Eh, I found nothing wrong with what he said or how. Pretty much what you would expect, or want, your coach to say; complimentary and non-comment-ive.
Hoke on Tressel
I agree. That is about what I expected him to say as well. You can argue that it was "unrehearsed" but he had to know as the Michgan Football coach that he would be answering that question at some point (and probably often in the future.) I thought the comment was fine.
A solid "no comment" would have sufficed or, in a pinch, "I'm just here to talk about these great young men here at Michigan".
Why comment on an ongoing investigation, and one that does not involve Michigan in any way, shape or form? No good can come of it.
He was complimentary of Tressel, said he doesn't know the situation and that he's focused on Michigan. Did you read the article and quotes? A perfectly fine response. C'mon people.
Short answer: Say "no comment" and move on. That's how its done professionally. No need to say more.
"No comment" strikes me as being evasive. Hoke - I would hope - has nothing to hide here.
What he said showed respect and was essentially coach speak for "no comment" anyway. He focused it back on Michigan.
"No comment" when asked about the charges against Rich Rod, rather than coming to his defense?
Yes, that is exactly what I would expect of Tressel in that situation. Thanks for asking the question even though I'm sure you did not expect me to answer in the affirmative.
That you'd (now) rather that he threw Rich under the bus by making it look shady with a "no comment" than say "geeze, everyone could get in trouble for that". And if that's what he had said then, there would have been a lot of screaming about Tressel making Rich look bad over the Freep BS. Maybe not you. Maybe.
I don't see how saying "no comment" makes it somehow look shady. Maybe people are too sensitive? Would it be better to say: "I choose not to discuss those matters that do not concern our program" ? Either way, same result. No reason to discuss someone else's program, especially not when there are serious charges pending. Its akin to someone discussing someone else's criminal charges. No good can come of it. And, for the record, Rodriguez did not need Tressel's support in my opinion.
I agree, he just should have said he didn't know the specifics and doesn't want to comment on it...but still I find it much ado about nothing
If you're expecting Hoke to say anything remotely negative here about Tressel, that's not going to happen. That would make him look very petty. And honestly, as a football coach, Hoke is probably well aware that this kind of stuff can easily go on anywhere.
Which is why they should've asked Dantonio.
I'm also hoping Hoke doesn't think this can go on anywhere. This is just Tressel being a scumbag. I doubt Hoke is the same way.
Other than apparently lying about when he found out, the actual violations in question (free tattoos, sold gold pants, etc.) can very easily go on anywhere. When you have cash-strapped players in a community that idolizes them and wants to do them favors, it's very easily for NCAA violations to occur, no matter how well-intentioned the coach is.
They can; no argument. But we're not talking about free benefits, we're talking about an organized coverup by a highly paid athletic department official who admittedly knew better. As a head coach, he should have more integrity than this, and the fact is he doesn't.
I don't see anything in Brady Hoke's past as shady as Tressel's, so I'm hopeful that Hoke would do the right thing.
Yes, it's the lie that may end up getting OSU killed. But I think college athletics are a lot dirtier than people think, and that it's likely that the average coach does sweep the occasional violation under the rug, because there are just so many rules and it's so easy for some of them to be broken. Coaches are in a tough position, having to constantly keep vigilant, and I think they can sympathize with their colleagues when the nearly inevitable violations come to light.
There are, but if I was Tressel, the second I heard Pryor's name associated with possible violations in such specific terms, I don't think it's a moral gray area.
I could email Hoke right now and tell him that Denard and Roundtree are both being paid a million dollars a season to play, and I wouldn't expect him to follow it up. If I told him that I saw player a rack up a $1,500 bar tab at place x, y, and z on the night of the MSU win, which was then paid for by booster b, I would absolutely expect him to do something, or tell someone.
Tressel lied about major violations, and not just major in name. I think he deserves a very harsh penalty for just how unethical his actions were.
He is no doubt beside himself with grief over his mentor JT and would like to spin it to thwart there common enemy…
summery=Dantonio is a douche
"If you're expecting Hoke to say anything remotely negative here about Tressel, that's not going to happen."
