Hope you guys enjoy my hype video for the finale vs ND.
Michigan/NotreDame: The Final Chapter
It's one of the most exciting game M plays all year
Notre Dame wants to reduce their Midwest presence and focus on other areas. But do they reach a point where they de-emphasize it so much that it hurts their Midwest recruiting?
Teams like Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame still make up the foundation of their recruiting from the Midwest. Does ND become "out of site out of mind" by having no marquee Midwest matchups?
ND had 6 players from the Midwest in the last class. IL, OH, MI and IN. Think they'll be ok.
but then again, you may end up being very wrong. It may take a few years for the footprint to slowly fade away with one less midwest game on your schedule. But we'll see...
ND plays in the midwest, is on TV every week. Not disappearing any time soon.
Cool. With that badass NBC deal (btw: network has to be thrilled you're taking away one of their highest-rated games) you shouldn't need to play Duke and UVA, correct?
...and you can always watch Rudy. So you have that going for you.
PS - We are all going to miss you phork after this season. The ACC message boards are going to be gaining a top notch troll.
...the current convo notwithstanding, phork only turns into a troll when we hit a nerve with him. He's usually a pretty respectable guy.
Thought I said top notch?
Not going anywhere. I enjoy your company.
Unlike ND, Phork is not a chicken.
snooty, though. Boiler up, Phork, boiler up.
And he can't even spell fork correctly.
a team Michigan will no longer play pledges to continue to "contribute" on a Michigan blog. For this I have up-voted your response.
Are you denying that your schedule is getting watered down with the inclusion of the ACC games you're bound to now?
Well since we don't play teams like Appalachian St we kind of have to.
Michigan than ND and are NOT afraid to continue to play Michigan.
That's a textbook example of what you'd call a "zinger."
That was a zinger. However the real zinger is that ND has never lost to an FCS team, let alone played one. That in itself is worth 20 losses.
Would you at least agree that ND's cheesy maneuver to spring the cancellation on our AD two years ago in a way that benefited ND by giving you the last home game wasn't the type of behavior you'd expect from an institution that considers itself a pillar of morality and values? Do-unto-others.
Are you familiar with the history of the Catholic Church? This is all within the norm.
You are just sad that Captain Jack Swarbrick got the drop on Davey. Its ok, we can cuddle.
quick question: Did you spell Appalachian all by yourself, or did someone "help" you out with that?
notre dame's schedule shames our schedule... the big ten schedules are not very impressive unless the big ten teams start to become real contenders
Not to agree with a domer, but i agree with a domer. notre dame is going to be just fine from a recruiting perspective. Aside from being on NBC every home game, they are still the most popular college football team in the Chicago area (sorry NW and Illinois). Local news reports on college football ALWAYS include the Fig Things along with schools actually in Illinois (U of I, NW, NIU).
soiled themselves with Golson and this year's scandal really does tend to confirm that Kelly was brought in to lower the standards, bumpy--internally and externally--though that road may be. Between this and the tower business, a supressed rape scandal, etc. (http://www.thenation.com/blog/172042/notre-dame-and-penn-state-two-rape-scandals-only-one-cry-justice), I kind of think that the Michigan strategy for a return to national prominence looks the saner and more ethical of the two. And we're not running halfway across the country in an ill-advised attempt to get away from anyone.
There are a LOT of potential stumbling blocks down the road for ND now. They get the crap beaten out of them one or two times a years as a halfway-in member of the ACC and any case they have for the playoff could grow dimmer and dimmer; their fan base is really going to question this approach. As a thoroughgoing member of the ACC, they don't have too much more chance of an undefeated season than they had in the B1G.
P.S. I'm sorry that Yost was a racist. But if you think that a staid religious institution like ND doesn't have its own miserable past and contradictions to take stock of, well. . . Let's just begin with the "we need to get our own thugs" philosophy of football. Bear Bryant was a saint in comparison.
may have been a racist against Irish Catholics but his feud with Rockne was more about perceived slights during a track meet in Ann Arbor and disagreeable recruiting practices.
