Blue@LSU

October 5th, 2023 at 10:44 AM ^

Not an NCAA apologist, but...

The NCAA is basically just doing what the schools tell them/allow them to do. For example, the rules committee that had the genius idea to shorten the game by running the clock after 1st downs was headed by Kirby Smart. There must be something in this proposal that the schools support, otherwise they would just shoot it down.

I might be wrong, but if enough powerful schools wanted to, they could just pull out of the NCAA and go their own way. The fact that they haven't done so already means that they find some value in it as an organization. What that value is, I have no idea.

othernel

October 5th, 2023 at 11:09 AM ^

I'll just re-quote my comment from a bit lower down in the thread. But the gist of it is, if every school (and the supreme court) have acknowledged that the NCAA cannot legally create/enforce limitations on school, then why the fuck are we obeying their BS suspension for Harbaugh?

Half this board loves to say "but we're not Michigan if we don't follow the rules..." and are in favor of the suspension. I think we can follow the rules, but when the NCAA tries to come at us with some trumped up BS, we should say "see ya in court"

Previous comment:

It's because they've been rendered absolutely useless to govern anything by the supreme court.

Yes, the case was specific to NIL, but if you read the opinion, it basically says the NCAA has a whole cannot regulate universities and competition.

So what happens when you're an organization with zero actual power. You pass BS rules about photoshoots and punish people for buying burgers.

 

pescadero

October 5th, 2023 at 3:22 PM ^

"But the gist of it is, if every school (and the supreme court) have acknowledged that the NCAA cannot legally create/enforce limitations on school,"


That hasn't happened.

The Supreme Court acknowledge the NCAA couldn't keep THIRD PARTIES from paying student athletes... but they still allow the NCAA to prohibit schools from paying players.

maizedNblued

October 6th, 2023 at 9:35 AM ^

I guess you’re the guy who thinks any oversight is pointless and stupid….yet 10 minutes after they disband the NCAA and come up with another catchy governing term like the NACAA you’ll be the first in line grabbing an ice cream cone and celebrating its existence …people like you are why South Park episodes are so popular.

UMForLife

October 5th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^

I didn't expand the article to see the whole article, but this is ridiculous. Who is this supposed to help? What are they trying to hide? So, someone spends their own money to make it to the visit deserves no attention? They are spending their own money for crying out loud. NCAA needs to go or the idiots managing it needs to be replaced. 

4th phase

October 5th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^

It is supposed to help the recruiting support staff who feel like its too much work to set up all these elaborate photo shoots.

Thats it, a few schools don't want to do it, but they don't want to be left out so they are asking the NCAA to just ban them. Pretty much the same logic as the satellite camp ban. We don't want to do more work so just eliminate this.

mwolverine1

October 5th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^

It is very likely this was requested by coaches/schools. The photoshoot trend has been part of an increase of planning and cost burden for coaches and staff during visits. Like at Michigan, Christina DeRuyter basically doesn't sleep during June. Smaller schools with smaller staffs are even further burdened or risk falling further behind. Relaxing the burden a bit is a boon to coaches'/staffs' sanity.

Some of the other changes are also pointing towards this trend as well. See the shrinking of transfer portal windows in particular.

BlueTimesTwo

October 5th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^

If some schools want to make the extra effort and benefit from it, then why not?  It is their money and resources and seems like a difficult/dumb thing to police.

Yes, it is a stupid arms race, and yes, the presence or absence of a photo shoot shouldn't decide where an athlete commits, but in this new era the actual football parts seem to be an afterthought for many kids and their families.

TruBluMich

October 5th, 2023 at 10:01 AM ^

If the NCAA would just come out and say, we're just going to govern the actual competition, they would probably be better off.  There is no way they can stop recruits from being paid to get their picture taken somewhere.  They keep making minor issues more significant while ignoring the bigger ones they created themselves.

othernel

October 5th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^

It's because they've been rendered absolutely useless to govern anything by the supreme court.

Yes, the case was specific to NIL, but if you read the opinion, it basically says the NCAA has a whole cannot regulate universities and competition.

So what happens when you're an organization with zero actual power. You pass BS rules about photoshoots and punish people for buying burgers.

crg

October 5th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^

NCAA was being rendered effectively useless long before the Supreme Court became involved.  As the member schools started to get increasingly addicted to the athletic revenue, they kept reducing the actual means & authority the ncaa had to police the schools (while leaving in place the ncaa structures to organize competitions and generate more revenue).

othernel

October 5th, 2023 at 11:17 AM ^

Completely agree.

But until the court case, they could feign some semblance of legitimacy.

But now, after a supreme court that cannot agree on anything, votes 9-0 to de-legitimize the NCAA, I don't get why the NCAA is still around.

And I really don't get why so many UM people are still fighting to defend the NCAA after they conducted a witch hunt to find any dirt to Harbaugh, in order to pretend that they're still relevant.

Hensons Mobile…

October 5th, 2023 at 10:05 AM ^

I know the NCAA is going to take a lot of crap for this, and I get it. It's just a photoshoot, what's the big deal?

But you have to draw the line somewhere. Because first it's a photoshoot, and then the next thing you know, it's a cheeseburger. Where would it end?

mgoja

October 5th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^

Last month my son spotted Juwan Howard while on a campus tour and stopped to take a photo with him.  Do we need to get in touch with Tom Mars?

LB

October 5th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

They need to revisit that whole 'cream cheese' giveaway too. 

What a pitiful organization. Do they pay people to waste time like this?

kehnonymous

October 5th, 2023 at 10:19 AM ^

Lots to unpack here.

What if I photoshop a recruit wearing a team's jersey?  Is that OK? Moreover, what food items am I allowed to photoshop him eating? Can he be photoshopped eating a burger if there's no cream cheese on it??

grumbler

October 5th, 2023 at 10:39 AM ^

More bad reporting design to attract clicks.

The NCAA has decided nothing.  The article even admits that in the small print.  There may or may not be such a proposal, but, if there was, the article needs to say who is proposing it and how the reporter knows this.

I'd need to see this in a reputable source that contains actual information before I buy off on this "story."

 

St Joe Blues

October 5th, 2023 at 11:24 AM ^

Can AI or CGI take existing photos of people, like, say recruits on unofficial visits, and merge them with existing photos of other people, like, perhaps, Michigan coaches, and put them in specific locations, like, maybe, I don't know, the sideline of the Big House or a booth at The Brown Jug? And could those final photos be created by rival schools and put out?

Despite the snark above, it's a real question. I don't know what AI or CGI can do.