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The hole at center and possible solutions?

After a week of whiffing on recruits and looking over our current OL depth and incoming recruits, the void at C is looking more and more like a huge issue. We should be fine this year with Khoury and Miller, but after that, we will be seriously hurting for depth at this very crucial position. Losing guys like Pace to injury and Stacey to a decommitment could really hurt down the road. My question here is, do any of our current OL commits have a chance of being a possibility for the C position down the road? It is pretty clear that Kalis is set to be a LG for 3-4 years and Braden is looking like a T, as would Diamond if he were to commit. I know Magnuson played all 5 positions at the Army game, but I didn't really see a breakdown of how well he played them, especially center. Also, is Blake Bars definitely a RT or G down the line, or at 6'5" could he possibly be a fill in for center as well? Since his commitment, I haven't heard much about him. Any thoughts or insight on Bars or Magnuson playing C?

 

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 PM | Wasn't Jack Miller supposed (Score:2 Informative)
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Wasn't Jack Miller supposed to try to fill Molk's shoes?

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:29 PM | It seems that this has been (Score:2 Normal)
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It seems that this has been convered on multiple threads now.

-Those who stay will be champions-

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:29 PM | Yesterday (Score:2 Normal)
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This exact question was posted yesterday.

We'll find somebody to play backup center behind Miller in 2 years.   It'll be ok.

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:29 PM | It will be either Miller, (Score:2)
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It will be either Miller, Barnum, or Khoury.

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 PM | here: (Score:2 Normal)
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http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/fb-depth-chart-center

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:36 PM | I thought that thread was (Score:3 Normal)
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I thought that thread was about the center of our facebook depth chart.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:15 PM | No, it was about John (Score:2)
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No, it was about John McColgan filling in at the 5 for Jordan Morgan in Sunday's game against MSU.

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:34 PM | That makes more sense. (Score:2)
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That makes more sense.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:36 PM | people sure are post happy (Score:1)
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people sure are post happy lately

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:37 PM | Khoury (Score:1)
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In today's detnews.com live chat with Sam Webb, somebody asked Sam about this and his answer mentioned various players, including Khoury.  But his mention of Khoury was followed by the parenthetical "(if he comes back)."   I'm not sure whether the possibility of Khoury not returning has been on the radar for others, but this is first I have heard of it.  

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:53 PM | It has definitely been (Score:4 Normal)
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It has definitely been mentioned before that Khoury might not come back.  Someone posted on the board that they were family friends with Rocko and his family implied it was unlikely he'd return for a 5th year, but take that with a grain of salt. 

I don't know if anything has been determined, but that is not a new possibility.

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January 31st, 2012 at 2:57 PM | Most coaches like to have all (Score:3 Normal)
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Most coaches like to have all of their interior linemen know how to snap and play center. It allows for flexibility in the case your starting center goes down. Any and all interior linemen are candidates to play center. It's all about who can grow into the position, and who has the intelligence to make line reads. That's something for the coaches to decide. 

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:01 PM | I bet all those people who (Score:0 Flamebait)
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I bet all those people who felt a little giddy at the prospects of replacing Stacey with dreams of Garnette, Kozan, and Diamond feel a little stupid. I think we get Diamond, but he isn't a center

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:03 PM | Doesn't matter (Score:1)
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This year you will have Barnum start with Miller backing him up.  Then when next year hits you will recruit and get a C.  I could see if your options were all seniors this year it being a problem.  Plus I think you would want a kid to come in with Shane Morris so they build a rapport together.

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:09 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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January 31st, 2012 at 3:19 PM | Doesn't matter (Score:2)
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As long as Goring is the center and not Goebbles.  I was so upset when he muffed those snaps at the beginning of the Sugar Bowl.

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:16 PM | Don't count out (Score:2)
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Dileo.

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:18 PM | What I don't get (Score:1)
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Is that none of the guys we were recruiting projected at center.. So us whiffing out on those guys really doesn't make sense about this up roar

He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best.  Is that what Michigan is all about?  You do the best, you get the job.  This MM meme is crap.

