I'd take Ed Martin-Fab 5 scandal over PSU, MSU or OSU.
Meh. Not sure I like this.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
Once you’ve made the decision that laws, regulations and ethical standards for your sports program aren’t absolute, the difference between any of those scandals is only which one hits you first.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:39 PM ^
One is mainly money, the others involve actual victims being assaulted or sexually abused and then silenced or victim shamed. I’ll take the money one over the other 3...
The Ed Martin scandal happened more than 25 years ago. PSU was more recent but they have rehabbed nicely. MSU and OSU have yet to be fully punished for what is going on at their schools, so they have to be considered current.
I'm pretty sure that it was the consequences of the Ed Martin scandal are the reason we have the coaches that we do, and no scandals equivalent to what we've seen recently elsewhere in the B1G.
I'm not big on comparing piles of shit.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
I'll help you out. There's dogshit, horseshit, chickenshit and mother-fckin shit. Those are the main ones.
August 4th, 2018 at 12:59 AM ^
Bullshit
You forgot flyshit!
You truly think Ed Martin was a pile of shit? That seems a bit much.
Money laundering and an illegal gambling ring? Uh yeah, he was a pile of shit.
Don’t call it a “Fab 5” scandal. Only one of them was involved.
Yes. So dumb. Everyone makes it sound like the university and/or boosters bought all five of them when that could not be farther from the truth.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
They all got money at some point, Jalen admitted it on the documentary. To think it had no influence is foolish.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
If you want to go down that road, there probably hasn't been a college football or basketball player in the last 50 years who didn't get a freebee at some point.
There were four Michigan players implicated in the Ed Martin scandal, only one of whom was a Fab Five member (and his role was considerably more ambiguous than that of Taylor/Traylor/Bullock later on).
I had a few beers with a Fab 5 member not long ago and was told, basically, any BB program recruiting in the very deep waters is paying players.
Jalen Rose took money too,he just didnt lie in court about it
molestation and violence on an epic scale (MSU, OSU, PSU) v. one bad booster paying a player.
this should not give anyone cause to pause.
As much as the Fab Five era should ALWAYS be remembered as a tainted period in UM history, I'd definitely take it over the systematic abuse of women and children. Any day.
That being said, this is like the dudes in Cell Block D, all convicted of attempted murder, looking down on the actual murderers in Cell Block C.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:27 PM ^
As much as the Fab Five era should ALWAYS be remembered as a tainted period in UM history
No, it shouldn't. It was an awesome time and it's bullcrap that Webber got nailed for the fact that a shady guy befriended him when he was 11 years old. By the NCAA's own rules, Ed Martin should have been a "family friend."
August 4th, 2018 at 12:10 AM ^
Raising objection to this take, as per usual.
And I'll leave it at that.
Of course I think it's fair to say we all would.
But let's be honest - these offenses are not on the same ballpark. Hell it's not even the same sport.
Yeah - no
I have been following this board for many years and have never posted anything. Since I’m not allowed to post anything new, this is where I will put this.Ok here is what’s going on with the Urban situation behind closed doors at the moment. First, Urbans job is NOT in jeopardy. As of right now a 3 game suspension. The real issue is with Shelly , that’s where the investigation is really at. Urban is saying that if Shelly is let go he will resign. 3rd Notre Dame will buy out Kelly’s contract and hire Urban after this season. This is not Counter Strike and I can’t name drop as this site has been mentioned in main stream media before. I’m telling you guys right now that this is what is really going on. I live in Columbus and a good friend of mine is friends with football coaches uncle and works for a prominent Notre Dame QBs dad. This is what I’m told. So bust away.
If Urban's job is not in jeopardy, why would he go to Notre Dame?
OSU is a much better gig, and it is clear that they will let him run wild there.
Why go to Notre Dame where he will be under tighter scrutiny and not win games as easily?
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:02 PM ^
Notre Dame is his second dream job. As I said, if they fire his wife he is out.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
What's in it for Notre Dame?
We like to bash them, but to be fair, they've made some decisions and directions on the academic side of things that work to the disadvantage of football from the days when Holtz was there and could get whomever he wanted.
But they made them anyway. They are not just giving lip service to the academic side of the house.
Why would they take on a tainted Urban Meyer (and he will be after this, no matter how lightly he gets off at OSU) and backslide on everything they've stood for?
They have not been "win at all costs" like OSU, now they are going to go down that road?
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:05 PM ^
You know....those are great points you make,and I don’t think anybody can answer them but Notre Dame,if what I’m told is true. My answer would be,it’s Urban Meyer....and we all know what you get with him.Championships! Is he really going to be that tainted? He didn’t beat anybody. I’m not saying covering up DV is right by any means either. I just think if he resigns because his wife was fired and he is somehow cleared of this stuff that people will still want his services. Just my opinion.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:48 PM ^
I think you need to clean your keyboard. Your period key appears to be stuck and your space bar works only intermittently.