Where did you get that idea? Seriously, where? I must have required a leap of faith.
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For the record, I very much agree that saying something negative would be poor form.
Where did he get that idea? Because he assumes Hoke isn't an idiot. Unpolished maybe, but I would hope that he's been around long enough to know not to come out and say negative things about Tressel at this point (or even later on, if OSU gets hammered by the NCAA).
GB in TX, I was wondering why he thought *I* would think that.
Just to clarify ... I didn't see anything in my original post that hinted at that type of assumption (that Hoke would ever trash JT).
Ah, gotcha. Sorry, that makes more sense.
I'm just curious . . . what did you expect him to say?
I haven't seen enough of him to set expectations, but I'm not surprised at how he handled it.
Seriously, I realize that he won't be judged, ever, too harshly on incidents like this (except by me). If he brings prosperity to the program I'll be happy.
If Hoke is considered unpolished, which he is, I certainly wouldn't call Tressel's speech poetic by any stretch. Also everytime I see Gee I want to give DB a hug. While I am at it, Pryor has the same effect when it comes to Denard. It's great to be blue again.
Campbell is back at DT!
Tressel is a popular man on this blog...why? I have no clue..
I may be in the minority, but I think he is a good guy. I have to run b/c I'm at work and don't have much time to get into why - he helped the grandson of a co-worker. Suffice it to say that there are reasons for people to respect him despite the fact that we want to beat him on the field more than anything.
I think we could find many examples where coaches use their position to do good when they have a chance. Kudos to them--scores of families and individuals and communities are the better for their actions. Whether it's calling on sick kids or giving signed footballs to nonprofit fundraisers, coaches help out and give back a ton. I'm glad Tressel is one of them, and I respect him for that.
I am sure I will feel a little more conflicted about this mess if I was told more about the times when he's been generous. But it's not going to outweigh (what may turn out to be) a serious lapse in judgment, or any wrongdoing.
If people on this blog agreeing that Hoke said the right things make Tressel popular on this blog, then so be it. If you think we should give Hoke crap about not saying negative things about Tressel, then you have no clue how a head coach should act.
What are you talking about? I was referring to how many Tressel 'threads' there are...he's becoming a very popular man on this blog..
What Hoke said was fine.
My bad, I thought you were saying that Hoke should have said more about the situation.
To be honest he is really popular person not only on this blog, but the internet in general.
While Tiger Woods was very popular in the sports world before his infidelities were revealed in 2009, it wasn't until afterwards that people outside the sports world were really talking about him.
He didn't comment on the situation at all, really. Seems like a fine reaction to me.
I've been meaning to ask, how does one become toastmaster general and what does the job entail? I think I'd be pretty good at it.
Give us your best shot after we beat Illinois, I think the board can tell you if you're qualified or not.
Uh oh, I'll be traveling Friday. That probably doesn't bode well for my application.
Instead, please take into consideration my most recent best man toast.*
*NOTE: Not actually me and not a real best man toast.
That was awesome. "Top half, probably...but that's only because of her relative youth..."
Toastmaster general? That's hilarious. Seems that he did actually say that, though:
Yes, it's probably true that Brandon won't be too concerned with the specifics here, but it's hard to imagine Urban Meyer / Nick Saban (ethics aside ... ethics aside) speaking that way.
Outstanding ... thanks.
I imagine Brandon feels just fine reading the following quotes from Hoke;
"He's a good man, and I have a lot of respect for him, and they'll fight through that situation, and it will have no effects on the rivalry," Hoke said today during a meet-and-greet luncheon with his coaching staff.
"I've known Jim Tressel a long time. He's a quality guy, a doggone good football coach, and I don't know that situation," Hoke said. "I know what we're focused on at Michigan."
That's essentially coach speak for 'no comment.' Any of 1000 coaches in D1 (if there were so many!) could have said that.
