Myth: The Michigan Money Cannon and NIL

Submitted by Bigku22 on December 14th, 2022 at 6:13 PM

Obviously, been a ton of posts over the years on the "Michigan Money Cannon". More so recently a lot of sarcastic comments in regards to our lack of NIL/collective funding. 

Michigan is obviously not short on financially successful alumni. Even at the billionaire level. So why the struggle (outside of the athletic departments current policy)?

If you look around the country, in most cases, the highly funded NIL schools (schools that have been reported to be most active in pay for play) are not being funded by a massive group of donors all chipping in small amounts. It is a small group of ultra wealthy individuals (or in some cases literally just one) that is a superfan of athletics. Phil Knight at Oregon. John Ruiz at Miami. A couple of very wealthy oil businessman at TAMU. 

The ROI on your money for pay for play, cash incentives, "bag man" is basically 0. You get no financial return. The return is you help the football program secure high profile recruits. Which may or may not lead to on field success. You basically need someone that is such a rapid fan, and so wealthy, they have no issue burning millions of dollars annually that will see little to no financial return. And in some cases (under the table payments) cannot even be used as a charity donation write-off. 

I am personally a big Michigan football and athletics fan, but I do not have any interest in funding athlete salaries. And my personal opinion is these athletes should be getting a piece of the massive TV revenue (as the pro leagues do). 

Maybe Stephen Ross decides he wants to be Phil Knight. But unless that happens I think most schools (including Michigan) without one of these mega NIL donors that choose to burn millions annually on recruiting, will have challenges competing for the highest level of recruits. 

Amazinblu

December 14th, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^

Phil, I would expect the players who receive NIL monies from a “company”, would either be considered a consultant / contractor - or an employee.  My guess is - a consultant / contract and they’d receive a 1099.  Of course, the player would be responsible for the taxes associated with their 1099.

It will be interesting when the first tax issues arise.

trustBlue

December 14th, 2022 at 6:32 PM ^

NIL doesnt require billionaires to make it work.

I would be pretty happy to pay $10/month into an NIL fund that goes directly to Michigan players. With an alumni and fan base as large as Michigan's it shouldn't be hard to find 100,000 Michigan fans who feel that same way.

That's an easy $12M/year before tapping sponsorships, boosters, wealthy donors or whatever else. The money is absolutely there. There's no reason for a program like Michigan to be crying poor over NIL, the system just need to become more organized. 

steviebrownfor…

December 14th, 2022 at 6:44 PM ^

My problem with this is that I already pay for YouTube TV just to watch Michigan/college football. 

Some of the money from my YTTV subscription needs to find it's way to the players like it does in professional sports leagues.  Right now all that TV money is being siphoned off by middlemen and so I'm expected to be okay with that and contribute to the players personally from my own pocket.  

The problem to me is that the money is ​​​​is already flowing, it just isn't flowing to the right people.

schreibee

December 15th, 2022 at 1:27 AM ^

Steve, you can complain about that all you want, and you're not morally wrong, but... legally you're not right. 

That isn't/wouldn't be NIL, that would be Pay for Play. And the ncaa in its impotency has decreed that a violation of the rules.

Whereas they were told by a court of law that they could no longer prevent student-athletes from profiting off their name, image & likeness. 

And the University of Michigan, in its infinite wisdom has decided that for this first year of NIL at least they're going to adhere to that edict.

My problem with the collectives - whether Wangler's or others - is they never delineate a plan for how these monies will be allocated. I want to see a prospectus so I can decide which to donate to. And frankly this should have been happening long before the cases were final, because we all knew how they would end!

So anyone on here can cry about Fox et al shelling out MillionBillions that the players still receive none of, but that ain't gonna help the players, nor help Michigan retain the services of said players.

It's just cheap talk, tbh

Bigku22

December 14th, 2022 at 6:46 PM ^

I don't disagree with your premise. I'm just stating that's not what is currently happening at Michigan or the majority of schools at the moment. The collectives are fine, but in the pay for play recruiting game (which we reportedly aren't even participating in as is) it's not groups of well funded collectives with thousands of small donors leading the way. 