Shelley Meyer is mandated by statute to report abuse as a licensed nurse. How she can maintain employment by OSU and her license has not been brought up in any of the news coverage.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^
Just one more question...if you gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
interesting and plausible take. if you made it up (i don't think you did, not that you care) it is very creative and not out of the realm of possibility. shelly is a mandatory reporter and should absolutely be canned. fairly certain it requires an oral report immediately, and a written report within 72 hrs. swing and a miss on her part.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:08 PM ^
I have been a Michigan fan my whole life. I am 47 years old and my dad was one of those buckeye fans that we all hate. That’s what drove me to Michigan and also the baddest helmet in all of football.My point is I want to name drop so bad because of my hatred for OSU, but I just can’t. Trust me, my info is from big time people from OSU and NOTRE DAME.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:34 PM ^
That's all great, but you do realize nobody cares about your opinion if you aren't willing to give any actual proof, right? You very well could have actual sources. Props to you if you're right, but to me you basically said nothing. I've heard similar things stating the exact opposite of what you claim. What's your goal in this? Your excuse is that MGoBlog is too mainstream so you can't call out your sources even though you're an anonymous person on a Michigan blog? Doesn't make sense. I'm glad you don't post more.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^
I really don’t give a shit about your opinion. And I have no goal! I was just sharing what I’m hearing from a good source to other Michigan followers on a Michigan fans board. I could care less about your props if I’m right or wrong. I just don’t feel the need to name drop rather you like it or not.
August 3rd, 2018 at 10:21 PM ^
Oh...and I forgot to add that they are going to start digging in Courtney’s closet. Basically a smear campaign.
No, it's not remotely plausible. Maybe it's fun to read, but I wouldn't confuse the two.
Look at this preposterous timeline. OSU puts Meyer on leave and announces an investigation. Within a day or so the powers to be at Notre Dame get together. They agree that if the scandal is bad enough for OSU to let Meyer go, they will dump Kelly and hire Urban. Then they let this leak out to our one anonymous poster (with a negative balance, no less).
Anything said about OSU is not so ridiculously implausible, but how can anyone believe half of the story? You either believe he has highly placed sources at ND AND OSU that are leaking sensitive inside info to him or you don't. He's proven to be someone who clearly wouldn't merit their trust, by the way.
To be fair, it looks like he got his negative balance from posting this rumor.... or are point balances not fixed yet:(
I'd take more credibility in the fact that he is a 3+ year lurker who hasn't posted until now, then the fact that the board did what it does, which is downvote rumors from someone's neighbor's cousin's friend who has a sister twice removed who knows a coach on staff. That being said, yeah, it's just a rumor.
So they've been spinning for the past 2 days that Shelly was not a mandatory reporter, maybe to get the court of public opinion on their side.
However I'd say it's not really something they can fudge, push come to shove. It's for that reason that I could actually see him having a hissy fit about leaving if they fire his wife.
I could also see ND being interested in Urban... and all of his baggage. That said, even if your rumor is true it's possibly just posturing on his part, these things often are. I'm sure the NFL has a team or two who's owner is looking that way right now, especially if Urban does end up quitting presumably because his wife is fired.
If OSU is aware of all of this, (because they still want him), they might keep his investigation open when they close hers... saying, look, if you leave, well, we are still investigating, and it looks like you might be guilty of enabling domestic violence of both coaches and players.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:02 PM ^
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read. Does it excite you to troll and pretend to be an insider? Your facade is transparent, I’m embarrassed I bothered to reply.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
lighten up. even if its pure fiction, its good fiction. relax.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
You don’t think it’s weird that Shelly a staff member hasn’t been fired yet? With evidence she knew everything about the abuse! Not reporting it? Anybody else would have been terminated immediately...Zach??? Does it makes sense to you yet? Some of you people on here need to calm down.
August 3rd, 2018 at 11:32 PM ^
Looks like another of Mineral King's accounts.
Shelley Meyer isn't a mandatory reporter. Urban is. Not to the police: to the Title IX coordinator. If there wasn't a Title IX investigation in 2015, then Urban didn't tell them and he's gone. If there was, then he told them, and he's in the clear. Three game suspensions wouldn't be in the cards because there's no half-way between He Reported and He Didn't Report.
Shelley was acting as a private citizen in all of this. Urban could not be, per his contract.
pretty sure shelley is a mandatory reporter: she is a nurse in the employ of the university. mandatory reporting requirements don't just kick in from 9-5, they are all the time. nurses are the front line of reporters for obvious reasons.
Calm down?
We can't----someone has been sabotaging our food supplies with that nervous bird, chicken
The optics are bad but she wasn't required to report.
August 4th, 2018 at 12:09 AM ^
I think you're either full of it or gullible as hell.
This has gone on for a day and ND has already decided to fire Kelly and hire Meyer without knowing any details of what went on. That's beyond preposterous.
Your OSU story doesn't make much sense either, but why pick it apart when you are peddling such obvious nonsense?
Either you are making this up or your sources are vastly overstating their confidence in what they claim to have heard. Urban's fate is in the hands of the OSU president now. So you know both what the OSU president will do AND what the Notre Dame AD will do, when Notre Dame does not even know the full extent of this scandal? Preposterous. It doesn't pass the most foregiving of smell tests.
Gotta be honest . . . it makes it kind of hard to look down our noses at the SEC's paying players (how quaint) when the Big Ten East seems to have become the capital of sexual abuse predators and systematic institutional denial.
Oh for a good old fashioned Cam Newton scandal.