The fact that you, Jasper, find this 'unpolished' or in some way objectionable clearly says more about your opinion of Hoke than anything.
and not bash any one particular person of your rivalry. To me it's just fine to say you hate OSU but don't jump on one guy and pile on. I'm not gonna look to far into the fact he said Tressel was a good man and not just a good coach because that might just be his standard complement to someone. I would have liked to have seen maybe a back-handed complement to Boren's "not a family" comment about us. Could be something along the lines of "I think Tressel is a good man but I hope with the drug trafficing investigations and a coach asked to keep silent about any situations that may arise, that the parents of the players feel good about the state of affairs at the university."
Classy response by Hoke.
As shocking as it may be, Tressel is a good man. He made a mistake. It happens. He'll pay a price. Hopefully he'll learn from it.
Personal contact with him. Other people's stories about things he has done. Contact he has had with my family, etc..
Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about what Brady Hoke says about Jim Tressel, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the Afghanistan situation, Canada, or Alzheimer's research. He's a football coach, and hopefully he's a good one. If he can raise a little bit of money for Mott Children's Hospital and do a few other good deeds on the side, then good for him.
Let's not put the head football coach on a pedestal where he has to be a spokesman for his counterparts, the world, etc. He's not running for President.
In a perfect world that would be the case.
the words "Ohio" and "State" have still never come out of his mouth. +1 Coach Hoke!
Hey, remember when Tressel came out and supported Michigan after the Freep story broke? Like it or not, most coaches likely have a lot of respect and might even be friends with each other, no matter what schools they coach for. In another world, Hoke and Tressel might have been working on the same staff and good friends.
Of course, this doesn't apply to Saban. I don't know if any other coach in the world could stand him.
And you just beat me to making this post. Tressel was very generous to our cause when the ink was still wet on the 8/30/09 Sunday Free Press. And I am not going go forget that. I respect Jim Tressel. (Tim Brewster of Minnesota was the other guy who spoke up.)
"No comment" would have been a stupid and churlish thing for Hoke to say. I think Hoke handled this just right.
To ignore that the Vest didn't throw us under the bus, then turn around and do it to him. Give him a compliment, benefit of the doubt, but then don't say anything that might get proven wrong if they get hammered. Brady handled it perfectly. It's "our" job to trash Tressel, not his.
Are you kidding me? I seriously think he said everything correct. He doesn't know the situation so he didn't talk about it. (No one really knows except tressel and gang) All he said was that he is a good coach, which is very true.
That was pretty tame. If anything, I thought it was basically an extended no comment, and a little bit of support for a fellow coach. Why should Brandon think anything about this? What did you want him to say?
I'm in the minority, perhaps, but I think Hoke should seize the day. He shouldn't comment on the details, of course. And he shouldn't personalize it or go overboard. But I'd be thrilled if he took a subtle dig at OSU. Reference Gee's idiotic comment or somesuch. Make a little splash.
This is an awful awful idea.
I'm still waiting for a picture of Brady Hoke on top of Jim Tressel (ie, Hoke on Tressel).
The hideousness of that [foot] thought will haunt my dreams forever.
Wish I knew how to cross out text...
Did anyone really expect Hoke to say otherwise? That's pretty much what you should say to the press in this situation, regardless of how you might feel deep within. Why get yourself in hot water? Watch Tressel simmer from afar.
Hoke is on the precipice of saying something really bone-headed. Something that would get him in trouble with the media. While I don't think this instance is it, I think he needs to improve his public speaking. He by no means needs to be a classic orator, but something better than what he exhibits now.
I think too many people on this board undermine the importance and good media etiquette. I was thinking last night how bad JT was with the media - imagine if were BH up there in front of all those media vultures. Yikes!
I wouldn't expect Hoke to say anything bone-headed while running a clean program. If he does something against the rules he may not be skilled at talking his way out of it. I expect him to run a clean program and hold everyone accountable. If he fails to do that, then yes, he may say something bone-headed. Other than that he seems like an upfront guy.
