I was just watching sportscenter and Michael Wilbon called Notre Dame the Floyd Mayweather of college football because they want to go to a crappy division to win. Referring to ND going to the ACC (ortiz) and dodging the BIG (pacquiao). I thought this was funny and wanted to share.
michael wilbon calls out ND
EDIT: Since it was actually Wilbon this post doesn't make sense anymore.
Would get slaughtered in either conference. That is the sad reality.
They'll be the biggest football draw in the ACC which means they'll call the shots. It doesn't matter what their record is.
And he would be absolutely correct. Although, honestly, I think VT and FSU could still give ND a little bullying of their own.
Mayweather actually wins though...
Touche my good man!
Would love to see this fight. In no way am I a boxing expert, but from what I've heard (i.e. read from people who should know more than me) he wants no part of the PacMan, that would be the only boxing PPV I would pay for.
It's more like PacMan doesn't want any part of the steroid testing
Sorry Mr. America, he already agreed to the testing. Mayweather is running out of excuses for ducking Manny. He just doesn't want to end up in the ER like everyone else who fights PacMan.
*Disclaimer* Like I said, not a boxing a expert. But didn't Manny agree to the blood test, just not within X number of days of fight (if I remember right something about not wanting to give up blood that close to a fight). Whether it's 2 days, or 2 weeks before I fight, if he was doing something he shouldn't I think he would get caught.
Uhh, that was like 2 years ago. For the last year, Manny has said he'll let them test him whenever. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/09/20/mayweather.pacquiao/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a3
Thank you for enlightening me. Hate to see the excuses, I would just love to see these 2 in the ring. I'm more of an MMA fan (personally know a few people who do it so I'm partial), but this would be one boxing match I would pay for.
It's more like Mayweather is looking for any possible excuse not to fight Pacquiao.... Pacquiao has no reason to accept those ridiculous terms in which Mayweather is insinuating that Pacquiao uses some prohibited substance. Bottom Line: Mayweather is scared. After all, he's the one holding up everything with his ridiculous precedents. If you come up with any other logical reason for why this fight is not scheduled already then please reply...
He's not scared. He despises Pacqiuao's promoter Bob Arum so much he is willing to skip the fight to keep him from profiting from the biggest payout in boxing history.
Seriously? Do you think Mayweather really cares how much money Bob Arum is going to make from this fight? Mayweather only cares about two things: (a) his chances of winning the fight against a faster, harder hitting opponent like Pacquiao and (b) the amount of money he's taking home at the end of the day. We certainly know (b) is not a problem... I really cant understand how other people cant see it, HE'S SCARED!
Yes he does care. The two used to be business partners and there has been a lot of friction between them for years. You said it yourself, Mayweather doesn't need the money. I'm a fan of both but a bigger fan of Pacquiao and agree with everything Blue Since Birth says below. Most people have come to hate Money May but behind the scenes he's still Pretty Boy Floyd from Grand Rapids who busts his ass everyday to be the best and isn't afraid to get in the ring with anyone.
I like Pacman and I can't stand Floyd... And he's a great fighter, no question.
Having said that...
I rarely lose a bet on boxing despite taking underdogs with most of my picks (wish I could say the same about NCAAF). My money's going on Floyd without hesitation.
Floyd by late tko or lopsided decision.
BTW- Floyd's going to be the much bigger man physically. I'm also not so sure about Pac being "faster".
I hope some of this was coherent.
ND would beat BC, UNC, NCST, WF, Virginia, Cuse (when they join), Pitt (we'll see this week) and lose to Va Tech, The U, FSU, Georgia Tech, and Clemson
Notre Dame couldn't beat Syracuse at home, when we had Greg Robinson, and they can't now.
this was stuart scott and not michael wilbon? because i know wilbon said the exact same thing on PTI today...
agreed. i was wondering the same thing. Wilbon definitely made the same point earlier this evening.
It was def Wilbon, and i agree with him 100%.
If Stuart Scott had made the point, I would have disagreed. Since it's Wilbon, I can agree.
My mistake I was in the kitchen when I heard it when I came back Scott was talking on sportscenter they must have showed the clip from pti
Just admit it. All black people look the same to you. It's alright. I have the same problem with the whites.
I have the same problem with chinamen.
I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line you DO NOT - also, Dude, Chinamen is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian American, please.
the black people comment was funny, this is just racist.
I'm always getting Trey Wingo and Doug Gotlieb confused. Who can tell?!
IDK why they won't man up and join the B10. They already have 3 rivalries with Big Ten schools. Academically and geographically it makes sense.
Anyway if they go to the ACC, good riddance. Have fun sucking in your new conference.