I'd really like to think Michigan will meet them again, but I don't see it in the near future. There's always the playoff, but in my perfect (and obviously dream) world, Ohio State, Michigan State and Notre Dame never make it, so yeah, happy trails, fuckers.
Thanks to Wolverine Historian:
Notre Dame was defending National Champs, and a guy named Montana was leading the Irish against Michigan.
There's just something about Bob Ufer's call of a game. "Two tight ends and a balanced line as Leach lines up under center..."
Nice work! It definitely had the right feel to it.
The game is tomorrow, right?
Did ND switch to turf or are they still grass?
I never liked us playing on the grass at Notre Dame. Seems to slow us down. We don't look like we are used to it (except Denard who is fast on everything).
They are turf now
This is good for us.
They switched to turf this year
FieldTurf, goofy uniforms and the five-game per season ACC contract begins this year. So much for Notre Dame tradition. But some things never change: Lou Holtz will still stammer, drool, get droopy-lidded and make even less sense every time Notre Dame comes up for discussion on ESPN.
This had me rolling. My co workers were staring at me.
I've always called Holtz Mush Mouth. I also called Weis "Front Butt". It's easy to make fund of ND. Just needa good name for Kelly's vein in the middle of his forehead that likes to make a regular appearance.
Did anybody else see him Saturday evening on ESPN? He basically started talking about how you can't tell anything from week one because all these teams are playing cupcakes, then he goes on to say Notre Dame is awesome because Rice. Rece Davis and Mark May were pretty baffled. I love that they openly made fun of him, though.
Terrific choice -- to present this is a trailer for the final installment of a film-series. Which begets the question: which film series finale will Saturday emulate?
I'm going to run with TDKR. Kelly is Bane ("People of Ann Arbor..."); Nuss = Fox; 2013 was Bruce Wayne's time in the pit. Hopefully no one will have to stage their own death in the climax.
It's a very nice video, but I don't completely share the sentiment that many have regarding the end of the series.
I grew up in the Chicago area as a Notre Dame fan, but when I attended Michigan, all that went out the window. My freshman year in Ann Arbor was 1978--the same season that the modern version of the UM-ND series was renewed.
There have been lots of great games over the years and despite their up and down years (especially since 1993), Notre Dame is still a major brand team (insert David Brandon joke/comment here!!!). Any UM athletic director pretty much loved having them on the schedule because of the publicity and television ratings (although Schembechler apparently thought very hard about cancelling it while he was AD when ND opted to schedule a game before what was supposed to be the mutual season opener for both teams).
But when the BCS era started and in the wake of PSU's entry into the Big Ten, Michigan began lightening up the non-conference schedule. The 1997 season had ND along with Baylor and Colorado, but in the years following, we began to see more MAC teams and lower level competition being put in place. What all that meant was Notre Dame was likely going to be the only major non-conference opponent in any one year (there were obvious exceptions, but that was the general trend). When that started happening, I wanted to start seeing ND rotated with other major non-conference programs.
The thing that really tipped it for me was when I attended the Rose Bowl game in 2004 (?) against Texas. Michigan had never played UT and that contest showed that there were other high profile opponents out there (many which UM had only played occasionally, or in the case of LSU, never), that could be rotated into the non-conference schedule in lieu of Notre Dame. It was also one hell of a football game--even if it was a loss.
That's pretty much my opinion on the matter now that we're in the four-team playoff era and the Big Ten is about to embark on a nine-game conference schedule. Could I see Notre Dame as part of a rotation of programs to play home-and-home non-conference games with? Absolutely. But I'd still like to see Michigan play games with other name teams throughout the country (sort of like Ohio State). The home-and-home with Oklahoma in 2025/6 is a perfect example of that. Texas would also be on that list along with LSU, Florida State, Georgia, etc.