It's a couple ultra rich individuals spending millions of their own money (and also being able to have the most control over the process, unlike a collective). 

BKBlue94

December 14th, 2022 at 7:27 PM ^

Same here, I wouldn't mind chipping in a hundred or two a year. I watch the games either way, so I feel like I'd just be buying a shot at having a better time all those hours I spend watching. There's not a way to do that at Michigan right now though, is there? 

blueheron

December 14th, 2022 at 6:32 PM ^

OP writes:

If you look around the country, in most cases, the highly funded NIL schools (schools that have been reported to be most active in pay for play) are not being funded by a massive group of donors all chipping in small amounts.

How does the OP know this? Serious question.

Bigku22

December 14th, 2022 at 6:40 PM ^

The amount of articles, tweets, message board posts regarding those 3 schools specifically (and the mega donors funding the recruiting at those places) are pretty widely circulated. 

I am not saying that collectives with a bunch of small donors can't work or don't help or that Michigan shouldn't pursue that strategy. I'm saying by all indications the schools spending the most, and having the most success with the pay for play recruiting version of NIL, are the ones with an ultra wealthy mega donor leading the way.  

Jkidd49

December 14th, 2022 at 6:47 PM ^

Regardless of how you feel about NIL...having an incoming class of players ranked outside the top 20 seems far from ideal.  Esp on the heels of the most onfield success in recent history.  And if you think NIL isn't one of the main culprits here... I dunno what to tell ya.

Seth

December 14th, 2022 at 6:48 PM ^

The "Money Cannon" refers to Michigan fans every time there's a charity thing that pits fanbases against each other. The amounts there are far less than what's getting moved around in recruiting.

Leaders And Best

December 14th, 2022 at 6:58 PM ^

The greatest trick universities and their ADs have pulled has been shifting the burden for player income to fans and donors while keeping the real money away from the players (TV contracts, preferred seat contributions/PSL, ticket revenue, advertising, merchandise/licensing). Every week there is some story from coaches or AD-friendly media trying to guilt fans and donors by talking about how their team is being outbid by other schools with the message implicit--give us even more money or the team will lose. This week it was OSU media talking about being outspent while their AD takes in the highest revenue in the country.

Fans and donors are already spending significant amounts of money on their alma maters or favorite hometown universities. The universities are working their hardest to keep from sharing it with the labor.

Bigku22

December 14th, 2022 at 7:18 PM ^

I strongly agree with both of you. The fact it's falling on fans/alumni to basically pay the player salaries is A JOKE, and I think many people feel the same. Hence why I don't think the idea of large amounts of small donors ever making up a massive collective will ever be comparable to a mega donor who wants to just throw millions at football. 

rice4114

December 14th, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^

Schools could write a check right now and pay it to the football payers based on minutes played on live tv. If the NCAA tried to stop them for rewarding players for actual real life NIL pay they would be up to their neck in law suits. One school is going to challenge that, and win, and be the next Alabama. If I was in Deion Sanders ear this is what I would be saying. You got $150mil this year? Put it to work. Lets the lawyers figure it out. Ncaa would have no leg to stand on. Trying to stop NIL payments in a NIL is legal world. Good luck. Santa you can say this was your idea Im good with it!

Monkey House

December 14th, 2022 at 7:15 PM ^

Michigan does not need to offer every 5* big bucks, Michigan needs to go after the players they want and offer big bucks. As has been stated OSU recruits athlete's, Michigan recruits football players,but I would like to see more football players with more money.

Optimism Attache

December 14th, 2022 at 7:18 PM ^

I really can't say whether this is true--I have no details on the breakdown of donations to UM writ large vs NIL. That said, your theory makes some sense.

I don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but it strikes me that in general Michigan alumni are more the types to donate to serious issues and vanity projects (e.g., cancer research and getting a B-school building named after them) than sports. I imagine the priorities are just different for alumni of many of schools. 