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January 31st, 2012 at 4:17 PM | droid (Score:1)
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Caleb Stacey...

ALL ABOARD THE A-TRAIN!!!!!

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:32 PM | I bet Jareth Glanda wins the (Score:4 Normal)
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I bet Jareth Glanda wins the job. When is the last time we had a Center who could catch the ball like Jareth.

 

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January 31st, 2012 at 7:06 PM | that's nothing (Score:3 Normal)
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did you see those hands? He could be our answer at WR!

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January 31st, 2012 at 3:56 PM | It's not a hole at Center, (Score:2)
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It's not a hole at Center, but rather a thin layer on the ground that if stepped on forcefully enough would collapse and reveal a hole.

Please rework your thread title accordingly.

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January 31st, 2012 at 4:19 PM | Hahaha "hole at center..any (Score:1)
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Hahaha "hole at center..any solutions?" thats what she said

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January 31st, 2012 at 9:17 PM | Well played sir... (Score:2)
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I love the "twss" jokes. Can't believe I missed that one

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January 31st, 2012 at 4:26 PM | There is no gaping whole (Score:2)
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Depth Chart for 2012 Season:

Barnum, Miller, 5th Year Khoury (?).  If Khoury stays this is fine.  If he doesn't, it is no worse than last year.  If Molk and Khoury both went down, I'd assume we'd have moved Barnum as opposed to starting Miller.  Even if we had a true freshman G this year, I assume we move a Guard before starting said true freshman.  The idea of a true freshman handling every snap is not a pleasant on.  So really this past year we were two deep, because by the time Miller took the field doom would have already come to the offensive line depth chart.

For 2013:

Miller, Converted Guard, True freshman (see above comment about starting a true freshman at C vs sliding an upperclassman guard in).  

For 2014:

Coverted Guard, Sophmore, True freshman

I think the big thing right now is getting Diamond.  If we take Diamond we're looking at 2 OG (Kalis/Bars) and 3 OT (Diamond, Magnuson, Braden).  This allows an OG to move to Center (like Barnum did) and one of the OTs to move to Guard.  While this is not ideal, both Kalis and Bars are 6' 5" (one inch taller than the average NFL center).  They're not so big it would be a nightmare to have them play the spot.  

Failing to get Diamond I think the proper thing to do is get a project center (go find some 3* a MAC team with a talent for developing lineman has offered and poach him).  Then in the above replace "Converted Guard" with "Project Center".  It makes 2014 a little uncomfortable, but not the worst thing ever.  

Basically if we sign 5 lineman, I'm not panicking even if we don't have a prototypical center.  

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January 31st, 2012 at 7:20 PM | Miller will be a RS freshman (Score:1)
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Miller will be a RS freshman this upcoming season (2012). Thus, he will be around in 2014 barring something out of the ordinary (transfer, injury, etc.)

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January 31st, 2012 at 5:25 PM | I like Barnum moving to C (Score:1)
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I like Barnum moving to C with C. Bryant filling in at guard for next season. For the future i'd be willing to bet that Blake Bars is our next center with kalis and braden being maulers at guard and magnuson and hopefully diamond at the tackle spots. Hard to predict though maybe we bring in a few stud OL in the 2013 class.

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January 31st, 2012 at 7:22 PM | Braden is a T. He could (Score:1)
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Braden is a T. He could potentially play G, but I wouldn't bank on it, especially considering Bryant is only one year of eligibility ahead of this class. Time will tell.

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January 31st, 2012 at 5:35 PM | Kovacs at center (Score:1)
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Kovacs at center, if this was 1952, would be the option!!

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January 31st, 2012 at 7:51 PM | there's a hole (Score:1)
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there's a hole in the bottom of the sea.

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January 31st, 2012 at 8:03 PM | I thought McGary was going to (Score:1)
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I thought McGary was going to fill our hole at center....

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