MLive on UM football players who transferred out

Submitted by Blue Vet on November 9th, 2022 at 9:51 AM

Of the 17 Michigan players who left, here are 10 who seem—from the MLive writer Ryan Zuke's profiles—to be doing best:

Zach Carpenter, OL, Indiana, starter
Zach Charbonnet, RB, UCLA, star
Chuck Filiaga, OL, Minnesotastarter
Giles Jackson, WR, Washington, contributor
Aaron Lewis, DE, Rutgers, starter
Oliver Martin, WR, Nebraska, 9 catches this season, we'll see him this week
Dylan McCaffrey, QB, Northern Colorado, starter for 2-7 team
Andre Seldon, DB, New Mexico State, 26 tackles​​​​​​
Myles Sims, DB, Georgia Tech, "the best season of his career"
Ben VanSumeren, LB, Michigan State, starter

Zuke's more extensive descriptions are worth the read:
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2022/11/how-michigan-football-transfers-are-faring-at-other-schools-in-2022.html

TXWolverine44

November 9th, 2022 at 9:54 AM ^

Outside of Carpenter, there's no real player that M needed (can always use more B1G starter minimum talent on O Line).

Glad Charbonnet found a place where he could feature and get snaps and I'm wondering what the hell happened with McCaffery. Maybe that injury against Wisconsin derailed his career? He seemed really different after that hit

schreibee

November 9th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^

Started? 

Over Blake Corum?!?!

Uh, nahhh....

He'd certainly be getting a larger share of carries than Stokes, and that would importantly lessen the load on Blake.

But I wouldn't give Charbonnet a single important carry over Blake except inside the 5. Let him smash into a wall a few of those times! 

1VaBlue1

November 9th, 2022 at 4:15 PM ^

I don't know if Charbonnet would be starting over Corum, but he would certainly cut into those carries.  Edwards would be a clear #3, possibly being moved to WR.  If Edwards stayed as a RB, Stokes would see as much time as Dunlap has this year.  ZC would be a pretty clear 1A to Blake.  Dude is that good...

jmblue

November 9th, 2022 at 2:14 PM ^

He's very good, but if he had the starting job locked down, he wouldn't have transferred.  He was behind Haskins at the time.  I'm not sure he could have beaten out Corum this year.  We really have been loaded at that position lately.

BlueKoj

November 9th, 2022 at 10:28 AM ^

Carpenter felt like a big loss when he left, but I'm not sure he'd be in the two deep at this point. Would he be ahead of El-Hadi? I tend to think not. Charbonnet is the only championship level player. It'd be amazing to have all three RBs (all 4 last year), but that was a win-win transfer all around. Would Sims be in the 2-deep here? 

elm

November 9th, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^

I don't know if Sims starts the season on the 2-deep, but I'd guess there's a good chance he would be ahead of Q-Johnson and so would have gotten playing time the last couple of weeks due to injuries/illness.

It's also possible Solomon or Wheeler, though not playing much at their new schools, would have ended up ahead of Mullings if they had stayed here. Just for depth purposes if nothing else, I'd have liked one of them to have stuck around.

NotADuck

November 9th, 2022 at 9:57 AM ^

Having not seen Dylan McCaffrey play, I'm curious to see how good he actually is.  Stats and records can be misleading because there are 10 other guys on the field with him and that affects both of those (I wonder how good Devin Gardner would have been on the team this year).  We got to see so little of him while he was here.  Joe Milton beating him for the starting QB position obviously looks bad considering what we saw from Milton that season.

djmagic

November 9th, 2022 at 10:19 AM ^

Imagining Devin Gardner on this team is a fun exercise.  It would have been fun to see his natural gifts and evolving abilities shine with quality coaching, a bunch of talent around him, and perhaps most importantly, no untreated QBPTSD.  Now, we might have varying ideas on this board about where and how the current coaching staff and their gameplanning would utilize DG's abilities, but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine his career trajectory would likely have been different.

DG's toughness, intelligence, and will to win made for a heckuva package.

djmagic

November 9th, 2022 at 11:20 AM ^

you might well be right.  But i'm just not sure we saw DG's potential given the state of the program conditions/climate when he was here.  i'm not saying he's better than JJ nor that the 2022 team would be better with DG than they are with JJ.  I'm not knocking JJ one bit, just engaging in a rather useless, but mildly entertaining hypothetical regarding DG and what his career might have looked like if he'd been surrounded by a similar group of talent, and an upgraded coaching staff.

 

 

PopeLando

November 9th, 2022 at 1:08 PM ^

I mean, maybe? 

We can't know for sure. As far as I can tell, nobody really coached Gardner, he got by on sheer ability and, tbh, some high school tactics which occasionally got him lit up

(remember how one of his favorite ways to escape pressure was to turn around, run backwards, and try to weave? Nobody coaches players to do that in college.)

Also remember that he was jerked around, playing WR for most of a season until Hoke remembered that he forgot to coach anyone else as a backup QB in case Denard went down with an injury he (Hoke) couldn't just IGNORE away.

So Gardner's only progress was what he could figure out for himself. That's Factor #1.

Factor #2 is that Hoke & co. regularly tried to get Gardner killed. Between horrific OL, even-more-horrific game plans, and a criminal lack of caring re: injuries...the fact that Gardner could sometimes take over a game is testament to his insane talent and fortitude. 

Factor #3 is that his coaches didn't show any kind of leadership nor support. In 2014, they refused to name team captains. Gardner got fucking BENCHED for "motivational reasons." And then reinstated the next game after utter disaster. 

If anyone, at any time, had worked with Gardner on mechanics and passing concepts, I gotta believe he'd have lit up the world. This guy is STILL all over our record books despite playing in the most moribund offenses Michigan has fielded since the 1930s.

JJ has the benefits of a coach who believes in him, an OC who calls coherent games, teammates who don't put games exclusively on his shoulders. And intact ribs.

Amazinblu

November 9th, 2022 at 9:59 AM ^

Wishing all of them well.  Stay healthy, complete your degree, and best of luck in the future.

However, should they and their current team face Michigan - don't expect my rooting interests to change.

Go Blue!