ThadMattasagoblin

December 14th, 2022 at 7:19 PM ^

My problem with this is that it is costing us. I believe that we have already lost 2-3 commits or serious targets to NIL. If you think that is bad, wait until one of our players transfers to Georgia because he can make more money there. Obviously you've got to be smart about it but being naive and trying to run an athletic department like it's the 1970s where everyone is an amateur doesn't seem like the correct approach.

Red is Blue

December 14th, 2022 at 7:24 PM ^

This has the potential of fracturing majored college football into:

Teams/conferences that participate openly in NIL.  Ie pretty unregulated market

Teams that compensate players, but in return requires participating players to enter into contracts that limits the players abilities to receive other compensation (there would have to be an strong enforcement oversight body with contractual teeth to audit teams as well as individual players.  Who knows, maybe this could even include requirements to "play school")

Eph97

December 14th, 2022 at 7:58 PM ^

It truly means more in the SEC. It seems based on their apparent paltry NIL collectives northern rich donors don't have the desire to pay kids to play football at their school (OSU, UM, ND, PSU).

Most seem to think that a scholarship is sufficient and that kids are free to strike endorsement deals on their own. At OSU the stars have done this, with Stroud earning $2M with Express and JSN $1.7M. But that money came from Express, and not from any OSU NIL collective as bags.

 

HenneManCrush

December 14th, 2022 at 11:02 PM ^

Isn’t this the very idea, though? Stroud and JSN are profiting off of their name/image/likeness when previously they could not. Good for them. And Express has an obvious interest in making a smart investment so they’re not just going to shotgun money at anyone. That seems like exactly what this should have been from the start.
 

Unfortunately, it has evolved extremely quickly into a pay-for-play thing. The jump from “you can sign endorsements, get paid for signing autographs, sell your gold pants charm, get tattoos fro free, etc.” to “we’ll give you a signing bonus and pay you to play here” happened way too fast. Now that toothpaste is out of the tube it’s never going back. 
 

I am all for the freedom of players to choose to play where they want and for the reasons that make the most sense to them. At the same time, that has come at a cost of major college football changing so quickly that it will soon be unrecognizable from what it once was. That bums me out. At least leagues like the NFL have salary caps, a single organization negotiating TV contracts, collective bargaining, etc. rather than a bunch of basically-autonomous conferences trying to sign as many deals as possible with as many networks as they can to dominate the TV wars, etc. The lack of a central governing oversight organization means that conferences and schools will just go wild with all of it. I don’t think the game of college football as a whole is better because of it. It has to be hell to be a coach right now. I don’t know how you possibly manage a roster, and I don’t know how you recruit when you know there is a good chance the guys you want will just go to the highest bidder. You only have so much time for evaluation, building relationships, etc. It must feel to coaches like they have to widen the net so much more to account for the fact that now anyone from any school — even those who would never have had a shot at a kid before — can just swoop in with a better offer. 

Good for the players to be able to make their money off of their skill now while they’re in peak position to do so, though. Can’t blame them. Just sad for how quickly it has turned college football into a mess. 

kyeblue

December 14th, 2022 at 8:04 PM ^

For billionaires who are true big sport fans, Cuban, Ross, Cohen for example, would buy professional teams, which they can enjoy total control. And they would rather make big donations to the school rather than pay some unproven college freshmen more than some players on their own professional team. 

1blueeye

December 14th, 2022 at 8:18 PM ^

Michigan should produce their own version of “Hard Knocks”. Totally candid and raw.  Inside footage of pregames and post games and weekly insider stuff. Sell it as a subscription of some sort. If it’s as good as that 2017 insight, we’d all sign up to watch, And split the proceeds among the players. Id love to see some of that stuff, 

rice4114

December 14th, 2022 at 8:24 PM ^

I am personally a big Michigan football and athletics fan, but I do not have any interest in funding athlete salaries

And there you have it. I saw these posts on July 1 of 2021 and could see the writing on the wall. We arent as motivated as a fan base and surely not as a program to help organize this.