I would hope all Big 10 teams stop scheduling them. Especially us so we can play somebody different in the OOC. Then maybe we can get out ND, OSU, Nebraska home one year as the big time games and MSU the next.
I lived with a guy named Stewart Scott in college. [Edit: this was at least semi-related when the post was originally about Stuart Scott.]
Relating to the OP and FWIW, Teddy Atlas said Floyd would whoop some Pacquaio ass...
I think Notre Dame will finish this year strong and that Kelly will get them on the right track. It will be good to see the UM/ND rivalry have national implications again if it already doesn't.
well thank you Lou Holtz
I hope this becomes true for the better of the rivalry, just like I can't wait for UM to turn it around against OSU for the better of the "GAME."
I was talking to an ND alumni coworker about this topic today. He was trying to give me some BS line that the ACC is more geographically diverse and would better serve their diverse and spread out fan base playing regularly up and down the east coast. He actually referred to ND as America's team (yeah just like the Cowboys) and that is why the ACC is better than the B1G since all the B1G schools are in the midwest and the school has a strong presense there already. He also tried to say that the ACC was a better fit academically too. I just laughed and told him to keep believing whatever he was trying to convince himself of because he wasn't doing a good job of that to me.
While I don't doubt that your coworker is a ND slappy, ND probably does fit in the ACC better from an institutional standpoint. Their problem is that the ACC is a (big) step below the Big Ten in football and they would always have people saying they went there to avoid M/OSU/PSU/Nebraska. Recently, I'd say that Iowa and Wisconsin could play and beat anyone in the ACC (Iowa did in 2009) and they're second tier schools here.
Their research sucks, but that's not the only definition of academic prestige (though it certainly is the B1G's). Amherst probably spends less than five million a year on research and their academics aren't really in question as elite. Same with the service academies.
The ACC is happy with BC, and they have basically the same academic model as ND does.
Wake Forest as well.
Wake actually holds its own on the research front. They do ~$200m a year, which puts them in the lower third of the ACC, B1G and Pac, but they would be in the middle tier of the SEC and top tier of the BE and BXII, and that's with a very small school. I don't know where to find faculty numbers, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Wake exceed some big name schools on a "research per faculty member" basis.
"the 10 guys i worked with who went to nd" weren't smart, so nd must be a bad school.
nobody has any idea how to evaluate the quality of an undergraduate education, and i think the rankings are fairly ridiculous, but the "i know some idiots who went to nd" line isn't particularly persuasive.
i know some idiots that went to harvard. and mit. and michigan, etc.
B10 schools including us need to stop playing ND. We are just do them a favor by giving them a B10 schedule without them having to join the conf. They need all the B10 teams way more then we need them. If they do jump to the ACC... I say screw them. Once the contract is over then never play them again.
Thus saith Bo: "TO HELL WITH NOTRE DAME!"
Perhaps for us, but not for MSU and Purdue has no chance of home and homes with anyone comparable. Let's face facts, Notre Dame draws well, both in the stands and on TV, and they're typical more beatable than any other opponent with similar appeal..
I think Sparty has home and homes with Alabama, WVU, and Miami (FL) over the next few years if I'm not mistaken. I don't know that they really struggle to schedule big names
I am sure ND would survive but I think it would definately be a blow to their ratings if Big Ten schools stopped scheduling them. I have believed this for a while now though.
I happen to agree with JoePa when he said, "If I had my choice, someone that can give us the biggest TV exposure in the East, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers. Not in that order. There's some pressure, I would suppose, to maybe go back to Notre Dame and ask again, which I would not be happy with," Paterno said. "I think they've had their chance."
ND has, indeed, had their chance now it is time for them to go to a second rate conference and deal with. Also, I don't believe the ACC will allow them to keep their football independence.
nd recently scheduled series with miami (ytm) and texas. byu is sitting out there as a natural to put back on the schedule as well given their recent independence.
is nd's schedule worse with texas/miami/byu than um/msu/purdue? so, i think the b1g could make nd's life annoying, but i don't think the conference's hand is all that strong. no single conference has much leverage over nd. the only way nd's hand gets forced is if the 64 top football programs all end up in superconferences. if that happens, nd is going to be in a delicate situation.
for both schools, the nd game is one of their marquee games of the season. they have no problem selling tickets, they can package nd tickets and sell crappy tickets and they get their fans all fired up.
i have a hard time imaginging that individual schools are going to go against their short-term self interest so that the conference can pin nd into a corner. if msu and purdue fall into line, why would northwestern or illinois or minnesota pick up nd if they had the open dates?
as long as nd's fanbase remains big and diverse, they're a money-maker for their opponents. the only way nd's hand will be forced is if they keep sucking long enough to make a major dent in the size of that fanbase...which, surprisingly hasn't happened yet.