....but I a more concerned with how he handles himself after a tough loss. I'm sure we are going to have our fair share of those (probably more than most in the next couple years).
I am of a different opinion. I believe off-the-cuff statements are much safer than carefully calculated statements. They are usually more truthful, and are rarely dissected to the Nth degree. A polished speaker is polished for a reason. They are full of horsedung and they have to carefully craft their words to seem otherwise, and those carefully crafted words are deconstructed until the break of dawn. In this chaotic world full of unseemly pretzels and chainsaw lightswitches, good media etiquette is a devil's party, and Hoke's spontaneity is the sign of championship thighs. He obviously defeats those earthworms with his words. Keep talking with your heart, coach.
Step back from the precipice and take a look at your writing. Bonehead is as bonehead does.
...what is so bone-headed about my writing? I'm looking for tips to improve. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
You should edit your writing. See a few suggestions, below.
Hoke is on the precipice of saying something really bone-headed [cliche, becomes mixed metaphor ] [Something --cut and continue with "that"] that would get him in trouble with the media. While I don't think this instance is it [what does "it" refer to? something? or, "that would get him in trouble"?] , I think he needs to improve his public speaking. He by no means needs to be[come] a classic orator, but he needs to improve.
something better than what he exhibits now.[cut this wordy phrase]
I think too many people on this board underestimate
undermine the importance and [cut this wordy phrase]
good media etiquette. I was thinking[do you mean you were thinking last night about JT,or do you mean that JT handled the media badly last night? ] last night how badly JT handled the media. -[Can you] imagine if [it] were BH [standing]
up there in front of all [cut this wordy phrase]
before those media vultures. Yikes!
I mean. Thank you for correcting my colloquial style of writing. I should know better than to write in this style on a blog.
let's face it, no one's going to be coming to Brady Hoke for brainy or cogent observations on such subjects EVER. If he succeeds it will be as the uncomplicated and utterly unegotesticle beloved and inspirational (etcetera) leader of our gritty gridiron squad(s). Thoughtful members of the jury are still out, and may be for some time. . .
I know someone else no one is coming to for brainy comments...
Though it does sound painful.
take in, my tired friend. When Brady Hoke utters anything but a cliche, the heavens will crack open and serpents pour forth from them. Even the people who are geeked on him understand that.
Is that you?
As I recall, Tressel referred to Rich Rod as a good coach in his public statements and did not pile on with the Freepsters over stretching gate.
I think Tressel`s in trouble, deservedly, for lying to the media, hiding information from his AD and from the NCAA, and I hope that the NCAA holds him to a much stricter account than has his school. Brady Hoke, however, handled the question as a fellow coach should handle it. He expressed respect for Tressel and declined to comment on the the situation. I'm fine with that.
what Hoke said, which strikes me as perfect. Absolutely perfect. I would have remembered no comment. This one, nope, can't recall.
It is Brady Hoke's job to not give any school, especially TSIO, any bulletin board material. Since every reporter except Angelique is always trying to elicit controversy in every interview, this is no small feat.
This was a great job by Hoke and I expect to see more of the same in the future. While Hoke is very media-friendly, and the media have treated him very well so far, don't think for a second that he doesn't know how fast the media will take controversy and run with it, often creating it out of thin air if there isn't any.
There will be no Dantonio-isms coming out of Ann Arbor.
- He is aware of the basketball team's bubble status
- A shady character is head of the selection committee
"They'll get through it, but I have never experienced this problem myself."
Until the guy starts getting crushed by our conference on a consistent basis, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I get the impression that pro-RRs are saying "what the hell??? why would RR have been ripped for something like this and Hoke gets a free pass?" Answer: The dude hasn't even played a game yet and has done everything else as well as possible. If he puts out a mediocre product for 3 years, he will be more closely scrutinized for these things.
I don't think RR would have been criticized for saying this. (Not everything he did got him flack.) Heck, he largely said the same thing this morning.
We have our own dag-gone Bill Stewart. (Sorry, reading the article yesterday about WVU and Dana Holgorsen made me a sad panda again.)