Wisconsin and MSU, and it's questionable how well Wisconsin will be able to maintain it's position within the conference given their recent coaching woes.
You take these 11-2, 12-1 Dantonio teams and drop them into the Big 10 of the 80's and 90's and they'd fare no better than the best squads that Perles and Saban fielded. The conference is simply not as good as it used to be 10 years ago and MSU has stepped into the void to give the appearance that Dantonio has built an elite program, but it's an illusion. There's a reason that the most knowledgeable Spartan faithful were clamoring to have MSU aligned in the West Division during the last conference expansion. Anyone with any sense knows that once Michigan and Penn State start performing like themselves again, suddenly MSU is not going to be a regular player in the conference championship because they simply don't have the horses to compete year-to-year with OSU, MIchigan, and PSU.
MSU isn't going to regress to Bobby Williams / JLS levels with Dantonio at the helm, but this idea that his coaching acumen is the key to their closing the talent gap with the elite teams of the conference is ridiculous. If Dantonio was really that much of a coaching guru, other programs with deeper pockets would've come sniffing around, and from I can tell that has never happened.
And what happens if they win 11 games again and beat us in the process? Will you continue to make excuses for this program?
Where did I make any excuses for this program? If anything, I did the opposite. The point I was making is that MSU's rise is directly proportional to Michigan's (and the Big 10's) fall. My point I was making is that we should be expecting less a regression from State then a return to expectations for Michigan and under those conditions, you're going to see Dantonio's record against Michigan and the conference drop to something more consistent with history.
Bottom line, history shows that when Michigan has it's act together as a program, MSU loses more than they win against us. This notion that Dantonio is somehow going to buck that trend should Michigan become resurgent because the program he's built is that much better than Saban's or Perles' is ridiculous. Now that said, it's still up to Hoke and the rest of the staff to see that it happens. They're getting paid a handsome sum to make it happen, and if it doesn't....well they won't be around very long.
Whether or not we beat MSU this year or they go on to another 11 win season doesn't change the point of my argument...but it definitely wasn't to make excuses for Michigan.
So, the game against #5 Stanford meant the Pac-10 was down, too?
You might want to check out this article:
No, it just proves that every 30 years or so the stars align and MSU has a great season and goes and wins the Rose Bowl.
Let me try this again.
- The Big 10 as a conference has been regressing relative to the rest of college football over the past 6-8 years
- The biggest beneficiary of this over that period has been MSU because Dantonio took that program from absolute tire fire to good
- This does not mean that Dantonio has made MSU an elite program. Their season last year was, but is that performance on outlier or the norm?
- I think it's the latter because past history and stats bear this out (i.e. Recruiting stars matter and MSU loses more to Michigan when it's managed competently for that reason)
- It is still incumbent upon Hoke and Co. to get this squad to start performing to their expectations. If they do, then suddenly MSU won't seem like such world beaters because I don't think Dantonio and his braintrust are that much smarter than the rest of the staffs in the conference.
- Dantonio can prove me wrong by continuing to beat Michigan, OSU, and PSU on a consistent basis over the next few seasons and making some more Rose Bowls, playoffs, etc. Until then, I'm going to remain a skeptic as to how good MSU really is.
I really don't understand the pessimism around here that because MSU had one great season that suddenly they've become Big 10 Alabama in eveyrone's mind. Dantonio has built an upper tier Big 10 program, but they are far from being in a position to dominate year-to-year.
Oh, I love this. But I will love it more if we beat them.
Fact checking in 2014 is definitely underrated.
or spell-checking b/c you know, spelling...
Actually you can technically be precise without being accurate
And if you're in Columbus you just poop into a rectangular cooler. Accurately AND precisely.
is thare sumthing rong with teh speling in that sine? I dont sea it
Knot at awl
While cheesy, is there a grammar error of which I was made aware?
You mean besides the lack of punctuation and the curious use of the word "whereas"?
Except in legalese, whereas means "in contrast with the fact that," so it really makes no sense here at all. I would have expected "that": "be warned that beyond this door lie the Spartans".
What's funny about the use of whereas is that it's a bit of a high-falutin' word, and they screwed it up!
Like this would be funnier after we beat them.
That doesn't mean it isn't still funny.
You had one job?
State fans are still wondering what's wrong
Well isn't this poetic
how accurately centered the text is. It almost makes a person think that adding one letter might just throw everything off... So, you know, it wouldn't appear accurate anymore.
It's terrible being ranked #8 in a pre-season ESPN poll.