We'll see what shakes out as David Brandon fills out the future non-conference schedules. It'll be interesting to see if he opts to have two Power 5 teams on the non-conference schedule like he did with Washington and Virginia Tech in 2020/1. It'll also be worth seeing if he plans to have those major non-conference games to start the season (such as the neutral site opener with Florida in 2017, the season openers with Arkansas in 2018/9, etc.) much like Schembechler wanted to have happen with Notre Dame over two decades ago.
I have a few friends that are Notre Dame fans, and maybe it's just because they know I'm a Michigan fan, or maybe it has nothing to do with me being a Michigan fan, but the general impression they give me is that they are sad to see this series go.
A win would give Michigan a 10-9-1 record at Notre Dame Stadium, leaving them with a little more to chew on for the next few years.
The pump is Strong with this one....
Cant wait to zip em up' once and for all.
High production value, good choice of music, and seemingly a good balance of teams. But the editing could use some work - the rapid-fire move from one clip to the next in the first half got a bit maddening, and the repetitiveness of clips from the beginning at the end made it anti-climactic. Stretch out some of those clips at the beginning, and remove the ones from the beginning that you use at the end (e.g., Desmond's catch, other goalline catches), where they seem to belong, and the video would be immensely improved.
they'll be choking on for decades. Go Blue!
So I will: To hell with Notre Dame.
So glad Hoke called them out for chickening out of the series, which is exactly what they're doing. It's gotten so bad for them that they see the Michgian game on the schedule as an automatic Loss after winning just 1 of the last 5 against us.
And the 1 win came in South Bend with 6 Michigan turnovers and a final score of 13-6.
Not exactly a convincing victory.
I just hope when it does, the relevance will still be there.
I bet the house on Michigan +5.5.
What's so dumb and sad about this is that it's different from a lot of the other rivalries lost to realignment. Hoke was right -- this is really just about Notre Dame chickening out. They looked at their schedule and decided that they're willing to drop their second-biggest rival (right? after USC?) in order to slightly increase their projected win total over the next few years. It's lame. They don't have a full conference slate and they're keeping lower-profile Big Ten teams on the schedule, which is pretty clearly because they're making a bet that those games will be more winnable in the long run.
I get why Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M can't play one another every year now -- they have full schedules. Notre Dame has plenty of room and just chickened out. Between this and all of the issues in South Bend over the past few years, my respect for ND has never been so lacking.
ND needs to preserve those historic rivalries with the service academies. Why back in the 40's when Doc Blanchard and Glen Davis were toting the ball for the Cadets, those were some amazing battles.
Sad to see this series go. Wish we could have even laid out an every other year game at the very least.
"And there he goes, no one will catch him"!
The contract allowed ND not only to "chicken out" but to play both the first and last games in the current series at home. I cannot understand why UM would sign a contract that permitted this. If one team cancels, the number of games left in the series left should be determined so that the total number of home/away games in the series is even.
Even IF we did not have a voice in letting the B1G give MSU two home games in a row, but we certainly could have insisted on a better contract with ND.
Doug Karsch brought this up on the radio two years ago, Notre Dame conveniently ending the series after getting one more home game in, making it an uneven number of games since the series renewed. Even though he didn't want to see the series end, he thought we should have dropped the 2014 game.
But if we did that, you're not going to find a decent non-conference opponent to fill that slot in less than two years and we probably would have been stuck with another MAC school.
My worst memory would be us kicking the ball to the "Rocket", after already taking one to the house, then he took another one to the house. My best memory is us going for the win when Grbac connected with a diving Des in the endzone.
my best was UTL, for obvious reasons. Also, we had a Domer just above us giving Section 42 hell for the whole game. And, again after they went up with 30 seconds left. Got to hand it to him, though, he took it all back times a thousand, as his girlfriend appeared to wish she could disappear.
Good video. One more win and then let's move on to teams unfraid to play UM.
