Another miss for the 2014 basketball recruiting class, but having Kameron Chatman in the fold makes it sting a lot less. One wonders if the coaching staff will get in touch with Treyvon Bluiett again.
in town for free camps
Thank you for clarifying. The whole post is incomprehensible due to that extra "y".
Word on the street is that his mother is the reason he picked Clemson. The ship has sailed on Bluitt. I see us finishing with DJ Wilson and Blackmon or booker.
And that's not too shabby.
Goodluck Okonoboh choosing UNLV over OSU last night will help the sting too, I'm sure.
Goodluck looks like a beast. Would've been a terror to face in the paint. Quite an adept defender (shot-blocker especially).
Someone's first name is Goodluck!?!?
is named Goodluck Jonathan.
so he may be off the table by that point.
We get Wilson and Blackmon that will rap up a helluva class. Looks like Wilson has a nice mid range game and finishes at the rim. Blackmon can flat out score.
Apparently, Devin Booker and Drake Harris are good friends. Hopefully Drake is in his ear about rooming up in Ann Arbor or something. A client of mine has a grandson that hangs out with both of them (obviously when Devin is in town, not every day or anything). So here's hoping Drake is doing some recruting for the basketball team as well as the football team.
Cool story, bros?
MBB is going to have more misses when they are trying to get higher quality players. Saying it's "another miss" for Michigan, while true, doesn't really do Beilein or MBB any justice. When all l is said and done, we'll have yet another class to be excited about.
Yes, ask Spike how this works.
UMHoops had an announcement primer for Grantham that indicated a close-to-even split among the "Craystal Ball" contributors, I believe, but it also mentioned something else - Clemson had essentially been recruiting Grantham longer than anyone. Indeed, it mentioned that Clemson could have taken Grantham as a 2013 prospect had Donte not gone the prep school route, so there is that as well.
OP's tone seems to indicate we've struck out left and right on basketball recruits. We got Chatman, who many consider to be one of the best targets we were recruiting. Booker and Blackmon are still on the table, too. Characterizing it as "another miss" is kinda BS, imo.
Loaded statement there and not supported.
Either a weak troll attempt, someone who doesn't like Beilein or he is just simply uninformed.
Huge Beilein fan and huge bball fan. One of the few on this board who prefers basketball to football. See below re: the "informed" comment.
Umm...in 2014 we actually have struck out on almost all of the recent prospects who held UM offers (Hatch and Doyle were very early commits). I'm a huge fan of Beilein, FYI.
Misses from players with offers (which have been very few in 2014 given Beilein's offer style)
Keita Bates Diop
Kevon Looney (still undecided but we've been eliminated)
Vince Edwards (we cooled on him a bit, it seems)
Trevon Bluiett (doubt UM reconsiders now that he's decommitted, but we still missed when he committed to UCLA)
Hits from players with offers
Not counting him because he was an early commit makes no sense. Hatch was originally a 2013 guy so we can exclude him in discussing 2014.
Here's another way to think about it:
Early offers/high interest:
Doyle - commit
Chatman - commit
Looney - miss
Diop - miss
Tate - miss
Bluiett - miss
Booker - ?
Edwards - partiall miss?
Blackmon - ?
Wilson - ?
Devin Robinson? - miss
Grantham - miss
By my count, we're 2 out of 6 so far on early offers/high interest. That strikes me as very good considering how high these guys were rated and that none of them were from Michigan. Remember, Doyle reportedly had OSU, Purdue, Notre Dame, and Miami offers. You can't get every high-rated guy you go after, and it's very hard to come in late on high-rated guys who've had people recruiting them for ages. The final grade will depend on getting one of Booker/Blackmon (or I guess Bluiett or Bolden maybe), but so far they've done very well after two pretty exceptional years. I'd say they have a good recruiting strategy.
I don't disagree that UM has not signed as many kids as they offer, but the phrasing implies that there is something wrong with missing out on these high-level recruits. I know that you are a pretty passionate basketball fan so I'm not assuming any malice, but calling them "misses" implies the team did something wrong, as opposed to a kid simply signing somewhere else.
But that's what they are, right? Misses. They offered and the offer was not accepted. If anything, a miss is a bit tougher on UM than other programs since, due to Beilein's recruiting style, so few players are offered. They put a lot of energy into the handful of kids they've offered, and when they miss it hurts more. Crean will offer any kid and his mother a scholarship, but Beilein does things differently.
I think the staff is obviously doing a fantastic job recruiting, but recruiting almost exclusively top 150 guys can be a total crapshoot. Just look at all the decommits out of Indiana.
Crean has a lot more misses than Beilein because he offers more players and has the same number of scholarships.