They are running low on the disrespect card so the best I can gather from their people to try to keep it going are:
a) Oregon opened 13 pt favorite - massive lack of respect since we are better than Stanford and Stanford beat Oregon
b) How dare people put OSU ahead of us, we beat OSU last year.
Look I am on the side of the board that the people who think State regresses while Dantonio are there are as willfully ignorant as those who believe UM basketball is going back to the dark ages while Beilein is here. Neither is happening. But the level of "pride before the fall" in their camp is quite high for a team that could not win one conf game at home 2 years ago. And you can still have excellent coaching and have a 8-9 win season, rather than 11 if the schedule is tough and you suffer some key injuries. But if last year didnt show you a totally different attitude over there I dont know what will convince people - they were down to both OSU and Stanford in the 2nd halves, faced turmoil that used to cause Sparty to turn into fetal position, and punched back hard and won both those games. That is a very different mentality than the one they carried for 4 decades.
As for recruiting I'd encourage everyone to go look at their "40th" ranked classes of 2010 and 2011 player by player; it is very impressive what they generated out of those classes. Even as an opponent who doesnt live and breath that program you will recognize 60-70% of the players as top line starters for them. So they are at the point with their recruiting in fball that we are with bball. If Dantonio brings a 3 star recruit out of Idaho they just do the parallel of "Caris" just as we do with MAAR or Dawkins. They deserve the right until proven otherwise to believe so and they are beginning to get some nice players on offense - Larry Scott is 1, the WR they just got from 2016, and they just landed a DB out of FL yesterday who is "3 stars" but Alabama and a few other teams in the South were after.
It'll be interesting to see how they transition from being the disrespected doormat to respected contender. Its a completely different mindset to transition to.
Are schools doing this on purpose, or are AD's really this dumb? How many different schools have we seen in the last few months (UM included) with really obvious and glaring typos in public communications? I mean jeez, these schools could probably save 100k by hiring the local 5th grade spelling bee winner to proofread all their public communications.
I highly doubt the AD's are the people responsible for checking ac(c)uracy of these types of things. There are plenty of other people in the departments to handle that type of work. It doesn't excuse it, but they are not the people to blame.
I think this sign acurately sums up the challenges MSU will face this year. Say what you want about the underdog mentality but one can't argue that it isn't acurate. In fact, it is more acurate than Connor Cook. If anyone wants to dispute the acuracy of my post feel free to give it a try. Be sure to put together a clear, concise, acurate argument and don't forget to spell check.
I feel like "whereas" is used oddly too. Can I get a simple "because?"
"Whereas" is used incorrectly.
Too many words for Sparty in this sign. Probably some weird guys wrote it while their best sign makers are injured.
Because of that word, the most natural reading of the sign is "you will feel our resolve and we will be a thorn in your side, unlike the Spartans who lie beyond this door."
You know what, I'm just gonna put this out there: aside from the spelling error, I like the sign, I think it's pretty cool, gets me amped up, and I'm sure the players feel the same way. Can't make fun of everything about MSU.
Don't get amped reading Sparty amping stuff, man.
A few years ago, an issue of the MSU Alumni Association magazine had an "its/it's" mistake ON THE COVER!
You know, reading this sign, the only conclusion that comes to mind is, "Well, nearly accurate passes anyway...I mean, definitely within reasonable reach." Also, this could easily be broken up into a few sentences and the message might even be that much more digestable and acurate. Other than that, it gives me a headache to read it.
With signs in their new locker room:
First line of the Eleven Warriors piece? "Do they even teach English at Michigan State?"
Fair question, Eleven Warriors. Fair question.
"Those who have written us off..."
Uh, you're preseason top ten. The "no respect" card isn't really a great play here, unless of course you have a deep sense of inferiority that no amount of wins can fix.
I'm heartily sick of the whole little brother crap, but it's almost like that schtick is all they've got.
Without us they'd have nothing to inspire them or play for. I'm not sure if I'm flattered or annoyed.
That and a Rose Bowl trophy.
Exactly - trophy, not trophies.
It's a point I hammer at constantly: college athletes take to the disrespect thing like the fat kid at the donut buffet. They want to be disrespected. All you have to do to motivate them is tell them nobody believes in them, because it's exactly what they want to hear to get themselves fired up.
Ugh didn't anyone ever teach OP the difference between acuracy and precsion?
People need to stop saying this! The term "precision" has multiple meanings, only one of which is the closeness of measured values to each other. The OP is using the term here to mean "exact, accurate, and careful about details," which is appropriate.
Bruce! Look up at the sky, it's the joke signal! Quick, change into your suit and start taking jokes too seriously, you're our only hope!