First meeting since Stalingrad (1943). Decisive Michigan win after dubious game start. Rick Leach. Joe Montana. Bo. Devine (most fitting name ever for Notre Dame football team head coach). And Michigan won the game passing: 3 TDs out of the fucking Maryland I formation or out of the wishbone. Don Nehlen was a freaking genius. Wacky ass shit. It was also a very good Irish team, that beat Purdue (3rd place Big ten), Michigan St. (1st place tie BIg ten), Pitt, and barely lost to USC by 2 pts. Michigan was 10-2 that year, beaten only by Sparty 15-24 and a blind line judge at the Rose Bowl.
I'll go on record as sad to see the series go. As an ND fan in Michigan it's the game I look forward to the most every year. But if I'm remembering right, you guys said you wouldn't be renewing the ND contract after it was up to seek "other out of conference options" or something like that. And that was years before we exercised the 3 year opt out.
But like I said, I wish the series would continue. Kinda bummed ND decided to expedite the process but I'm sure the rivalry will continue at some point in the not too distant future. We've taken many breaks before in this series only for it to resume. It wont be nonexistant for too long. Too much history and tradition.
And I, personally, think that if we were going to chicken out against anyone we'd opt not to play Stanford haha...they've been beating our ass lately unlike you guys who usually win a tight game the last 5 or so years. But they're in Cali where we want to maintain our recruiting footprint...which makes sense to me. But at the same time I get why you guys say we're "chickening out"...we'd prolly be saying the same thing if the sides were reversed.
Stanford? Sure, Stanford has beaten ND 4 out of the last 5 times with an average margin of victory of 11.6 points compared to Michigan winning 4 of the last 5 with an average margin of victory of 3.2 points. But let's look further.
Notre Dame has lost 4 of the last 5 to Stanford, but has won 8 of the last 12. Whereas Michigan has won 7 of the last 12 against Notre Dame and it's been a game where Notre Dame has won in Michigan 1 time in the past 16 games (8 tries) where Michigan has won 3 times in South Bend in just as many games.
Notre Dame also went 1-2 against Michigan in the Rich Rod era and Brian Kelly stands at 1-3 against Michigan.
I feel your post was a little passive aggressive and suggested that perhaps ND wasn't chickening out and even that Michigan was the team that wanted to back out of the series. Trust me when I say that is not the case. And that it's been fun for 4 out of the past 5 years ruining ND's season in week 2. Can't wait to make it 5 out of 6.
I don't believe either team is or would be "chickening out". But our season hasnt been ruined so to speak. I'd argue that even after the losses (which were fair and square) we've went on to have a better overall season with the exception of 2011. I have nothing against the UM football team or university but I do disagree with the "chicken" thought process. Just look at our schedule and future schedules...that's not a schedule made by chickens lol. I actually kind of respect UM for being a pretty clean program. I'm not here to hate on you guys.
I'm not too upset about the change personally.
First, if anyone believes this is a permanent arrangement, then they are smoking doobies. UM vs ND will return and probably soon.
Today's ACC is made up of a number of former independent and Big East teams (Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, FSU and Georgia Tech), who frequented Notre Dame's schedule at multiple points over the last several decades. Notre Dame wants to rekindle these instead of keeping Michigan on. Most reasonable people don't understand that decision, especially when the ND-Michigan game has been a college football staple for so long.
Notre Dame has already played like 160+ games vs. Big Ten teams since 1960, and has an overall winning record vs. BIG10 (.626, 105-63). They've played the Big Ten frequently. It is notable however that 68 of those wins came against MSU or Purdue, who have not been particularly powerful programs over this period. Only 14 of the 105 wins came against Michigan vs. 15 losses to Michigan. Similar stat vs. Northwestern by the way (14-14).
I have no problem with a hiatus of ND vs. Michigan, because I actually want to see Michigan extend its non-conference horizons too. For example, Michigan has never played LSU or Clemson nor played any of the Florida teams on the road in FL. Games against Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Arizona State, Arizona, USC in home-home series would great too for all fans. I'm pleased with UM recebntly scheduling Oklahoma, SMU and Washington for the future.