Good bad or otherwise Im not judging it is just the reality of the situation. I really thought the money cannon was going to fizzle and it surely did. We are prime Dantonio @ MSU with some star power in Corum, Edwards, and JJ at the skill positions. Better keep those 3-4 players at those skill positions so we have a fighting chance.

DennisFranklinDaMan

December 14th, 2022 at 9:11 PM ^

I think it's funny that for so long it was taken as an article of faith here that Michigan wouldn't be able to beat Ohio State because they (it was said) pay players and we don't -- and it was asserted that unless we decided to relax our standards we were doomed to lose.

It's also taken as an article of faith apparently that Michigan isn't exploiting NIL options as much as most other teams are.

Meanwhile, we've lost two games in the past two years (one to last year's National Champion, and none this year) ... and Michigan fans are still going crazy that we're doomed, doomed because of our inability to negotiate this particular new world we're in.

I don't know. I liked the conversation Seth and Brian had last week about how Harbaugh prefers "football players" to 5-star recruits who (I'm paraphrasing) aren't as willing to sacrifice for the team to the same extent. I don't see why that can't continue to get us the players we want ... and I have enough faith in the athletic department and the Michigan administration that they will figure out the new world soon enough. Maybe a few years before the early-adopters (Texas A&M, etc.), but ... is that so bad? 

I swear. It's like people want to win the recruiting wars more than the actual games. I'm pretty satisfied with 13-0.

buddhafrog

December 14th, 2022 at 9:27 PM ^

Michigan has said their strategy is to use NIL to keep players at Michigan, not to get them there in the first place. I like this idea a lot. Use it as an incentive to stay. I just saw a graph that UM is second only to TA&M in avg NIL compensation (don't know if this is for football only, for all athletes, etc) at $65K

I think players are getting bags - but not the flashy deals in recruiting but hopefully to all players and most to players who are "earning" it on the field/court

TruBluMich

December 14th, 2022 at 9:37 PM ^

I know SEC fans who give away thousands of dollars a year to help "boost" their favorite team.  These people are not wealthy by any means.  The difference is their favorite teams are organized and make raising money a social event. To them, football is like a religion, and everyone must do their part to ensure their "group" is the dominant one. If that sounds familiar, it should; other non-profits have been doing this for centuries.

DennisFranklinDaMan

December 14th, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^

Whereas I think that's an outright scam -- and outrageous.

I get that we all agree that college football is almost completely unrelated to the academic mission of a university ... and I get that we're all pretty much ok with the sport essentially being an under-21 version of the NFL, but ... putting the onus on fans to pay recruits to come to the school even beyond the ticket prices to the game ...

I mean, where would that stop? Bankruptcy? "Are you sure you can't spare $5 more to help us get a right tackle? Ok, but if we lose, it's your fault!"

TruBluMich

December 14th, 2022 at 10:23 PM ^

At some point, a school is going to figure out that there is nothing stopping them from having a collective that owns the rights to season tickets, concessions, and apparel. The collectives will keep a percentage and pay the rest to the school in "licensing fees".

Sounds pretty far-fetched, but I would not be surprised if at some point a school takes that leap to level the playing field.

bronxblue

December 14th, 2022 at 9:53 PM ^

This is probably the case and it's also why I honestly don't worry that much about a couple of schools hoovering up the talent - there aren't that many spots and if the only reason you're going somewhere is because their crazy billionaire will write you a check then it's unlikely you'll retain a chunk of that class in the future.  Also, at least with Knight it sounds like Oregon is only going to receive these benefits related to Nike while Knight's at Nike and once he leaves they'll just be reliant on his money and not his influence at the swoosh.  So even that benefit feels ephemeral. 

The money cannon is there and it will help in certain circumstances but, sure, the idea that any school was going to just line up a bunch of rich alumni and convince them to spend millions so that an athletic department already clearing $40-50M from TV deals doesn't have to share with athletes wasn't realistic.