This kind of error isn't hard to make when you're more focused on graphic style and layout instead of the words. Which is precisely why you bring in fresh eyes to check everything. Either they didn't do that, or everyone who checked it for acuracy blew it. Sparty no.
The University of Michigan Staee.
About this beating them thing. I was playing tennis this weekend for the first time in 3 years andof course I blew, but I couldn't help but get pissed when I wasn't playing at a certain level I expected of myself. I was genuinely getting upset. Illogical given the circumstances, but nonetheless.
But in Hoke's case it isn't illogical. This logical feeling of inner-rage is what I want from this coaching staff and players. The RichRod dip is over. Year four man. 1-2 vs State and 1-2 vs Ohio.
Michigan is the all time winningest program because we don't settle for less than excellence, and when there isn't excellence, THERE SHOULD BE RAGE. Quiet, inner rage of course, but the kind that manifests itself with a coaching staff with blinders about how to overcome Narduzzi's defense and Urbz's offense.
Is Hoke just too nice a guy to be the ruthless alpha coach of this league that Bo was after unseating Woody?
I just don't know if Brady has the atitude, and this year will give us the answer.
If it was just feeling disrespected or upset at not doing well UM should have beaten OSU by 20 one of these years. And we should have put a lot better display on the field last year vs MSU. We are 2-10 and 1-5 respectively versus those 2 of late... if anyone should be ANGAR it should be us.
They did go 7-6 in 2012. I don't think they'll go back to JLS and be 4-8 every year but it's ridiculous to think that they'll go 10-2 or 11-1 every year in the future. They'll have to play an improved PSU and Michigan every year from their current state. Their schedule was pretty weak in their two big ten title seasons. I see them as a 8-4/9-3 type team unless PSU and Michigan are still godawful or Ohio takes a nosedive.
at the bottom could be used for a safe sex ad. It looks kind of like a penis with a condom covering the head.
I'm not seeing that but the Texas logo always looks like a uterus to me.
Shouldn't that be "lies"? ...or are they claiming the Spartans tell untruths? ...whereas...
Well, it does so happen there's more than one Spartan.
listing the seven values from the company mission statement. When the poster arrived I put it in the display case in the cafeteria, not noticing that one of the seven was missing: Attention to Detail. So I am not one to throw stones.
Evil Empire's onto something here! We're totally missing the nature of the MSU typo.
Lets hope their QB play is as acurate as this sign.
LOL, of all the words on that sign, they spelled "accurate" inaccurately. So spartanish.
To hell with MSU.
Is it unreasonable to expect them to not be able to go 11-1 every year? That is extremely difficult as it is and would be even more diffficult if we go back to the big ten of old. I'm not saying har har little brother will go 4-8 every year. Good teams can go 9-3 with hard schedules. Iowa used to be really good. Purdue used to be really good and they both couldn't sustain it. It will be especially hard now that they are placed in a division with 3 mammoth programs.
As long as they are allowed to get away with their PI garbage nearly every down
Bullough, Tom Gholston...
It's why their players don't get drafted.
The real question is whether anyone up there in EL will recognize the spelling ("acurate") and syntax errors in the "theses" Mark "Luther" Dantonio apparently nailed to the football room door. "Whereas beyond this door lie . . "?
"Whereas" usually introduces a conditional phrase, as in "because of the fact that the MSU Spartans lie behind this door, you better watch out," or some such. Instead we get the incomplete "Whereas behind this door lie the Spartans of MSU," . . . yeah, then what?
But anyway, I guess I do agree with that "thorn in the side" part. Sigh. .
Am I missing something about MSU? Yeah, I know they could beat us again, especially if UM doesn't get its shit together, but aren't they only returning like 4 defensive starters? Their offense might improve a bit but their offense was meh anyway and depended a lot on the defense. If their defense is top 5 again I will personally find a way to get Narduzzi removed, but I think Michigan has an edge in talent, and if Nuss is worth half his contract they should have a decent year.
The general consensus from my State friends is that their defense will take a step back in losing some excellent players. Narduzzi will have the ones that are there ready to fill in adequately, but you can't repeat what they did last year. However, their offense will probably be much better. Cook & Langford have more experience and the WRs are pretty much in tact (minus Fowler) from last year. They return a lot of experience on the OL, because they rotated a lot of players through last year. If they give up a couple of points more per game and score a couple of more per game, it could equal out.
That being said, everything went right for them to have the season they did last year. Many games (inc OSU and Stanford) were decided by one or two plays. That is the way football is.
I see losses to Oregon, OSU, and a game or 2 more. (Hopefully one of those is to us.) A good season, but not Nat Champ/Rose Bowl level like last year.
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