In the same way though I I find it a shame that Notre Dame avoided other Big Ten teams like Wisconsin (1964) and Iowa (1968), which have come on in strength since the early 1980s. There's also the issue of Ohio State - 250 miles away - against whom the Irish are 0-3 since 1960.
I agree with other commenters - the decision was a bad one for Notre Dame. We'll just have to wait until both parties course correct.
I agree the series will resume before too long. I say within a couple years of 2020. Both schools know how big this game is...I don't care what Kelly or Swarbrick have said previously and how they've downplayed it. But I don't think it's a mistake by ND either. We were fine the last few times you guys decided to put the series on hold and we'll be fine this time when we decided to put it on hold. I also don't think we'll ever see ND in the Big Ten after getting spurned when we tried to join way back when. We proved after that that we didn't need to be in a conference to be a power and we still dont need a conference seeing as our schedule is consistantly one of the toughest in the country, year in year out. Everybody likes playing ND, it's good exposure and...lately...not an incredibly tough game.
As I've said previously tho, I hate that the series is coming to an end for a bit. I live in Michigan and am an ND fan, with all my closest friends being UM fans...it's easily the game I look forward to most all year.
I also believe the reason for joining the ACC was more for other sports since we're a permanent member in those sports and only a partial member in football. Just part of the deal. I bet if the ACC would have been ok with us just staying completely independent in football (like the Big East was) we wouldnt even be having this discussion about the ND-UM series taking a hiatus...but sadly (for me), that's not the case. The ACC was probably the most flexible about our independence of the conferences we could choose from.
I like that we'll both be playing other teams but wish it was done some other way. But if we were to play UM, Texas or Georgia (both future meetings we have scheduled), FSU, USC, Stanford, Clemson, VaTech etc...in one year, we'd be asking for a few losses no matter how good we might be. That's a brutal schedule and would be completely stupid on our part. I'm all for a tough schedule but there's a limit if you want to win titles.
I don't think the seek "other out of conference options" narrative is correct.
In a May 2010 article, the then new Michigan Athletic Director David Brandon indicated that the contract announced in 2007 for the two teams to through to 2031 had never been signed. Two months earlier, UM put out a press release announcing (1) the first night game in 2011, (2) the continuation of the series annually through 2017 with a two-year break to play other teams (for Michigan, this would be the home-and-home with Arkansas), and (3) the rivalry would resume in 2020. See http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-notre-dame-never-signed-contract-to-extend-rivalry-series/
In the Michigan press release dated 25 September 2012, UM AD David Brandon announced the end of the series and the cancellation of the 2015, 2016 and 2017 games. Here's his quote from the press release:
"The decision to cancel games in 2015-17 was Notre Dame's and not ours," said Brandon, the Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics. "We value our annual rivalry with Notre Dame but will have to see what the future holds for any continuation of the series. This cancellation presents new scheduling opportunities for our program and provides a chance to create some new rivalries."
Perhaps that's where you got your quote about "seeking out other conference options". The press release above also stated that the future of the games "scheduled to be played in 2020 and beyond has yet to be determined". So at that time, at least, Michigan officially hadn't announced any cancellations for the ND series beyond the three years discussed above.
In a September 2013 article, the following was reported:
Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon said Wednesday that he is currently having zero discussions with Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick about any type of rivalry rebirth after next season. And, unless something strange happens, these two schools are done playing for a long, long time. “No, our schedule is booked going out into the early (2020s), and my understanding is, there’s is as well,” Brandon said. “The only way we’re going to play Notre Dame after next year would be if we run into (them) in a bowl game, or if our schedules allowed us to have some sort of neutral-site one-off game.”
If all the quotes don't convince you, then keep in mind that the two largest attendance games in Michigan's history were the 2011 and 2013 night games against Notre Dame (UTL I and UTL II). For lack of a better way to describe it, those contests were marketing gold for both universities and for the television networks. This was not a series that Michigan wanted to give up, but with that said, it's clear that UM and ND are moving on in terms of non-conference scheduling.