Love Wilbon. Always writes a great column as well.
Michael Wilbon also compared Cam Newton to Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan, twice.
The MJ comparison is surprising considering he's a Chi-Town homer.
$5 says it was that douche Cigarro Cubano.
Yeah, what's the deal with that guy?
PSU = Ortiz
I hope we end the annual ND game. I'm sick of playing them at the expense of a new team every couple years. ND wont be able to keep all of their annual games going at that point anyway..between UM MSU USC and a few others.. something has 2 give
But, ND is a traditional UM rivalry, and the game always gets national attention (albeit more because of ND than UM, especially recently).
I demand that ND takes random drug tests before we play again.
How long are we under contract with Nd? I hope UofM and every other B1G school fights for every penny of those buy outs. One final middle finger to that school in south bend.
Just out of petty spite, it would be fun to see every B1G drop their game w/ ND too late to reschedule, potentially leaving ND with only 8 or 9 games before they'd theoretically join the ACC. I hope their hockey team enjoys the quality of competition in the ACC. Midwest based hockey programs hopefully would tell them to piss off, as well. After all, the east coast fits their BS blah blah blah . . .
Is pound for pound the greatest boxer ever to do it. That's a very bad comparison.
And I don't understand why people think this but Floyd has never ducked Pac man once. He has repeatedly said he will fight him anytime. As long as he takes the same test that everyone takes when they fight him. With that being said doesn't it seem like Manny might be the one ducking Floyd. Is it because he is on the juice? I don't know but damn the American public has been misled.
I don't want our conference to grow anymore - I'm already annoyed that we're not in the same division as OSU. Independents are fun on top of it - I hope UT goes independent at some point, I hope BYU stays independent. Major independent teams that play national schedules are good for the sport, especially since we see less and less OOC games.
from the institutional perspective, per the nytimes nate silver analysis, ND has the most widely disseminated fanbase in the country. consequently, getting to play all over the country is important to keep that fanbase happy and healthy. joining a conference ties nd to a region, even if it may be a big one (ie: the current acc footprint).
from a fan's perspective, its fantastic to get to play everybody. in the last 20 years, nd has played major powers from the B1G, big 12, acc, sec, pac10, et al. virtually every major power has been to south bend and we've been to their place...and that's fantastic as a fan. particularly in the 9 conference game schedule era, only independents are going to be able to do anything remotely like that. i, for one, think its very cool as a fan.
i just wish we'd stop losing so damn much.
This is funny actually because Mayweather has always fought the best. Never understood they Mayweather hate.
Champ(at least 1b if not p4p) Manny.
Finally, somebody with a "national voice" is making sense. No free pass on a decision like the one they are considering.
I'm starting to think they are afraid of the competition again. I had that feeling when they weren't going to renew the game against Michigan couple of years back.
Something is wrong in South Bend.
a rumor of conference realignment? i'll believe that nd is ends up in the acc when it actually happens. three much more likely explanations for the rumors: 1. they're total BS. 2. nd is doing due diligence on all its options 3. nd is leaking these stories to improve their leverage in other negotations they actually care about.
something has stunk in south bend, and its been the football team since holtz left. but, it seems awfully premature to buy into any of these rumors to me.
Wilbon is biased towards the Big Ten and he hates Notre Dame anyway. VT, FSU and Miami arent cupcake conference opponents. It would be nice to have them in the Big Ten but they probably fit better in the ACC.
I might be naive, but wouldn't teams like VT, Miami, and FSU still destroy them? And it's not like they streamroll teams like BC or Maryland on a year-by-year basis. It seems crazy that ND would just be able to walk into the ACC and expect to dominate. And in terms of TV deals, I don't think the rest of the ACC would bend over and take it from them for some extra scratch - those ND games don't pull monster ratings on NBC unless the opponent is also a big name, You throw ND on a Thursday against Duke, I don't expect that you outdraw two mediocre SEC teams battling it out.
you have to understand wilbon's perspective. the opportunity to pile onto a team he hated was so good, he didn't actually wait for any evidence to justify piling on. as we all know, conference realignment rumors are almost always accurate.
if nd end up in the acc, i'd be shocked. moreover, i'm entirely sure easier football schedule will have little to do with it. since kevin white left as AD, nd hasn't sought an easier schedule - far from it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_future_schedule
regularly, and they fall further from grace with G*d and man. There is a strong dislike for ND in the American south, one that starts with a certain distate for Catholicism in general. . .
I, for one, will be very happy ND doesn't join the B1G. As a hoops fan, however, I would love to have Kansas, and (for this reason) may regret Mizzou's move to the SEC.