You're always going to have more misses than offers. You can't just offer the ones who are going to say yes. That you're defending this is inane.
and never made it campus. Not sure he counts as a swing and a miss. Looney would be a miss like Wiggins would have been a miss last year...sure UM would have loved to him but there was never a real connection made. Looney talked UM up a little but that talk was just that, talk.
he's not down on the team or coaches. It HAS been a little slow, but the Kamchat get was wonderful, IMO, and certainly cancels any bad feeling about the Grantham loss. If M gets Blackmon I will be over the moon.
It seems like he would have been a nice addition. I defer to the coaches, of course, but my hope is that this somehow leads to Bolden joining the fold. I like that guy's highlights a lot (yes, they're only highlights).
Good luck to him unless he plays us. If we can get either Booker or Blackmon we'll be more than fine. I think we should only take one more and bank a scholly for what appears to be a loaded 2015 class especially since we are coming close to the limit and that class should also view Michigan a little differently than this one since I think we have the talent and, more importantly, the coaching to make another deep run this year. Take a very solid history of good to great recent success on the floor coupled with proven talent developers that get players to the league and add in the college atmosphere, facilities, and support the team gets and it sets up for a very nice recruiting year next year. If what has happened so far this year happens again next year then I will worry a bit more.
I would be nervous about banking a scholly for basketball. There's just not enough guys on the team, and with the talent we have on the team there's no telling who could leave for the NBA and when. Couple that with the possibility for injuries and you're gonna want as much experience on the team as you can get. Unless you're Kentucky and can get 5 of the top 10 freshmen in the country to start for you, which we can't.
Fair point and I do believe that Beilein and his staff can identify and develop talent so if we take two more and one of them is a role player type we would be fine. I guess my larger point is we will be fine with this class espacially since we got a Top 30 player in Chatman. If we can add either Booker or Blackmon everything else will be gravy but even without one of them this class is solid.
Also, the 2015 class will be more influenced by our NC run. It caught a lot of people by surprise, and a lot of the 2014 guys were already deep into looking at other programs.
...Presumably the class of 2015 will see Michigan put four players in the first round of the draft in two years (Burke & Hardaway this year, McGary & Robinson next year).
He's a solid player, but I wasn't going to to be overly excited if he committed, so I'm not too bummed he went elsewhere.
But I don't know why people are still holding out hope for Booker. Everyone is different, but this seems like a textbook example of "waiting for something better to come around". Dude has been to Michigan how many times? And we think this visit will change things? I say no. See: Laquon Treadwell, Jordan Diamond, Parrker Westphal, Lawrence Marshall (for MSU), etc.
I think it's much more likely at this point that we get Blackmon. If Booker wanted to go to Michigan, seems like he would've made a move by now
Football recruiting : Basketball recruiting
Apples : Oranges
It's more like
Apples : Lamp
Agreed. I was tryign to keep it simple on a Friday. Didn't want people saying: Lamp???? What does a lamp have to do with apples and recruiting??? They would have worried about it all night when they should be focused on drinking. They probably would have woken up tomorrow thinking about it. That would have detracted from their tailgating. That would have led to a bunch of questions about lamps and apples and recruiting. They probably would have forgotten to go into the stadium for the game. That would have looked bad on TV. Everyone would have been texting and googling recruiting:apples:lamp and it would have crashed the free WIFI day at the stadium. There would have been a revolt if that happens. People would have left. Michigan would have lost it's first game at home to....wait...Michigan would have pulled out a close win at home against Minnesota which would have caused internet rage that the team didn't cover the spread and we would have had 37 snowflake posts about what's wrong with Devin and the O-line for another week.
I'm really just doing my public service by keeping it simple.
I love lamp
Booker made it clear from the outset he was going to make a very careful decision, explore everything, etc. And he was being pulled in lots of directions. He may just sit down with his spreadsheet after this weekend and see where it points.
DJ Wilson recruit page for the uninitiated:
A lot of video posted there. I'm just a guy, but he seems fairly explosive/aggressive at the rim. Has range out to the 3-point line. Has to hit the training table and weights. Others are critical of lateral quickness/defense. I can see the upside there
Dang. clemson is not known for hoops
They have had a little history. Curtis Staples, Eldon Cambell, and Dale Davis come to mind. When you are in a conference with UNC, Duke, Wake, Maryland, & NC St it's easy to be forgotten. It doesn't mean there isn't some history. They also recently made the tournament. I believe Michigan beat them two years ago.
Don't forget Horace and Harvey Grant
Didn't Curtis go to UVA? He was a lights out shooter back in the day.
You are correct, I was thinking of Greg Buckner.
many spots are there remaining in the class?