How similar is our offense to the Lions?

Submitted by UMfan21 on August 31st, 2023 at 11:54 AM

Honest question.  I haven't watch a lot of Lions Xs and Ox breakdown.  But I have Lions fever this year and after watching this video I feel like we are pretty similar:
 

  • Lions and Harbaugh both buck the trend of spread/passing offense by using a dominating Oline and a powerful running game
  • Both rely on QBs under center
  • Both tend to favor short/intermediate passing game with multiple TEs as targets.
  • Both use multiple blocking schemes (Power, IZ, OZ, etc) to confuse defenses keys.

 

Sorry if this is dumb, but again I'm not an avid view of Lions football.  I'm curious more if our coaches are learning from what Ben Johnson is doing to the NFL.

 

 

Seth

August 31st, 2023 at 12:07 PM ^

Lions offense is more of a 90s throwback. There's plenty of overlap, but the offense that Michigan uses is (by design) most like that of the Ravens.

Blue@LSU

August 31st, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^

I'm digging the new helmet sticker next to your name, Seth. Traditionalists are probably going to argue that it ruins the clean look of the avatar, but I'm a fan.

Will you get one of those after every UFR? Also, maybe the Mods can get one for every troll they send to Bolivia.  

BTB grad

August 31st, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

Yeah, you can see it in the formations as they’re pretty different. Lions used the least shotgun in the league at 51% and were under center 49% of the time. Michigan went under center at times with JJ last season, but it was way less than 49% of the time. Ben Johnson came up under disciples of the West Coast, generally a pass first scheme, in his time with the Dolphins; hence why the Lions throw the ball a hell of a lot more than Michigan does.

chrisu

August 31st, 2023 at 12:16 PM ^

Not dumb at all. The parallels between the success at UM and in Detroit has been fun to watch, at time, eerily similar. I mean, play design is a bit different, but the trend of similarities in success are there, ie good QB play, good OL play, improved skill positions, and improved coaching.

Don

August 31st, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^

But I have Lions fever this year

Take 2 tylenol and go to bed. Get plenty of fluids, and if the fever persists see your physician.

Rather be on BA

August 31st, 2023 at 12:56 PM ^

There may be some similarities but I would say from a play-calling standpoint I found myself at multiple times last year thinking:

"I wish Michigan's play-calling was more like Ben Johnson's"

While watching Michigan, while improved last year a little bit, there was still a lot of baffling play-calling.  Ben Johnson's play-calling last year on the other-hand was masterful.

Rather be on BA

August 31st, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

I mean, the play-calling has been the subject of more than a little bit of talk, with people even questioning the efficacy of the whole Co-OC thing we had going on... I am hoping this year will be better.  I realize fans are often hyper-critical of their teams play-calling, but Michigan's has been particularly funky at times over the last couple of years especially on 3rd down and redzone situations.. at least in my humble fan opinion.  It got better last year I think largely because they were so often in easy 3rd and short situations.

Watching the Lions last year, and seeing Ben Johnson call plays was the most impressed I have felt watching my teams (Lions and UofM) call plays in my 33 years of life lol.

Tex_Ind_Blue

August 31st, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^

  • Lions and Harbaugh both buck the trend of spread/passing offense by using a dominating Oline and a powerful running game

--- I don't get this line of thinking (or argument). If your OL is sub-par, no amount of scheming is going to get sustained success. A powerful running game NEEDS a competent OL. A spread attack NEEDS a competent OL. A passing offense NEEDS a competent OL. Harbaugh is not doing something radical or going against the grain. A dominating OL is a must for any sustained success. 

 

Rant over. Back to work.

JonnyHintz

August 31st, 2023 at 7:38 PM ^

  • Both rely on QBs under center
     

I don’t have the stat handy, but l don’t think this is really true. Michigan has gone very heavily towards the shotgun. Probably close to exclusively shotgun with the exception of short yardage situations.