For 2015, Michigan replaced Notre Dame with Brigham Young (at Utah and Oregon State are two of the other non-conference games along with UNLV). Since the Big Ten went to a nine-game conference schedule in 2016, UM didn't need to replace ND with another program since the Wolverines already had three other teams on the schedule (Hawaii, UCF, Colorado). In 2017, Michigan replaces what would have been a home game with ND with a neutral site game against Florida in Dallas (the two other non-conference games are Cincinnati and Air Force).
As I mentioned above, there was a scheduled hiatus in the series for 2018/9 when Michigan opted to play Arkansas in a home-and-home series. Razorback AD Jeff Long has major ties to the UM athleti department, which accounts for why those two games were scheduled.
In 2020/1, Michigan will have home-and-home series with two Power 5 Conference teams--Washington and Virginia Tech. UCLA is on the schedule for 2022/3 and another home-and-home series was recently announced with Oklahoma in 2025/6.
ESPN Big Ten blogger Adam Rittenberg discusses in his post today at http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/106464/b1g-schedules-enter-new-exciting-phase
Yea, I didnt say UM wanted a permanent end to the series but they did say they wouldnt be renewing the contract. The article I read was from The Ann Arbor News, I think...I'll try to find it.
But my main issue is with the "chickening out" stance UM and a lot of UM fans have taken (which I get, it's funny and it's a jab at a rival...just isn't true IMO). If we could have avoided the series being put on hiatus I bet almost anything we would have. Our future matchups with Purdue and MSU are also up in the air. The whole deal with the Big East fading away pretty much created this whole hiatus. If we could have remained in the Big East and remained completely independent in football the series would still be on, IMO. But since the Big East went bye bye we had to look at other options for our other sports and it seems like the ACC was our best, most flexible option to remain (mostly) independent in football but be total members in all other sports. If the ACC would have let us get away with total independence like the Big East did then I doubt we're having this discussion...buuut we have the 5 games per year deal to fulfill with the ACC.
Oh and I believe the following link is the article I read.
And I just wanted to say thanks to the guys who gave me some thoughtful and respectful replies...I know it's not always like that when someone from an opposing fanbase visits another teams forums haha.
I can take Michigan and get 5 1/2 pts. It must be a trap!
Could somebody please post who will be the officiating crew for the game?
I would imagine SEC or Big 12 refs right? It can't be ACC or B1G?
If Nuss/Hoke want to play Peppers on offense for a play or two, is there any issue w/ him and Hayes having the same number? Obviously they couldn't be on the field at the same time, but say Hayes goes in as the 3rd down back 3 or 4 times before Peppers comes in. Can we just sneak Peppers in there to catch a pass out of the backfield and hope ND doesn't notice the name on the jersey? Or do we have to somehow declare that a different #5 has entered the game on offense?
I didn't think this was thread worthy, but Brian Kelly said today that the suspended players remain out for now.
"For now" = "they will come off game suspension on Friday"
For real, all you have to know is if those players are practicing with the 1s or not.
And honestly , if they're not, I'd rather they pop them in. Rust can be hard to shake.
I feel pretty confident about this game.
ND has a defensive line that's young and inexperienced enough that it might not be too much of a problem for our O-line, and while their defense is also planning to play more aggressively against the pass, there were some substantial defensive breakdowns this past weekend against Rice. I think they also had a bit of trouble with the mobile QB.
Further, we're now running an inside zone scheme unlike most that ND will prepare for or see this year, and it's one that's nothing like the offense they practice against.
On balance, I think we have a tangible offensive edge, and our defense should be able to outplay theirs as well.
Certainly the game will be hard-fought, but I think we have a good chance of rolling them at their house in this final matchup.
Excellent. Well done OP. The ending was a little abrupt but great stuff overall.