Lack of Transfers A Good Thing
One thing I thought might be a downside to RR and the intensity of his workouts and practices would be more transfers from players that did not see a clear path to playing time. I must say I've been pleasantly surprised that since the initial wave of defectors it has been pretty quiet. We've loaded up at certain positions so some may be coming soon, but so far pretty quiet this year.
I would say that all of the defectors were mainly Lloyd guys. Who have we had that has left who RR solely recruited? The LB, whose name eludes me, is the only one that comes to mind.
Brandon Smith?
That's him. He was a RR recruit, right?
Pretty sure he was a Lloyd Boy.
That makes my point even stronger. Has there been a RR recruit who has transferred? I don't believe he's signed anyone who has left.
McGuffie?
Too...
And he left for personal reasons, not because of Richrod.
Taylor Hill.
He may have had eligibility issues, though.
I still wonder how much that some people in the AD are out to get RR...
Witherspoon had clearinghouse issues
Dorsey is now having issues
Justin Turner
etc
Essentially Michigan during the Carr days never really had that much of a program qualifying kids (except for Slocum and well... DUH). Yet when RR becomes the coach admissions is a bitch to get these kids in even though they are qualifying left and right to go to other schools.
Was that better?
You never disappoint me. +1
(I forget what that's from though so no video)
I didn't neg ya up there either, I was just joking.
Thanks. When I first saw it I was preparing for a serious dong punch to my soul.
"It's good when student-athletes don't transfer."
i think the post is a little obvious
So, you're saying that the several transfers in the last couple years might have only been from the normal attrition that comes with a new coach, and not because RR is course, immoral, angry, uncouth, and might speak with a slightly different accent?
Incredible...
(I do agree with the OP's premise, and I too am pleased that RR's recruits are excited about the program, despite the detractors. However, I doubt the lack of transfers this off season will be noticed by anyone in the media.)
That sage expert of all things college football.
Suggesting, in November of 2009, that the Denard Robinson transfer papers would be "expedited."
There are asses. And there are dumb-asses. Drew Sharpton is in that rarest of category, the "hateful dumb-ass."
Here's the Free Press link to Sharpton last November. Don't click on it if you'd rather not support the Freep.com hit-counter.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091117/COL08/911170325/U-M%5C-s-storm-of…
Drew Sharpton?
You're serious?
April 26th, 2010 at 10:11 PM ^
What's YOUR deal?
That type of intensity is the “new normal” in AA.
Credit RR and Barwis on a successful culture change.
I'm truly not trying to be a smart-ass here but I'm not sure that I get your point about a "successful culture change". What exactly is "successful" about 3-9 and 5-7? In my mind, nothing is a success until Michigan wins the Big Ten and beats OSU. That's the benchmark of success, not how much time guys spend in the weight room.
Do you want to be the one to tell Jake Long and Mike Hart that they weren't working hard enough in the weight room and that a cultural change has now successfully been transitioned?
to tell Long and Hart they were only half successful and in only one season at that? They shared a Big Ten championship once and never beat OSU.
April 27th, 2010 at 10:32 AM ^
Oh, I definitely don't think that Hart and Long had incredibly successful careers in terms of team goals. In fact, those four years were relatively disappointing as far as Big Ten championships, OSU games and bowl games go.
My point is that I think that it's ridiculous to say that there has been a "successful cultural change" regarding strength and conditioning when we've just seen the two worst Michigan teams in four decades. Isn't there some sort of irony in there?
Mike Hart, Jake Long, LaMarr Woodley, Shawn Crable, Braylon Edwards, David Harris, Cato June, Larry Foote, Dhani Jones, Charles Woodson....are just a few of the examples of players who might dispute that current players are putting in more meaningful work than they did.
unless they are transferring to you.
Also, is it any surprise that the country club players who had it super easy under Lloyd (I'm looking at you specifically Boren you lazy piece of shit) could all not handle the transition and the new incoming freshmen are all fine with it.
It's like trying to tell someone who is well off in Africa that comparatively they are actually very impoverished. They have no idea how impoverished that they are because they don't know any better. Our holdovers from the LC era are like impoverished people coming to America and seeing how impoverished they really are and the recruits are the people who never got to come here. (Hopefully this analogy didn't offend anyone but it was the best one I could come up with).
Howeva no transfers so far is encouraging?
I mean really, can we stop acting like Mike Gittleson and Lloyd Carr were bums? If the new practices and workouts are so much more effective and intense, then shouldn't our records show it? The transfers weren't because of some major intensity shift, it's what occurs with coaching changes. It's expected that the amount of transfers would have curtailed by the begining of the third year.
In the meantime, the only coach that has won a national championship in most (probably all) of our lifetimes was Lloyd Carr.
....and the only coach in the history of not only Michigan football but College football as a whole to ever lose to a DII team while being ranked in the top 10 is also Lloyd Carr.
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where Michigan lost to Grand Valley State?
Check your facts.
I'll take that trade-off every single time.
...that a dozen bowl games, nearly as many years in the top 25, and a national championship make up for a bad loss?
UNACCEPTABLE!!!1!!11
A "bad loss" was Oregon that year. A historic loss was Appy St.
April 26th, 2010 at 11:10 PM ^
that a loss to a team that was up to #2 in the country (until their quarterback's knee asploded) qualifies as a bad loss... especially with Mike Hart and Chad Henne injured.
We were at home, they put up 36 unanswered points, when Henne got injured we were already down 25...at the half, it was our worst home loss since 1968, their starting running back said it was funny going up against our defense because he was "looking at one of our D-lineman and was like, 'He's about to quit,'" and our 3rd string WR kicked an Oregon DB in the nuts on national TV. It was a bad loss.
They coexist and that's what makes the contrast so staggering. The 1997 squad played out of their minds every play, every game. For that 2007 team to come out so flatfooted...I'm sorry man, epically disappointing.
April 26th, 2010 at 11:06 PM ^
But I think 2007 had more to do with the incompetence of Ron English as DC. There's a reason he wasn't given serious consideration for the Head Coaching position..........
People make this mistake way too often.
D1AA (now FCS) != D2
I'm sorry, Div I FCS, not DII. But the point still stands. Unless I missed another FCS team defeating a top 10 FBS team.
I’m saying that the next level they are currently bringing to practice and the weight room will show up on Saturdays. Be patient it is coming very soon.
And I will say it again. Gittleson told players to eat pizza to get bigger. Our weight room was a joke... Our S&C program was a joke. It was a country club... Our players were soft in the last few years of the Lloyd era.
It all comes back to BM pleading Lloyd to stay longer. If he had left in 02 before Henne et al had come in then the transition would have been much smoother, instead recruiting lapsed and you saw it all over the field in those final few years.
Those are some mighty strong and incredible accusations from someone who has likely never been in a college weight room in their life.
Because that's just plain stupid...
What I don't get is this.. Before we got Barwis no former Michigan players would come back to train at Michigan. Now we have Barwis and a new weight room and people actually come back to their alma mater to train...
How do you explain that? Must just be because they liked RR/Barwis more... (Nope they never played for him).. Maybe it's because they are just cooler people and are more into the University.. Yeah that's gotta be it
Your point is tangential to the one that was made by the OP.
Last I checked the NCRB and the CCRB are on a college campus and thus have a weight-room... THEREFORE they are a college weight-room. If he meant college ATHLETICS weight-room then no I have not because I did not play a sport at Michigan...
I thought I answered his question pretty good hope that clarified it!
Wow, you showed your MCard at the door. Good for you.
The CCRB vs. Schembechler Hall... Hrm...